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Originally Posted by wmbwinn
When I make a statement in statistics, I provide a link. You provide nothing more than your statement. The following link speaks to the reduced crime/murder rate in a time period of increased gun ownership.
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...ad.aspx?ID=126
Here is the article again that discusses the lower crime/murder rates in most countries with more free access to guns (this looks at 27 countries):
http://www.nraila.org//Issues/FactSh...ead.aspx?ID=78
Here is the link showing the number of accidental deaths with a firearm have declined despite an increase in the number of guns:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...=242&issue=009
Anyway, Mavdog, you said that the overall trend has been an increase in crime and murder in a time period of increased gun ownership. No link? No data? Is the increase primarily in Washington DC, Chicago, and California's large cities?
Now, as to Rudy: I particularly quoted Rudy in post 131. Go back and read that or look at this link:
http://www.nraila.org//News/Read/Speeches.aspx?ID=45
Rudy very specifically spoke about his issues of gun bans and gun control and specifically backtracked on those issues. He specifically stated that the successes in NYC were due to increased punishment for gun related crime and decreased "passes" in the correctional system.
I bolded many of those areas in post 131.
That is what I'm talking about. I realize that Rudy was on the wrong side of the debate earlier in his career. He flip flopped. I am running with his more recent stance. |
you remind me of sarah palin, who would regurgitate an answer to a question and totally miss what the questioner asked....all those nra sites do a great job of telling it like the nra wants to portray the facts, which is selecting the parameters which best support their more guns for more people position.
here, I'll make it simpler for you: the number of guns in america has increased steadily, with no decrease in the number of guns in any one year, over time.
the crime rate has had periods of increasing rates of crime and decreasing rates of crime over time.
therefore over time there is not direct correlation between the number of guns and the level of crime. the two are independent of each other.
nice try tho.