GDT: 7/9/10 3:00PM - CH 21 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

SMC0007 · 07-09-2010, 10:23 AM

Denver vs Dallas- here we go

Time to watch the youngsters play and forget about all the bullsh. I'm ready for some Roddy, Dojo and company.

jthig32 · 07-09-2010, 10:27 AM

I've got the DVR set. I'll be watching it tonight.

I look forward to the inevitable thought of "gosh I forget every year how terrible Summer League action is".

Rick41 · 07-09-2010, 10:27 AM

I've got this bad boy on NBATV HD. Will be tuning in.

SMC0007 · 07-09-2010, 10:42 AM

Yep, DVR is the best. I've had it set since it showed up on the directv guide. I just hope the damn storms stay clear of the area. I'd hate to press play later and it be "searching for signal".

Kante · 07-09-2010, 03:00 PM

Any Links, since it is not available on SLBB it seems... ?

Edit: Ok have it.

Nowitzki4President · 07-09-2010, 03:15 PM

Anyone have a link?

tcat075 · 07-09-2010, 03:22 PM

ESPN 3. Front page. Great quality.

DirkFTW · 07-09-2010, 03:52 PM

our summer squad seems pretty crappy

twistaeffect2004 · 07-09-2010, 03:53 PM

Colby Karl is tearing the Mavs apart on the break.

Other than Dojo everyone has sucked a good deal.

tcat075 · 07-09-2010, 04:03 PM

Here's my analysis from the Summer League game in case you didn't see it.

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Lin with an and 1. Good job taking the contact.

#1 for the Mavs, Mayo (?) looks a little lost playing the point. Tried a bullet thread the needle pass that was easily deflected away. Lin is playing the point now.

Dominique came off a screen and just bowled over the defender stepping out. Blocking foul on the defense.

Not to hate on Mayo, but he just dribbled into a trap in the corner and turned it over. Not a great idea. On the other hand, Lin just got the ball poked out of his hand from behind.

Roddy back in. Yay! Lin drives and kicks to him, who swings to Dominique, but its off the back iron.

Lin steals the ball and takes it the length of the court, driving past one defender. Probably should have given it up, seeing it was 3-on-1, but it worked.

Lin drove and kicked to Roddy in the corner. Missed it short, but went back to him and got a nice layup to go, twisting around the defense to scoop it in. However, next trip down the floor he got straight out stripped.

But more Roddy with a nice bounce pass to Dojo cutting the baseline. Jones has 4 FTA's so far, I believe.

Lin drives, gets the wrap around to DeSean Simms (sp?) who misses a 19 footer. Good penetration by Lin though.

Two more FTA's. Made contact first, then tried to finish. He's not scared of the bigs down there. Of course, its not like any of the bigs are Dwight Howard or Marcus Camby.

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2:47 left in the 2nd right now. Den 35, Dal 27.

Good job by Dojo (I think, could have been Foster) crowding his man once he picked up his dribble.

Beaubois got a little bit of a 'stache/goatee going. Nice. He's just a beast.

Commentors are complimentary of Jeremy Lin's time on the court as he is replaced by Giddens. I agree. He was penetrating well, and though he had a few poor moments, for the most part his passing was very good. Made a basket or two as well.

Dojo with a nice no look pass to a big underneath the basket, not sure who it was, but he missed.

Samhan has 5 fouls already, btw. 10 to foul out in Summer League.

Half time. Denver is just killing us so far. Capitalizing on the fast break. Its 47-27 now. Ouch. They are making crisp, precise passes on the break, leading to open threes (which they are making) and open layouts on runouts. And if the layup isn't there, they always seem to have a open man trailing behind for a dunk. Colby Karl, of all people, is making some really nice bullet passes and a few underhanded flip passes, all of them right to the hands of his target.

DirkFTW · 07-09-2010, 04:18 PM

RoBo is 1-10?

tcat075 · 07-09-2010, 04:21 PM

Jones with a TO on the pick in roll, then gets caught in the lane and barely gets it out. But Samhan ends up with nice shot. Dominique just glided through the defense for an easy layup.

Roddy continues to shoot it up there. Another bad miss off the front rim. That's 0/5 or 0/6 from 3 now.

Samhan with the oreb off a FT, passes to Roddy 8 feet in the lane, but he missed on the floater.

Bad miss on a turnaround fader by Giddens (I think), but he gets the board and Jones with a dunk. Then, he gets the ball at about half court and takes it to the rim, getting two more ft's. Unofficial count, but he has 6 so far? Went 1 of 2.

