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Originally posted by: dude1394
I disagree that either palestine or israel could have done this without dubya.
1. Dubya refused to deal with a terrorist. (aka Arafat). He gave a much-needed dose of reality to the palestinians.
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again, how could Bush's policy of not meeting with the PLA be the basis for giving credit to Bush for the Israelis and PLA meeting now?
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2. He openly called for a palestinian state. No leftist or european want to give him credit for that at all, seems to be forgotten in all this.
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as if he was the first President to say such a thing (he wasn't)
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3. Sharon knew that dubya would support the fence and that he would support tough actions towards the terrorists.
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Sharon had to deal with his own "support" for the fence from the Israeli Courts. He sure didn't need Bush...
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As far as the Mavdog saying the wall "isn't up", that's as fancifal as Kerry's trip to cambodia at christmas. Complete refutation of reality. Or maybe it's the "nuance" speaking again, it's not 100% complete so it's not relevant, fantasy talk.
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The Israelis have completed 2 of the 4 phases of constructing the fence. To give credit for there being a summit meeting between Abbas and Sharon to the erection of the fence is illogical if the fence isn't already up. and it's not.