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Originally Posted by aquaadverse
Nope. There are many similarities, mishandling of an unpopular war, trampling of constitutional rights etc...He didn't have to use his name.
Saying Watergate, the Saturday Night Massacre, his very new practice of taping conversation etc....had little to do with Carter getting elected is wrong. I voted in that election and remember it well. People didn't vote for Carter as much as they showed disgust with the actions of the Nixon administration. He continually hammered on scandals, broken faith. Ford pardoning Nixon sealed a loss. Saying he got elected because of a general campaign against the Washington establishment is ludicrous.
The fact that he didn't want to seem unpresidential by savaging Nixon and his staff directly doesn't change the fact it didn't require mastery of nuance and the fine points of subtle inference to know what he was referring to with a reference of mishandling a tragic and wasteful war, loss of trust because of secrecy and scandal, and people in high office feeling above the law.
http://www.observer.com/2008/turning-obama-jimmy-carter
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the obama campaign had no "nuance" nor "innuendo". obama ran against bush and the bush republican party.
carter ran against the washington establishment, and ran against his own party's establishment. that focus alienated the rest of the democrat party and all but doomed the carter presidency all on its own.
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I'm saying if the events of September had happened at the end of October or July Obama might have lost. The race was a statistical dead heat with McCain making up ground after the DNC. If the big crash that saw Lehman Brothers going under and the huge drops in the market had occurred after the election instead of the end of September it would have been closer. Obama got a break when the issue bitched slapped the public and the time frame was perfect for him. He got to point the finger of blame without needing to float a solution.
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the economy aided obama, and if mccain had any credibility with the public on his economic credentials it would not have benefitted obama as much.
as mccain didn't have any economic cred, I'm not sure that the timing of the recession would have ever been a positive for mccain.
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Pelosi is invisible because the bill is done.
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but you said that "pelosi is taking most of the heat", now you're agreeing that she is invisible. a bit contradictory there...
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Obama is still trying to appear a centrist and a uniter. Pelosi was styling herself as the keeper of change. This is not a new strategy and there are many examples in our history with different parties in power.
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but didn't you just agree that pelosi is invisible? talk about inconsistency...yikes.
and? photographers complaining is somehow confirmation of your assertion that "obama has no contact with the press"???? you have got to be joking, right?
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He hasn't made any meaningful explanation that ties this huge round of back loaded deficit spending to a recovery. He talks about making federal building energy efficient and replacing the Federal Fleet with hybrids because it's difficult to argue against it. He didn't address the subject of housing in detail because he didn't want to preempt his Treasury Secretary press conference two days later. He continues to toss out slogans about 4 million jobs and other highly generalized comments because he doesn't want follow ups. Try to find any widely distributed comments by him addressing the lack of positive reaction by the financial sector to his strategy. Try to find any widely distributed comments about his seeming inability to find senior staff without tax issues. Try to find comments by him justifying waivers clearing people with lobbyist ties to serve on his staff.
I'm not really slamming him over it. It's a smart strategy and it obviously works.
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easy to refute.
obama press conference feb 9
obama interview on al arabiya
obama interview with nyt
interview on air force one
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He remains popular because a large chunk of our population are unable to name any of his cabinet besides Hillary and Biden and probably couldn't find Afghanistan on a map if their lives depended on it. Millions buy boy band and Hanna Montana music and concert tickets but it hardly means it's because they have demonstrated great depth in interviews.
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yeah, those same circumstances didn't exist for bush...wait, they did!....and boy it really helped his popularity, didn't it?
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There is a difference between exposure and access. He is very intelligent and media savvy. That is very different from communicative. Quotes by him are easy to come by. Answers of any depth aren't. He is popular because he is very careful of what he says and the image he portrays. If you think a photographer was just kind of wandering by and got lucky snapping pictures of him frolicking in the surf in Aloha land you're mistaken.
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read through the links above, you'll find answers to these questions you want addressed.
it's very apparent you just haven't been listening.