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Old 05-19-2008, 11:20 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by alexamenos
wmb --

Whatever the legal attack may be at some point in the future, the fact remains that no specific persons have been charged by the State with statutory rape as it stands today. What has happened, unquestionably, is that the State has taken children from parents on the grounds that the parents' beliefs may somehow one day in the indeterminate future lead to child abuse vis a vis statutory rape.

what is important to understand, i think, is that the law is sufficiently explicit in regards to when the State can take children from their parents:



Each of these conditions must be met for the state to lawfully take children from a parent. But the thing is....none of these conditions were satisfied for the vast, vast majority of the children abducted by the state (with the possible exception of the 3 or 6 or 31 girls who may have been pregnant at some time in the past and who also may have been minors in the past). I mean....I'm a reasonably prudent and cautious person, and I don't think a 4 year old boy is in immediate danger because at some point in the next decade he might be taught that it's good to have more than one wife.

Moreover, although the State is required to make reasonable efforts to provide for the safety of the child without removing the children from his/her parents, the State has gone out of its way to ensure nothing short of complete separation of 1 year old + children from their parents.

I think the State is way, way, way out of bounds, and the recent spate of malicious propaganda is an effort by the State to conceal their very unsound position by pumping up hatred for the flds.
I agree with you Alex. Problem is that CPS is part of the executive branch of government. They are not part of the judicial branch. CPS is empowered to act on behalf of children without meeting the full rule of law. From the perspective of CPS, the job of determining the future of the kids is the job of the court. Their job from their perspective is to grab kids where there MIGHT be a problem because they are kids. CPS is given that broad power. The courts routinely overturn CPS.

I think it sucks. But, it is what it is (a Parcells quote).
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