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Originally Posted by alexamenos
So do you think a state which owns producers isn't a terribly pervasive thing? I would never argue that fascism isn't a horribly pervasive thing, even more pervasive than that desired by the average US Liberal.
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government that controls production is not conducive for an efficient economy. it encourages the growth an underground economy in response.
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I get that fascism is state worship and that there is more to the story than the economic planks, I'm just making the distinction between the economics of regular ole socialism and the economics of the fascist variant. Both are state controlled, centrally planned economies even though one claimed ownership of property while the other didn't. The differences are aesthetic than economic.
hmmm....Of most interest to me is Hayek's "Road to Serfdom" thesis...hmmmm....here 'tis, something I wrote 4 years ago, well before Obama came along to tell us that only more government can save us from this present economic mess:
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hayek spoke of collectivism, not of benign democratic socialism. the course of history over the last five decades has shown him to be accurate about collectivism and your inclusion of democratic socialism to be false. take a look at the western european democracies, as well as the asian tigers, and your assertion proves hollow.
as for the rise of fascism in germany and italy, this was a consequence of nationalism and racism, not to mention the intertwining of an economic crisis that prompted the populance to seek solutions they would otherwise have not embraced. the rise of fascism was not a "predictable outcome of democratic socialism" imo.
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anyhooo...my point is not that Obama won't give up office in 4 years when he's booted out, but rather that fascism is sort of a bastard child of so-called 'third-wayisms' of the modern welfare state. Unwelcomed, different, but intrinsically related nonetheless.
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one can say that all modern political philosophies are "related" as they involve tenets from other ideals in a cafeteria approach, why should fascism be any different?