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David · 01-05-2003, 11:09 PM

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<< What happens if the Mavs play their usual game in a series and all the shots they get are contested and they don't shoot their usual percentage? >>

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<< David, the problem is right there. Jumpshots. IF the Mavs lose because they can´t make shots than a good share of the blame goes to Nellie. Why? Because he´s responsible for the way the team plays. People are griping about the lack of interior offense for a long time now. In some games we had allmost no inside firepower. We will never be a great team down low because we don´t have the players to be one. But that makes it even more important to work on that weakness while we can. That would be now, regular season. Play a little bit more halfcourt ball if the game lets you, post players up (Dirk), play big. >>

You seem to want to blame Nelson if the shots aren't falling. These opponents are NBA teams, with NBA players. In the playoffs, the non-playoff teams are eliminated. In theory, the best NBA teams are playing. Are these other teams playing any defense? If the other team out-plays the Mavs do they get credit for that or is it the only way the Mavs can lose is if the Mavs(read Nelson)fail?

<< It should pay off in the playoffs to get better in those areas. Yet Nellie constantly refuses to do such kind of things. He´s stubborn. He wants to win his way. Works great...in the regular season. Doesn´t work as good in the playoffs, and not because the game is more intense or anything, that´s bull. It doesn´t work because you can´t have any letdowns in a 7 game series against Sac. If you´re relying on the outside shot too much and go cold, you´re down 0 - 2 against a team like Sac very quickly. >>

The Mavs hired Nelson to coach his way. If Mark doesn't like the job Nelson is doing, he ought to fire him. If he doesn't fire him, he ought to get out of the way and let him coach HIS way. The regular season record says Nelson is doing better than any team in the league. Not to say the Mavs have the best team, just the best regular season record.

NBA history shows that teams rarely win the whole thing the first time they make the playoffs. It seems that the teams tend to have teams that get in their way and then a team either overcomes the teams they need to hurdle or they go back in the pack.

Detroit had to get over the Celtics, the Bulls had to get over the BadBoys, etc. Sacramento had the best team in the NBA last year, IMO, but THEIR hurdle in the playoffs is the Lakers. Did the Kings coach fail because the Kings choked and hit only 50% of their free throws and lost game 7 to the Lakers?

<< The way the Mavs play right now they are a streaky team, and that doesn´t work well in the playoffs. You have to have other ways to win if you can´t hit shots. Our improved defense is good step into that direction, now the offense should follow. People were asking why the Mavs can´t hold on to big leads sometimes. IMO it´s for the same reason. They rely on the jumpshot too much. If shots aren´t falling they can´t "work" their way to some cheap points, because they don´t have the tools and plays to do so (halfcourt offense). >>

An inside player would be nice and the whys and wherefores were discussed in the off-season about who could be acquired and who's minutes they would take. Most of the discussion revolved around getting a C/PF for inside play. What is the cost of a dominating, inside playing center and who would that be and is he available? If there is a good one, and they are rare, why would he be traded. The Mavs only had $4.5 to get one if available.

How about a PF? Isn't that Dirk's position? Let's play Dirk in the post. Isn't he the best 3 point shooter the Mavs have? How about Dirk getting the ball everytime down the court on offense? Can the Mavs get away with that? Won't the other team double Dirk and play the passing lanes? Old arguments. Do you think Nelson and all the members of the largest coaching staff in the NBA, including Donnie, ever discuss any of this?

<< Nellie should see that and work on it. But he does not. That´s why he will be held responsible if the Mavs expirience another early playoff exit. >>

You'll have to tell me more about the Mavs practices because I've never been to any. You know for a fact that Nelson doesn't have his players work on their game. That's interesting. Someone ought to tell Mark because he will want to know what Nelson, and the largest coaching staff in the league, is doing with their time and where they are hiding the mirrors that they use to create the illusion of the Mavs being one of the best teams in the NBA.

And what "early playoff exit" are you talking about? Two years ago, the Mavs made the playoffs for the first time in a decade and suprised, almost, everyone by making the 2nd round. Last year, the Mav swept their way into the 2nd round and then lost to, IMO, the best team in the NBA. I must have missed this "early exit". I wanted the Mavs to win last year, but they played the Kings and the Kings were simply the better team. The Mavs saw that their major short-coming was their defense and, although I haven't been to any of their practices, in games the defense appears to be improved. Is it enough? We won't know until the playoffs.

