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Old 03-11-2009, 05:20 PM   #97
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The obama campaign had no "nuance" nor "innuendo". obama ran against bush and the bush republican party.

carter ran against the washington establishment, and ran against his own party's establishment. that focus alienated the rest of the democrat party and all but doomed the carter presidency all on its own.


Bull. The number one reason Carter was elected was Nixon and his record. You can keep talking about running against the establishment but Watergate and impeachment and our tail between the legs exit from Vietnam got him elected. If Ford hadn't pardoned Nixon he would have won. If the campaign had lasted a month or so longer Ford would have won. Ford had caught Carter after starting down 33 points.

That election had a new format that saw an increased number of primaries and a larger number of Democrats seeking the nomination than normal. No doubt this was unrelated to the first President to resign to avoid impeachment and had little to do with the odds of success being much greater to the Party.

Carter was an unknown with a fresh face and a record of racial progressiveness as the Governor of Georgia that removed the stigma of the segregationist Southern Pols. He grabbed the early primaries, including finishing second to uncommitted in Iowa. He traveled 50,000 miles, visited 37 states and gave 200 speeches before any of the others started.

The media noticed him and his quirky little Plains family that played well in a nation looking for change. It's true he was anti-Washington establishment figure. It's also true that an ABC, anyone but Carter movement was started by Western and Norther Dems because he was considered too conservative for the Party to grab the election. Ford was a moderate and well respected who decided to use a Rose Garden strategy of Statesman taking care of the peoples business and didn't start hitting the trail until October. It was pretty successful. The more people got familiar with him the further the shine of new tarnished.

Carter killed his own Presidency. Tip O'Neal wanted a much more liberal agenda. Carter was over his head. He got some early support, did some nice early work domestically and went off the rails. He asked for the resignation of his entire cabinet during a time of crisis with no hope of getting new people on board and up to speed. He might as well have setup a printing press in Iran and printed "US-The Great Satan" cards with his handling of The Shah and the hostage situation. He porked our amateur athletes with his stupid boycott of the Olympics to protest the Soviets in Afghanistan. The Panama Canal.

I could keep going for a long time. His party abandoned him because he was inept and they got as far away as possible because they wanted to be reelected.

the economy aided obama, and if mccain had any credibility with the public on his economic credentials it would not have benefitted obama as much.

as mccain didn't have any economic cred, I'm not sure that the timing of the recession would have ever been a positive for mccain.


It wasn't the recession. It was the abrupt crash and knee jerk fear of people losing half the value of their 401Ks that helped Obama. Prior to that he had zero anything but big promises. McCain was gaining ground.

It took a nuclear financial event to move Obama ahead for good. If more time had remained and we started talking about a 1 trillion dollar stimulus bill instead of the 300 billion one he maintained he wanted until after the election he may have lost. Obama ran his whole campaign on the theory you can't prove a negative. He had no record. He had never run a business, he had never served in the military. He became a millionaire writing books and a short political career.

but you said that "pelosi is taking most of the heat", now you're agreeing that she is invisible. a bit contradictory there...



but didn't you just agree that pelosi is invisible? talk about inconsistency...yikes.


Not really. She was front and center during the stimulus bill gyrations and took the heat for the amount and the content. She went away when it passed. She will again be visible when she is cracking the whip ramming legislation through or saying something stupid. This is not a difficult concept.

and? photographers complaining is somehow confirmation of your assertion that "obama has no contact with the press"???? you have got to be joking, right?



easy to refute.
obama press conference feb 9

obama interview on al arabiya

obama interview with nyt

interview on air force one



yeah, those same circumstances didn't exist for bush...wait, they did!....and boy it really helped his popularity, didn't it?



read through the links above, you'll find answers to these questions you want addressed.

it's very apparent you just haven't been listening.


What's obvious is you have difficulty admitting that someone can look at the same situation as you and listen to your opinion and disagree with your conclusions. I tried to counter you points with links and and why I thought my conclusions had merit. You typed condescending comments with vague pronouncements. It would seem you want a food fight. I don't.

Have a nice day.
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