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mavs777 · 04-29-2010, 08:03 PM

I honestly cannot remember such a biased officiated game in my life

Dirkadirkastan · 04-29-2010, 08:05 PM

I don't know, but the Ginobili School of Flopping apparently gave out scholarships for Jefferson and Hill.

tcat075 · 04-29-2010, 08:05 PM

Remember game 4? Much worse. This is bad, but on par with the rest of the series. If it happens the rest of the game? Maybe. But as of right now game 4 was clearly worse.

Thomas86 · 04-29-2010, 08:09 PM

Is is safe to call the Spurs the "San Antonio STERNS" again?

CadBane · 04-29-2010, 08:26 PM

I told you guys three minutes in game was rigged. It's that obvious. But don't worry, soon Jthing and co will be here to tell you how the Mavs should have overcame literally every call, or how the officiating wasn't bad at all because they think saying that makes them "classy" fans.

iggymcfly · 04-29-2010, 08:27 PM

Meh, the charge on Roddy right after he came in and the T on Butler were bullshit, but for the most part the Mavs have just been committing a bunch of dumb fouls. Every single call on Dirk was 100% legit.

BGMaverick9 · 04-29-2010, 08:27 PM

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=2981

CadBane · 04-29-2010, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by iggymcfly

Meh, the charge on Roddy right after he came in and the T on Butler were bullshit, but for the most part the Mavs have just been committing a bunch of dumb fouls. Every single call on Dirk was 100% legit.

And there it is, HAHA.

Dirk committed TWO actual fouls.

The 2nd call on Duncan, he barely touched him. Especially after Dice AND Duncan are pushing him in the back with both hands? No sir. No sir.

4th foul, Hill reached out and grabbed his arm.

Fidel · 04-29-2010, 08:29 PM

So glad I´m not watching. I like Dirk and the Mavs way too much. This wouldn´t be good for my heart and maybe my furniture or some window. 3 fouls on Dirk in 1:15? Not even scrubs get such treatment. Anyways I´m back to baseball.

mavs777 · 04-29-2010, 08:32 PM

wrong thread

pimptaddy · 04-29-2010, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

I honestly cannot remember such a biased officiated game in my life

game 6 of the 2002 wcf was worse... the mavs vs heat finals was worse.

Robofuzz · 04-29-2010, 10:21 PM

LOL whatever

Wawaweewa · 04-29-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

I honestly cannot remember such a biased officiated game in my life

It happened not too long ago, don't you remember game 1? 34-14? Mavs shouldn't have even been in this game.

TiMVP2 · 04-29-2010, 10:29 PM

A lot. The refs also made Mavs miss their shots, and gave Spurs the ability to play good offense. They're damn powerful.

dalger · 04-29-2010, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

And there it is, HAHA.

Dirk committed TWO actual fouls.

The 2nd call on Duncan, he barely touched him. Especially after Dice AND Duncan are pushing him in the back with both hands? No sir. No sir.

4th foul, Hill reached out and grabbed his arm.

He DID touch Duncan, who nicely sold it, and the 4th foul was an offer he made and Hill smartly grabbed it, literally.

We did have chances to win this game after taking the lead in the 3rd quarter. We did have chances to win at least one of the other road games as they were really close. We didn't protect homecourt. We relied on JJB and Roddy to bail us out during certain games since too many starters showed their inconsistency, just like JET did again tonight. Carlisle made some questionable decisions, e.g. not playing Roddy more during the 4th quarter in tonight's game.

Blaming every single loss in this series on the officiating, as you do all the time, is just one-sided.

latham · 04-30-2010, 02:23 PM

I thought the first half was called very one-sided. Touch fouls were being called on the mavs and nothing was being called the other way (Dirk was getting hit a lot, but they don't call fouls on duncan). Bad offensive fouls that just gave the spurs more possessions.

2nd half I felt was called much more equally.

Really after watching this game it just made me not like basketball as much (And I have watched since a little kid). It just goes to show that if you act or grab someones arm you will get the call. This game is now built around being over dramatic and playing things off, which should have nothing to do with basketball. Throw in some instant replay for anything questionable to make the game fair imo. I don't care if it slows the game down, it should be officiated to the best of their ability.

The Mavs had their chance in the 2nd half, so I'm not going to blame this on the refs, but there were definitely some messed up calls. A charge and T on Butler top of the list. If butler would of pushed off that would of been one thing, but he simply put up his arm for an impact. Once again good acting. WHY IS ACTING PART OF BASKETBALL!?!?!

mavssuckok · 04-30-2010, 02:58 PM

I've never owned a refrigerator before.

elec99 · 04-30-2010, 03:03 PM

Why was the second half called better? Cause thats when they got it together offensively and actually scored some major points? I guess games 1 and 5 were officiated well because mavs win when thats the case, and if they do lose then it must be the officiating.

I guess the refs were also on denver's side last year too.

dirkslovechild · 04-30-2010, 03:25 PM

3/4 first half fouls on Dirk were legit. Hated the "push" on Duncan in the post. That was utter BS. And the offensive interference by Duncan looked so damn blatant that I couldn't believe they missed it in real time, and sure enough the replay showed that they botched the call. Another call was in the first half where Butler drove and Duncan made contact with his entire body to get the block. It was such a missed call and then the Spurs were getting and 1's for getting their jersey brushed on the other end.

