Possible Washington deal... - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

kg_veteran · 03-30-2004, 01:30 PM

OP pointed out that Washington is a potential trade partner in the offseason, so I thought I'd throw out a deal with Washington for consideration:

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (14.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 4.6 apg in 35.3 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 15.3 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Christian Laettner (5.9 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 20.6 minutes)
C Brendan Haywood (7.0 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 18.8 minutes)
C Dale Davis (4.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 23.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -2.7 ppg, +4.9 rpg, and -2.0 apg.

Washington trades: SF Jerry Stackhouse (14.6 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 4.3 apg in 30.7 minutes)
PF Christian Laettner (5.9 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 20.6 minutes)
C Brendan Haywood (7.0 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 18.8 minutes)
Washington receives: PF Antoine Walker (14.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 4.6 apg in 73 games)
Change in team outlook: -13.2 ppg, -4.9 rpg, and -2.1 apg.

Portland trades: C Dale Davis (4.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 23.6 minutes)
Portland receives: PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 32 games)
SF Jerry Stackhouse (14.6 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 4.3 apg in 22 games)
Change in team outlook: +15.9 ppg, 0.0 rpg, and +4.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

I'm not sure that Portland would have interest in Stackhouse, but he is an upgrade over Anderson in their backcourt, and they wouldn't have to give up that much to get him.

Washington does it to blow things up a bit and acquire Walker's expiring deal.

Dallas' new frontcourt (pending other moves):

C - Haywood, Bradley, Laettner
PF - Nowitzki, Davis
SF - Howard, Jamison

Davis and Laettner give you two veteran big men to bang in the middle. Haywood gives you a shotblocker with some potential.

I'll admit it. I like Chicago scenarios better, but just curious to hear thoughts on this one.

Also, I hope no one will suggest, "Hey, let's trade Walker for Kwame Brown!" IMO, that's unrealistic.

Jamisonite · 03-30-2004, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by: kg_veteran

Also, I hope no one will suggest, "Hey, let's trade Walker for Kwame Brown!" IMO, that's unrealistic.

Ya cuz kwame is gonna be a player

but in order to take this deal id want to give up fortson

dalmations202 · 03-30-2004, 01:40 PM

I can't see doing this one from a Washington perspective.

From a Dallas perspective, I like the Chicago ideas better as well.
As for this trade; is Laettner, Davis, and Haywood quick enough to be the "last line of defense"?
I would have to question this trade, although I might make it, if the Chicago stuff wouldn't work out.

Male30Dan · 03-30-2004, 01:40 PM

Is Stackhouse an upgrade over Anderson??? With his shooting percentage and injury-prone body, I dont know that I would say that so quickly, (especially with the amount of clutch-shooting I have seen out of Anderson lately)...

Regarding this trade... I just think these guys are a bunch of aging scrubs, (Haywood falls under scrubs anyway)!

They are ALL better options than Najera and Dirk at Center, but none of these guys gives me the feeling of CHAMPIONSHIP ON THE WAY, which I would like to think is our goal next year...

Jamisonite · 03-30-2004, 01:43 PM

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (14.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 4.6 apg in 35.3 minutes)
PF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (14.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 4.6 apg in 35.3 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 15.3 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Christian Laettner (5.9 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 20.6 minutes)
C Brendan Haywood (7.0 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 18.8 minutes)
C Grant Hill (7.0 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 18.8 minutes)
PF Drew Gooden (11.5 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +4.1 ppg, +5.8 rpg, and -1.9 apg.

Washington trades: SF Jerry Stackhouse (14.6 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 4.3 apg in 30.7 minutes)
PF Christian Laettner (5.9 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 20.6 minutes)
C Brendan Haywood (7.0 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 18.8 minutes)
Washington receives: PF Antoine Walker (14.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 4.6 apg in 73 games)
Change in team outlook: -13.2 ppg, -4.9 rpg, and -2.1 apg.

Orlando trades: C Grant Hill (7.0 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 18.8 minutes)
PF Drew Gooden (11.5 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.1 minutes)
Orlando receives: PF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (14.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 4.6 apg in 73 games)
PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 32 games)
SF Jerry Stackhouse (14.6 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 4.3 apg in 22 games)
Change in team outlook: +9.1 ppg, -0.9 rpg, and +4.0 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

how about that one kg

kg_veteran · 03-30-2004, 01:49 PM

Don't want Hill or Gooden; can't see the motivation for Orlando to trade.

ddh33 · 03-30-2004, 02:47 PM

The main problem with this trade is the huge logjam up front. I guess that's kind of a nice problem to have, but I can't imagine these guys being happy with the limited playing time available.

You would be looking at:
Dirk
Bradley
Fortson
Najera
Haywood
Davis
Laettner
and sometimes Jamison

all fighting for minutes at the 4-5 positions.

MavsFanatik33 · 03-31-2004, 10:15 AM

I would do that in a second. All we really lose is Walker, and we get good rebounding and interior defense.

Male30Dan · 03-31-2004, 10:17 AM

We already have good rebounding, we need great... Those scrubs sure cant bring that...

And regarding interior defense??? Who out of those players are going to stop anyone consistently??? Out of the players listed in DDH33's post, the one on our roster now would do the best job, Bradley!!!

OutletPass · 03-31-2004, 10:37 AM

The Chicago scenarios interest me a lot more. Never really been a Laettner fan...and it seems like Davis is on his last legs. So, we don't get the much back in this trade and we have to give up someone else off the 12 man roster since 2 leave and 3 come back.

My best bets for "blowup" this year are still Chicago, Orlando, Wash, GS and possibly Toronto...and there are some interesting possibilities there.

Male30Dan · 03-31-2004, 10:46 AM

I will give you Chicago and GS, but Orlando, Washington and Toronto really do little for me, (unless your talking about McGrady/Bosh)...

I just hope we move forward in this upcoming offseason as opposed to moving backwards like this past summer...

MavsFanatik33 · 03-31-2004, 10:55 AM

Well having ACTUAL centers with Davis and Haywood sure wouldnt hurt. Fortson, Najera, and Williams are natural born Power forwards...

Male30Dan · 03-31-2004, 10:59 AM

Davis is a natural C???

Check out Indiana during the Smits years...

Only Haywood is a natural Center, and a poor one at that...

mavsman55 · 03-31-2004, 03:21 PM

Not a bad idea, but that would mean nothing if we didn't get a new coach. Neither Laettner, Davis, or Haywood are big scorers. With all 3 of them on the team, and Bradley, Fortson, Nowitzki, Najera and Williams all fighting for minutes, I could never even dream of the day Don Nelson gives them all good playing time, especially since they are mainly defensive players.

Max Power · 03-31-2004, 04:07 PM

Laettner, Haywood, and Davis do nothing for me anymore. Before the season I was a big Davis fan but he's used up. I was a decent L8 fan until the drug suspension. Haywood would be a big nothing here.

No deal for me.

dalmations202 · 03-31-2004, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by: Male22Dan
Davis is a natural C???

Check out Indiana during the Smits years...

Only Haywood is a natural Center, and a poor one at that...

I have to agree with this. I still like Davis, but he is more of a PF than C, although the Mavs would use him as a C. Isn't he on medicare or something by now though ? ?