Samhan taps a rebound and goes and retrieves it.

Jones bowls over Coby Karl trying to drive right. 15th turnover.

Roddy gets tripped up trying to split the double. Then drives, gets to the rim and throws a nice wrap around to some guy on the elbow. It was Giddens, but he missed.

Roddy has a 3 rattle out.

Muhommed Faye is tiny. Might need some weight room work.

Roddy comes back and swats Athello Hunter who was parked in the middle of the lane trying to pass it, but decided to shoot it. Beaubois just timed it perfectly and slapped it out as Hunter was raising to shoot it.

35, I believe it was Faye, just got blown by from the low post. That's not good defense.

Foster misses a three off Jones penetration. Then Roddy gets a bail out call after putting his head down and trying to force his way into the lane. He has 6 points and is 1/10 from the floor. Not a good showing.

But he just strips the ball from the PG and dives to grab it for the Mavs possession. And now he splits the defense and gets an easy layup. About time he gets some easy penetration.

FINtastic · 07-09-2010, 04:25 PM

Yikes. Roddy has 11 points on 14 shots (missed all eight threes that he's put up today). Not his best performance at all.

FINtastic · 07-09-2010, 04:28 PM

Roddy might need to learn to just take it to the rim when his jumper isn't falling.

tcat075 · 07-09-2010, 04:29 PM

Lin's back in. I'm excited to see him.

Boy, Roddy just missed another wide open trey. He pump faked and watched a defender fly by, but couldn't stick it. Nor could he stick a pullup 18 footer on the next possession.

Gets a nice drive though to go for an and-1. He finished with his back to the basket, throwing it up off the glass with two hands (yes, two hands. Looked kind weird, but it hung on the front iron and fell in).

Roddy gets the rebound off his missed FT and throws to Lin cross-court, who drives with an acrobatic finish. up and under the defense.

Still, Roddy is just trying to do too much. Drove and almost picked up a charge, but it was called a block. His free throws look off too. He's missed a couple and a couple more have had to bounce in.

Defense broke down when Hunter got inside for Denver for a wide open jam.

Great pass by Lin inside to Jones, who has it slapped away. Then another nice pass off the inbounds, leaning over and throwing a nice bounce pass so Giddens can get the wide open layup. Lin is looking sharp. I'm going to ignore the turnover he just made at half court...granted, there was only seconds left in the quarter.

tcat075 · 07-09-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

Roddy might need to learn to just take it to the rim when his jumper isn't falling.

He is, some, but he's not getting easy penetration. Thus, he resorted to just trying to barrel through the defense and its not working. A couple charges, and couple blocks which could have been charges, and some wild kick outs.

FINtastic · 07-09-2010, 04:35 PM

Ugh, Roddy has to have at least 6 turnovers right now.

At least he doesn't have to play point next year.

FINtastic · 07-09-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

He is, some, but he's not getting easy penetration. Thus, he resorted to just trying to barrel through the defense and its not working. A couple charges, and couple blocks which could have been charges, and some wild kick outs.

Yeah, but how many 3 point attempts does he have right now? 9?

Underdog · 07-09-2010, 04:37 PM

Two words concerning Roddy's performance: summer league.

(plus, he's a Maverick, so his natural inclination is to play down to the competition!)

tcat075 · 07-09-2010, 04:37 PM

Cuban says they are looking for a backup 4/5 and for someone to spread the floor. He says that the "rest of the league isn't trembling yet" at the Miami team, because they can't build on the big 3.

Lin just swatted some guy at the apex of his jumper. He tried to pull up in front of him, and Lin was right with him all the way and threw it back in his face. Then he got a piece of it again as he tried to jack it up before the clock expired. Nice.

Roddy just missed on a 3. Again. And then a wild cross court pass off a drive that is intercepted.

On the fast break, Foster catches the pass, around the back dribble to avoid a defender, and threads it to Lin for an and-1 layup.

Lin goes to the line again, I looked away and I don't know why though. He hits them both. He drives again with some contact but no call. I thought it looked like one.

Roddy looks acceptable there on the pick and roll.

Lin gets caught in the short corner after trying to drive baseline, ball gets taken away.

Its 71-57 in favor of Denver, with 7 left in the 4th.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-09-2010, 04:40 PM

Poor performance by Roddy. He tries to do too much on offense.

tcat075 · 07-09-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

Yeah, but how many 3 point attempts does he have right now? 9?

Yeah, I agree, way too many. He has 8 right now, I believe. All misses. I'm just saying he's not driving that well. He's just forcing it way too much.

