What's the lineup once Josh/Thomas get back? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

dude1394 · 10-31-2009, 12:19 PM

So right now the mavs are suiting up.
JJB, Roddy, Matt Carroll, Erick, Gooden, Kris, Jkiddo, Shawn, Dirk, QRoss, Singleton and Jet. --12 players

They have in street clothes..
Josh, Tim Thomas, Shawne Williams.

Sooo...We know that Josh, Thomas will be back..and I believe that the mavs can only suit 12?? So who are the odd men out?

Assuming that Gooden comes back quickly (I don't really think so). Right now I'm thinking it's MattCarroll and either Singleton or Roddy.

I'm voting for MattCarroll and Singleton.

Dirkenstien · 10-31-2009, 12:23 PM

Carlisle hasn't shown Robo any love in the first two games. Singleton is a valuable bench player. It'll probably be Carroll and Robo as the odd men out.

Rick41 · 10-31-2009, 01:54 PM

F Shawne Williams.

jthig32 · 10-31-2009, 04:41 PM

Carroll and Robo are slam dunks, I think.

dude1394 · 10-31-2009, 09:50 PM

I believe robo going down would be a mistake. With josh and tim thomas back there just will be a pretty big gluts of bigs and fewer swingmen. They'll probably send him down but I think it's a mistake.

mavs777 · 10-31-2009, 10:24 PM

Not this much of Carrol I would guess

jthig32 · 11-01-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

I believe robo going down would be a mistake. With josh and tim thomas back there just will be a pretty big gluts of bigs and fewer swingmen. They'll probably send him down but I think it's a mistake.

Based simply on positional alignment, I agree that keeping Roddy in uniform makes more sense. But the reality is he's 21 years old and was playing in a second level French league last year. He's simply not going to contribute this early in the season (and probably won't contribute much, if anything, all year).

Singleton and Thomas may be a bit of overkill at their positions, but they're still far more likely to step in and contribute to an NBA game than Roddy at this point.

mavErika · 11-02-2009, 02:51 AM

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Based simply on positional alignment, I agree that keeping Roddy in uniform makes more sense. But the reality is he's 21 years old and was playing in a second level French league last year. He's simply not going to contribute this early in the season (and probably won't contribute much, if anything, all year).

Singleton and Thomas may be a bit of overkill at their positions, but they're still far more likely to step in and contribute to an NBA game than Roddy at this point.

I haven't lost hope yet that we'll see some Robo against C.Paul on Wednesday. Unfortunately the game is very early in the season, but it's the second game of a back-to-back and Kidd will have his hands full with Deron Williams the night before, and, to put it mildly, neither him nor JJB have looked particularly good against Paul in previous games.
But after his solid performance vs Wasington in the preseason, the season opener certainly was a dampener in that regard, so I'm just hoping and not expecting big minutes for Rodrigue.

mavErika · 11-02-2009, 04:13 AM

...and I'm not the only one. From an earlier truehoop-post citing W.Winston:

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The Mavericks’ best lineups, the last few years, by far, have been going small. You wouldn’t know that unless you looked at this stuff.

Avery Johnson never liked going small. When they played New Orleans two years ago, looking at the numbers, they didn’t have much chance. But maybe if they had gone small.

Chris Paul is like their kryptonite. That’s why they got the French guy they got this year.

Roddy Buckets [Rodrique Beaubois]?
So that maybe he can guard Chris Paul. I can’t wait. I just can’t wait for the season to start to see how stuff pans out.

as for the actual thread-topic, I believe Carlisle will rotate 4-5 guys in and out of the active roster once Josh and Thomas are back, to keep everyone happy. With Carroll, Thomas, Singleton, Roddy and maybe even Humphries being the guys who should always have a well-ironed suit in the locker.

Thespiralgoeson · 11-02-2009, 06:42 AM

I'm really worried that Ross will be hardly ever see the floor when Josh comes back. The way he plays defense, I think he should be getting 20+ mins per.

Lor20 · 11-02-2009, 07:48 AM

it depends on who the threats are on the other team. if its the guards ross should see more minutes (since terry and jjb arent capable of defending the really good guards).
We finally have a team that has some good defenders on all positions (kidd/ross/marion/josh/damp)
Even dirks D looks better (probably because he lost 17 pounds and s quicker now).
It´ll be really interesting to see how we do vs the teams that have always given us huge issues the past years (Lakers/NO/Denver etc)

jthig32 · 11-02-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I'm really worried that Ross will be hardly ever see the floor when Josh comes back. The way he plays defense, I think he should be getting 20+ mins per.

That's a bit excessive, considering we have three two-way players that can guard swingmen (Kidd, Josh, Marion). Ross obviously plays a better brand of defense than Josh, and perhaps the other two, but 20+ with the players available to this team? I don't see it.

If he can guard the Chris Paul types, I could see him getting those kind of minutes in those matchups.

Any year after Fin left and before this year though? I would have agreed wholeheartedly.

Sportstudi · 11-02-2009, 10:23 AM

I think that Williams and Carrol will have to wear suits after Josh and Thomas return to the roster. The third one... IMO it should depend on the opponent's lineup. Therefore, either Singleton or Roddy will be the odd man out. Hopefully Roddy will get some burn against NO, because I would really like to see if and how he can handle Paul.

I have to admit though, that Gooden didn't impress me that much. But even with Thomas returning, we'll be a bit thin at the 5. So, I think Gooden will be in after he's healthy again.

Flacolaco · 11-02-2009, 10:29 AM

Thanks for reminding me that I actually have to see Thomas in a Mavs uniform. Bleah.

