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Originally Posted by aquaadverse
He is still the only one that spent much time in Washington including Obama. It's the classic noobie pattern. Carter and Clinton did the same thing.
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no, you're wrong. the staff is full of people who have worked in washington for yuears. rice, summers, nicolson,moran, orszag, craig, podesta, messina....
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Many Bills have been passed where the main parameters were defined by the President and cabinet. TARP, for example. Congress sticks earmarks and other pork in, but they do that on everything, It might be ridiculous, but Carter and Clinton both did it and it cost them big
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"main parameters"? nice sidestep. so yes, congress does have input (beyond "earmarks and pork").
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Things like this CIA stuff are never that black and white. There is always discretion in charges and prosecution. Using loopholes etc. You might think stealing is a crime, but if your kids were hungry you'd do it. It's getting old having to rebuild intelligence assets after every Democrat administration.
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it's still stealing no matter if the kids were hungry. motivation doesn't change the guilt, just the punishment.
??? presidential pardons? uh, come back to earth will ya?
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Did he miss the crap Pelosi got into with the CIA? Why tear off the ragged scab now? It'll piss off the same geezer demographics that are currently all worked up over health care.
This couldn't wait until after the health care issue was resolved? It might be right or wrong, but there was no reason to go public with it now. The best thing would have been to start the investigation quietly and pick a better spot to go public. Like after Congress is back and a health care bill is hammered out so it isn't so wag the dogish.
There are going to be some very pissed off people in Congress that are up for reelection. Great, let's bring a national defense issue in right now. And let's make it a protracted one.
Obama seems to be locked into firing up his base everytime he has a setback. This is amateur hour stuff and unnecessary. Constantly referring to the situation he inherited isn't real Presidential and is starting to sound like an apology. You let the underlings do that stuff
I remember trying to figure what the benefit was last fall when he was comfortably ahead and sniping at Fox. That's a crapload of people who are not your biggest fans. Did he really need to go out of his way to irritate them? He's still doing it. Cable chatter? You have an overwhelming advantage in both Houses. You shouldn't need a single Republican vote. If they hadn't been such gloating, dismissive asshats this would have been a done deal already.
Exactly how are they obstructing you? The Party of no, want him to fail, hate having a black President, spread misinformation stuff has gotten all the people it's going to get and it's driving away moderates and independents.
Saying the issue has been anything but disastrous for the Democrats and given the Repugs a huge boost is a curious position. 4 weeks ago the Republicans were irrelevant and didn't matter. The far left is hammering away and all the smug overconfidence of "we won you lost STFU" has come back to bite them on the ass. Trying to back off the public option is another "the surge won't work and the war is lost" situation. No one is going for the "I didn't mean it had to in the bill" spiel. There's this thing called You tube.
Seems the technology President forgot about that.
The thing that really sucks is we need health care reform badly, people are in a very tough situation and we're playing with lives. I can't think of anything that was so badly handled as this health care reform. It's positively Carter like, but at least he had Tip O'neal. Pelosi has been a disaster on this.
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one of the jobs a president has, esp when his party has control of congress, is managing the egos of the congressional reps. I don't see that obama has done a very good job of managing them, but then again that is a bot like herding cats.
why bring up the cia mess now? because it needs to be taken care of, and the present is the right time.
holder is just doing his job, and the fact that the politics of the issue are being ignored falls into that box.
you have a fascination of comparing obama to carter. time will tell, but so far there's really not an accurate analogy.