DirkFTW · 07-09-2010, 04:45 PM

Good Lord, was Roddy the one who tried a practice three after the dead ball and got nothing but glass?

FINtastic · 07-09-2010, 04:47 PM

You have to like this debut for Dojo though. It wasn't a fib when they said he could take it to the rack and get to the line.

tcat075 · 07-09-2010, 04:53 PM

Nice move by Shan Foster. Drove and a jump stop, then layed it in.

Roddy with a pass to Jones in the corner, who drives for a foul. Still, the pass by Roddy seemed reckless and wild to me. He jumped to throw it and the entire way I was wondering when a Denver player would step in and pick it off. At least he didn't force up a three.

Lawson just drove from baseline to baseline before leaving it for a dunk from a big man on a nice bounce pass.

Jones drove on the fast break, but missed an easy layup. Just put it too hard off the glass.

Roddy misses short. 0/9. Its possible someone got a fingertip on it. And then, after the whistle blew, he hoists one up for the fun of it and doesn't even get rim, just back board.

Giddens with a good put back. And then on the fast break, Jones with two more foul shots. He's lived up to his reputation in that way.

Ugh, I'm done. This is awful. And now I just learned that the Rangers traded Smoak for Cliff Lee. That just makes my day worse. Justin Smoak is way too big of a price to give up for 3 months of Cliff Lee, because I don't think Lee puts us over the top. And I really liked Smoak.

But a beautiful drive by Lin putting it high off the glass for the score. I'm really liking this kid. I'm not saying he's going to make the roster, but I want him on the d league team. Make it happen.

tcat075 · 07-09-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

Good Lord, was Roddy the one who tried a practice three after the dead ball and got nothing but glass?

yes

FINtastic · 07-09-2010, 05:02 PM

Roddy 3-for-16 (0-for-9 from three) for 12 pts and 6 TOs. DoJo 5-for-13, 9-of-12 at the line, 19 pts and 5 TOs

I got this line off Earl K Sneed's twitter. Ugly line for Roddy. I like Dojo's though (other than the 5 TOs). Dude got twelve(!!) free throws attempts.

tcat075 · 07-09-2010, 05:07 PM

Alright, whatever, here's my recap.

Dojo is all we've heard. He can drive, penetrate well, takes a lot of contact and gets to the line, while at the same time having the strength to finish. He also needs to work on the jumper of his, as we also heard.

Roddy? Forced up way too many 3's. He knew he was going to be the superstar on this team, and combine that with a poor shooting night he was just terrible. His drives were not much better: instead of his typical silky smooth drive between defenders, he resorted to a bowling ball approach, just tucking the ball under his arm and trying to ram people out of the way. As you can imagine, it was not that effective. Then, he was throwing the ball all over the place. Some were on target, timely, and effective, but many were dangerous passes to people who had no chance to score. Six turnovers overall. Now, I think we're all fine to chalking this down to a really bad night, and I fully expect him to go out there next game and be more relaxed and play his game, but still it was disappointing.

Shan Foster had a few nice moments, but mostly he just blended in with everyone else.

Jeremy Lin was the guy who stood out the most to me. He made some mistakes at times, mainly by getting trapped on the baseline or in the corner and not being able to get the ball out. But he outshined those mistakes by driving, driving, driving (I don't believe he took a single jumper...not even one). He would get near the rim, and he was able to finish quite well from there, with acrobatic layups on both sides of the baskets. When the layup did not present itself, he was able to throw wrap around passes, timely bounce passes, and long kick outs to open players. He also played great defense, including blocking one Denver player's jumper twice on the same trip. The first block was just absolutely beautiful, with Lin rising up and blocking it while it was still in the guy's hand.

Omar Samhan just fouled a lot. He scored a little, including a 18 footer to beat the buzzer, but he mostly just blended in. Didn't assert himself offensively, on the boards, or defensively. I don't feel he played all that poorly, but playing "just average" isn't going to get you to make a roster.

FINtastic · 07-09-2010, 05:22 PM

I felt like I was watching slow motion replays whenever Omar Samhan made a post move.

FINtastic · 07-09-2010, 05:24 PM

I think Roddy is letting all this talk about him playing a major role get to his head. The coaches just need to tell him to relax and play his game. We all know he can do it, he just needs to go out and play. Don't worry about all the superstar talk.

tcat075 · 07-09-2010, 05:56 PM

Yeah I'm not worrying about Roddy. He'll be fine. I do think he relies on his three pointer, and when its not going down at all the rest of his game may deteriorate into what we saw today. I also think the fact that there was no German to throw to in the post allowing Roddy to go sit in the corner wasn't helpful. But Roddy will need to play well in his next game.