Sportstudi · 11-02-2009, 11:17 AM

Welcome

Thespiralgoeson · 11-02-2009, 05:44 PM

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That's a bit excessive, considering we have three two-way players that can guard swingmen (Kidd, Josh, Marion). Ross obviously plays a better brand of defense than Josh, and perhaps the other two, but 20+ with the players available to this team? I don't see it.

If he can guard the Chris Paul types, I could see him getting those kind of minutes in those matchups.

Any year after Fin left and before this year though? I would have agreed wholeheartedly.

The way Terry's been playing, I don't think 20 is excessive at all. I'll take 20 minutes from Ross over 30+ from Terry. Not to mention I want to puke every time I see that three guard lineup.

And I just don't like Josh Howard anymore. He's a ball-stopper.

Kidd Karma · 11-02-2009, 05:55 PM

If we need offense, Thomas, defense, then Singleton.

Howard will get minutes from Dampier(4), Ross(6), Barea(10) and Terry(5). And eventually he'll get Dirk and Marion extra rest.

tcat075 · 11-02-2009, 06:01 PM

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The way Terry's been playing,

And obviously, Terry's current poor place is going to last the entire season, and his mediocre shooting cannot improve. Anyway, aren't we talking about the guy who hit the dagger 3 at the end of the Clipper's game?

Saying Ross should get 20 minutes because Terry hasn't been up to his lofty standards doesn't make any sense. JET will get back on track.

Your main point was that Ross should get 20 mpg. I disagree, but there will be some games that he can be used for 25-30 minutes effectively, and should be used like that. On a normal night though, facing an opponent who doesn't have a wingman who is hitting everything, Ross doesn't need to get more than 15 minutes unless he plays extremely well on offense, forcing Carlisle to leave him in.

jthig32 · 11-02-2009, 07:23 PM

Jason Terry was flat out fabulous last season. Anyone thinking Ross needs to play 20+ minutes a season at the expense of Terry's minutes (and keeping Jet under 30mpg) must not have very high hopes for the season.

Underdog · 11-02-2009, 07:25 PM

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Jason Terry was flat out fabulous last season.

The 6th Man Award is severely overrated...

Thespiralgoeson · 11-02-2009, 11:45 PM

Don't any of you give me this sh*t about Terry. Terry will get on track, sure. Then he'll fall right off the damn track again. He's the most streaky, inconsistent player on the team, maybe the whole league.

jthig32 · 11-03-2009, 08:59 AM

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Don't any of you give me this sh*t about Terry. Terry will get on track, sure. Then he'll fall right off the damn track again. He's the most streaky, inconsistent player on the team, maybe the whole league.

Even if that were true (and it's not), the end result is a very efficient scorer. So I'm not really sure what you're complaining about at this point.

DirkFTW · 11-03-2009, 12:07 PM

When Thomas is back???

How about we make the decision easier by allowing someone to just crowbar him back to the IR every couple of weeks? Carroll out; Josh in.

bobatundi · 11-03-2009, 12:19 PM

Thomas renders Carroll (even more) useless on this roster.

As for Josh, I think he takes Roddy's spot for now, so the rook can get some burn in the D-league; as the season progresses and we see how guys like Gooden, Singleton & Hump are doing, I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the bigs de-activated and the little guy called back up.

mavsfan1000 · 11-03-2009, 12:37 PM

How about we talk about the starting lineup.
I would like to see this lineup.
Dirk
Marion
Howard
Ross
Kidd
I think our lack of scoring at the guards will need to be replaced with scoring in the frontcourt. Thus I like this lineup.

mavsmanic · 11-03-2009, 03:34 PM

No way we start Dirk at center. I have watched all games this season and noticed that the team plays better with Dampier in the game. Even against washington, the game stayed close when Dampier was on the court. Dampier usually takes the blame for most of the mavericks losses but never gets credit when he plays well.

SMC0007 · 11-03-2009, 04:41 PM

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No way we start Dirk at center. I have watched all games this season and noticed that the team plays better with Dampier in the game. Even against washington, the game stayed close when Dampier was on the court. Dampier usually takes the blame for most of the mavericks losses but never gets credit when he plays well.

Sure he gets credit for good games. It's just hard to remember since it happens about 8 of 82 games.

LonghornDub · 11-03-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Don't any of you give me this sh*t about Terry. Terry will get on track, sure. Then he'll fall right off the damn track again. He's the most streaky, inconsistent player on the team, maybe the whole league.

Classic example of a fan being more attuned to the weaknesses of his team's players than other teams'. Terry is far more efficient and far less streaky than a ton of similarly situated players on other teams.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-03-2009, 06:33 PM

And even when Terry is off, he hits clutch shots. His shot has been off so far this season, but he is mixing it up a bit with a little D and attacking the basket.

You know, I'll take 1000 appreciation threads over people who just find any reason to complain. I don't like Damp, but there isn't anything to complain about his game so far this season. I'm not going to rail him saying "oh well, we all know he is going to fail so what is the point"....seriously, go get laid or something.

dude1394 · 11-16-2009, 03:54 PM

I'm re-voting my carroll/singleton prediction. I would be very surprised to see roddy go down now, maybe ross, but I think singleton gets caught up in the tim thomas numbers.

jthig32 · 11-16-2009, 04:19 PM

It's going to be so long before Josh is back, who knows what changes by then. Drew Gooden may not even be on the team by then.

I still think Roddy's playing time completely dries up when the entire roster is healthy, but I feel less sure about that than I did two weeks ago.