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Originally Posted by Mavdog
rahm emanuel is also (although not born there) from chicago.
it's ridiculous to believe that congress would pass a major piece of legislation they had no part in writing.
the cia issue is one of right or wrong. if there were those who violated the laws, they should be held responsible. if you look at what actions the obama administration has done so far, they really haven't been looking to publically embarass the prior administration, they have been pretty low key and passed on pursuing these type of cases.
as was shown by the polls, health care is kicking the republican's ass as much as anybody's. so far there aren't any winners..sort of a scorched earth campaign by the opponents. they are getting as burned too.
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He is still the only one that spent much time in Washington including Obama. It's the classic noobie pattern. Carter and Clinton did the same thing.
Many Bills have been passed where the main parameters were defined by the President and cabinet. TARP, for example. Congress sticks earmarks and other pork in, but they do that on everything, It might be ridiculous, but Carter and Clinton both did it and it cost them big
Things like this CIA stuff are never that black and white. There is always discretion in charges and prosecution. Using loopholes etc. You might think stealing is a crime, but if your kids were hungry you'd do it. It's getting old having to rebuild intelligence assets after every Democrat administration.
This is very bad strategy on Holder's part. Might not be fair, but prepare for a bunch of Mark Rich shots.
http://www.time.com/time/2007/presid...ardons/10.html
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In 1983, financier Rich was indicted for evading more than $48 million in taxes, and charged with 51 counts of tax fraud, as well as running illegal oil deals with Iran during the 1979-1980 hostage crisis. During his last week in office, President Bill Clinton pardoned Rich, who had fled the U.S. during his prosecution and was residing in Switzerland.
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The Rich pardon sparked an investigation into whether it was bought by the hefty donations Rich's ex-wife, Denise, had given to the Clintons and the Democrats. In the end, investigators did not find enough evidence to indict Clinton.
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Did he miss the crap Pelosi got into with the CIA? Why tear off the ragged scab now? It'll piss off the same geezer demographics that are currently all worked up over health care.
This couldn't wait until after the health care issue was resolved? It might be right or wrong, but there was no reason to go public with it now. The best thing would have been to start the investigation quietly and pick a better spot to go public. Like after Congress is back and a health care bill is hammered out so it isn't so wag the dogish.
There are going to be some very pissed off people in Congress that are up for reelection. Great, let's bring a national defense issue in right now. And let's make it a protracted one.
Obama seems to be locked into firing up his base everytime he has a setback. This is amateur hour stuff and unnecessary. Constantly referring to the situation he inherited isn't real Presidential and is starting to sound like an apology. You let the underlings do that stuff
I remember trying to figure what the benefit was last fall when he was comfortably ahead and sniping at Fox. That's a crapload of people who are not your biggest fans. Did he really need to go out of his way to irritate them? He's still doing it. Cable chatter? You have an overwhelming advantage in both Houses. You shouldn't need a single Republican vote. If they hadn't been such gloating, dismissive asshats this would have been a done deal already.
Exactly how are they obstructing you? The Party of no, want him to fail, hate having a black President, spread misinformation stuff has gotten all the people it's going to get and it's driving away moderates and independents.
Saying the issue has been anything but disastrous for the Democrats and given the Repugs a huge boost is a curious position. 4 weeks ago the Republicans were irrelevant and didn't matter. The far left is hammering away and all the smug overconfidence of "we won you lost STFU" has come back to bite them on the ass. Trying to back off the public option is another "the surge won't work and the war is lost" situation. No one is going for the "I didn't mean it had to in the bill" spiel. There's this thing called You tube.
Seems the technology President forgot about that.
The thing that really sucks is we need health care reform badly, people are in a very tough situation and we're playing with lives. I can't think of anything that was so badly handled as this health care reform. It's positively Carter like, but at least he had Tip O'neal. Pelosi has been a disaster on this.