SMC0007 · 07-09-2010, 06:21 PM

Jeremy Lin was really impressive. I'm Not sure if he can shoot it or not but he is smart, athletic, crafty with the ball and can play some D. I can't wait to see more of him. He didn't make but a few mistakes, definitely less than any other Mav.

Roddy. :0 He didn't have ANY leadership on the floor and did not resemble a PG nor a player that was comfortable and under control at all! Not one time did I see him try to slow things down and get it under control or run a play. Mean while Lin did several times and I don't tihnk he was designated PG at all.

Samhan just sluggish at fullspeed at best. As Tcat said blends in very well

Giddens will probably never make it in the NBA because even if he can shoot he does too good a job blending in I think he was dressed in camo.

Faye had a good game, set some good picks/screens and hit a few shots while not making many bad decisions.

Dojo and his driving was relentless, I would have liked to see him shoot it a bit more and mix it up but 19 pts and almost all from the ft line

If he wants to be an all-star like he says he needs to work soo hard on his shot!

tcat075 · 07-09-2010, 06:56 PM

Box Score

Lin only had 2 assists but he probably had a couple hockey assists and if he were on an NBA roster, he would have had 5 or 6 assists. The stat line doesn't show it, but I was most impressed with his drive and kick. Just want to make that clear to anyone glancing at it.

Also, I realize that Faye went 12/8 but I never really felt like anything he did was all that impressive. His baskets weren't sky hooks or turnaround jumpers, just layups when the defense broke down or fast break scores.

FINtastic · 07-09-2010, 07:04 PM

I'm amazed Faye had 12 and 8. He had some terrible looking moments where he looked too weak to play in Summer League (let alone the NBA). He's just a guy in my book.

tcat075 · 07-09-2010, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

I'm amazed Faye had 12 and 8. He had some terrible looking moments where he looked too weak to play in Summer League (let alone the NBA). He's just a guy in my book.

I think it was just a product of his 21 minutes (Roddy, Jones and Giddens were the only people to get more), and his points came of easy feeds and layups. As I said, he really wasn't all that impressive.

Who was the big who knocked down a couple high school 3's, though? Was that him?

jthig32 · 07-09-2010, 10:07 PM

I was really impressed by Jones. That guy has ridiculous body and ball control when driving. I hate to knee jerk from one SL game, but I feel pretty confident that he will have a solid career based on his current skill set.

However, in order to become a key contributor he has to fix that jump shot.

SMC0007 · 07-09-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

I think it was just a product of his 21 minutes (Roddy, Jones and Giddens were the only people to get more), and his points came of easy feeds and layups. As I said, he really wasn't all that impressive.

Who was the big who knocked down a couple high school 3's, though? Was that him?

Yes, that is why I was impressed a bit. Those weren't bad shots either. He took the open look and I think drained 2 of 3 from that range.

sike · 07-09-2010, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

Dojo is all we've heard. He can drive, penetrate well, takes a lot of contact and gets to the line, while at the same time having the strength to finish. He also needs to work on the jumper of his, as we also heard.

Guys that attack the rim always do well in summer league...does anyone have any feeling on if this guy has an NBA game?

SMC0007 · 07-09-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

Guys that attack the rim always do well in summer league...does anyone have any feeling on if this guy has an NBA game?

Man, I think there's no doubt he has an NBA game. He's also built like a brick house

Relentless is the word that readily comes to mind when talking about his attack of the basket. Now if he gets double teamed or someone shuts him down from going to the right idk what happens or how he handles that. It didn't come up.

I don't know how to judge the TO's he had because it's like a free for all with some retards on the floor in summer league and you don't know where the hell guys are going to be, JR Giddens is over in left field picking his nose, Samhan is chasing fireflies...

My guess is, The only thing that will stop this guy from being a really solid player is if he can't get an NBA caliber shot if that makes sense.

tcat075 · 07-09-2010, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

Guys that attack the rim always do well in summer league...does anyone have any feeling on if this guy has an NBA game?

Yes, I'd say he has an NBA game. Certainly he won't regularly get 13 FTA's in a game his first year or two, but his skill at driving to draw the foul will translate over as far as I can tell. I really didn't get the impression the free throws came off two d leaguers just jumping as high as they can to try to block his shot. Jones knows how to position his body so he made contact with them, while shielding his shot, and was able to finish even through the contact.