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David Golden Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,864	<< << What happens if the Mavs play their usual game in a series and all the shots they get are contested and they don't shoot their usual percentage?* >>* >> << David, the problem is right there. Jumpshots. IF the Mavs lose because they can´t make shots than a good share of the blame goes to Nellie. Why? Because he´s responsible for the way the team plays. People are griping about the lack of interior offense for a long time now. In some games we had allmost no inside firepower. We will never be a great team down low because we don´t have the players to be one. But that makes it even more important to work on that weakness while we can. That would be now, regular season. Play a little bit more halfcourt ball if the game lets you, post players up (Dirk), play big. >> You seem to want to blame Nelson if the shots aren't falling. These opponents are NBA teams, with NBA players. In the playoffs, the non-playoff teams are eliminated. In theory, the best NBA teams are playing. Are these other teams playing any defense? If the other team out-plays the Mavs do they get credit for that or is it the only way the Mavs can lose is if the Mavs(read Nelson)fail? << It should pay off in the playoffs to get better in those areas. Yet Nellie constantly refuses to do such kind of things. He´s stubborn. He wants to win his way. Works great...in the regular season. Doesn´t work as good in the playoffs, and not because the game is more intense or anything, that´s bull. It doesn´t work because you can´t have any letdowns in a 7 game series against Sac. If you´re relying on the outside shot too much and go cold, you´re down 0 - 2 against a team like Sac very quickly. >> The Mavs hired Nelson to coach his way. If Mark doesn't like the job Nelson is doing, he ought to fire him. If he doesn't fire him, he ought to get out of the way and let him coach HIS way. The regular season record says Nelson is doing better than any team in the league. Not to say the Mavs have the best team, just the best regular season record. NBA history shows that teams rarely win the whole thing the first time they make the playoffs. It seems that the teams tend to have teams that get in their way and then a team either overcomes the teams they need to hurdle or they go back in the pack. Detroit had to get over the Celtics, the Bulls had to get over the BadBoys, etc. Sacramento had the best team in the NBA last year, IMO, but THEIR hurdle in the playoffs is the Lakers. Did the Kings coach fail because the Kings choked and hit only 50% of their free throws and lost game 7 to the Lakers? << The way the Mavs play right now they are a streaky team, and that doesn´t work well in the playoffs. You have to have other ways to win if you can´t hit shots. Our improved defense is good step into that direction, now the offense should follow. People were asking why the Mavs can´t hold on to big leads sometimes. IMO it´s for the same reason. They rely on the jumpshot too much. If shots aren´t falling they can´t "work" their way to some cheap points, because they don´t have the tools and plays to do so (halfcourt offense). >> An inside player would be nice and the whys and wherefores were discussed in the off-season about who could be acquired and who's minutes they would take. Most of the discussion revolved around getting a C/PF for inside play. What is the cost of a dominating, inside playing center and who would that be and is he available? If there is a good one, and they are rare, why would he be traded. The Mavs only had $4.5 to get one if available. How about a PF? Isn't that Dirk's position? Let's play Dirk in the post. Isn't he the best 3 point shooter the Mavs have? How about Dirk getting the ball everytime down the court on offense? Can the Mavs get away with that? Won't the other team double Dirk and play the passing lanes? Old arguments. Do you think Nelson and all the members of the largest coaching staff in the NBA, including Donnie, ever discuss any of this? << Nellie should see that and work on it. But he does not. That´s why he will be held responsible if the Mavs expirience another early playoff exit. >> You'll have to tell me more about the Mavs practices because I've never been to any. You know for a fact that Nelson doesn't have his players work on their game. That's interesting. Someone ought to tell Mark because he will want to know what Nelson, and the largest coaching staff in the league, is doing with their time and where they are hiding the mirrors that they use to create the illusion of the Mavs being one of the best teams in the NBA. And what "early playoff exit" are you talking about? Two years ago, the Mavs made the playoffs for the first time in a decade and suprised, almost, everyone by making the 2nd round. Last year, the Mav swept their way into the 2nd round and then lost to, IMO, the best team in the NBA. I must have missed this "early exit". I wanted the Mavs to win last year, but they played the Kings and the Kings were simply the better team. The Mavs saw that their major short-coming was their defense and, although I haven't been to any of their practices, in games the defense appears to be improved. Is it enough? We won't know until the playoffs.