Just sucks that Cuban=deck stacked against the Mavs, but I feel that game last night was going to the Spurs either way. Sad.

92bDad · 04-30-2010, 03:26 PM

There's an easy way to fix it...

Stop watching or attending Mavs and/or NBA Games.

as long as we the fans show up and pay, then stern will never change.

They don't care that we voice our opinion as fans...and hey, if the guys who play, coach, own or otherwise participate in the league, then the NBA is more than happy to collect fines for charitable contributions.

I'm as guilty as the next guy/gal...I get suckered into this league and actually start believing that the conspiracies are just that...words...but then I watch and the more I watch the more I see the corruption...

I stayed away from baseball for a few years...I may have to do the same with the NBA.

Again, I am reminded that the NBA is the team sports version of the WWF...it's all entertainment where the outcome is pre-determined!!!

ribosoma · 04-30-2010, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by elec99

Why was the second half called better? Cause thats when they got it together offensively and actually scored some major points? I guess games 1 and 5 were officiated well because mavs win when thats the case, and if they do lose then it must be the officiating.

I guess the refs were also on denver's side last year too.

It doesn't help to have an owner who picks fights with the league he is technically a part of every time his team loses. That does have an impact. Even if the refs try to get past it, they are human. And every time Cubes screams from the sideline that the officiating sucks, he hurts the team. The last thing you want as a coach is for your players to get caught up in the officiating. Here, the owner acts like a complete baby and sets a horrible example. The flaws on this team have been obvious for several years now, and the refs have nothing to do with them.

CadBane · 04-30-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by elec99

Why was the second half called better? Cause thats when they got it together offensively and actually scored some major points? I guess games 1 and 5 were officiated well because mavs win when thats the case, and if they do lose then it must be the officiating.

I guess the refs were also on denver's side last year too.

No, the second half was officiated better because they actually called a loose ball foul when Dice mugged Dirk. That same play happened half a dozen times in the first half and was never called. You think it's coincidence that the Spurs get EVERY call in the first half, then the second half is officiated fairly...UNTIL the Mavs get too close, then the shaftola comes back (absolute PHANTOM and 1 for Duncan, Duncan offensive interference no call, Parker grabbing Roddy's arm for the "steal")? Must be nice to live in a city of delusion.

tcat075 · 04-30-2010, 04:41 PM

The worst call of the night, and of the series, and perhaps of the year? Manu getting that charge on Roddy early in the second. Watch the replay, and MANU LEAVES HIS FEET AND JUMPS INTO RODDY. I am not joking AT ALL. If you still have the game recorded (don't blame you if you don't) go back, find that play, and then jump and find the replay of it. Hopefully, you saw it in the game and know what I'm talking about, but I've have never, EVER seen a player JUMP INTO another one and get the foul call. Even a vet against a rook. Even then.

GermanDunk · 04-30-2010, 04:49 PM

As Dirka mentioned. There is no need for the NBA to put questionable refs on certain games. But sensitivity obviously is a word not known to all @ the NBA headquarter

tcat075 · 04-30-2010, 05:12 PM

Warning: Long read. Really poured my emotions out on the refs, but I'll try to shut up about them from now on. At least keep it to this thread. The refs didn't lose, the Mavs did. Anyway, he we go...

As CadBane mentioned, just above, there was also one sequence which just absolutely killed us in the 2nd half. The and-1 on Duncan was several minutes before, and though total garbage (I literally don't think Damp touched him) Duncan did miss the free throw. Ball Don't Lie, I suppose.

But the three back to back to back which absolutely killed our momentum and I think caused us to be down by about 7 instead of 2-3 at the end of the 3rd. I encourage any Spurs fans to read this with an open mind -- this is not about who the better team was or anything. I'm not saying the Spurs should have lost in the post, just that the refs did not have a good game. It all started with the aforementioned Duncan tip in. Clearly a poor call, as I think everyone should agree.

The next call was a strip by Kidd, the ball is loose, and Kidd moves to pass it to Roddy whose streaking wide open down the floor ahead of the one guard who was in the backcourt. But Parker, being stripped, had fallen down, and his legs had hit Kidd, impeding his progress. It was incidental contact, I have no doubts about. I'm not saying that Parker's a dirty player. However, if you impede another player trying to get to the ball, its a foul. It this cause, it should have been either holding or tripping. Something. Instead, Kidd gets caught up and stumbles because Parker's leg is in his chest, and hits the ball with his knee. It caroms to Hill, and Roddy comes back and is called for a touch foul. Terrible series of events, that had the chance to be a open court dunk by Roddy and ended up, after a terrible foul and a questionable foul, being two free throws for Hill.

The last call, with probably 30 seconds left or so in the half, was a mugging of Dirk. He has the ball in the high post, probably against McDyess. McDyess played Dirk well, forced him to spin away, and Ginobili came over to help. Initially, I thought that they reached in and hit him in the arm, but rewatching it, it looked like they both had their hands up and any contact was initiated by Dirk. However, as Dirk passed the ball, Manu jumps up to contest, and he comes down with his hand across Dirk's face, knocking him down (perhaps a flop, but being hit in the face is being hit in the face...its a foul). The pass ended up tipped a the Spurs score on a fast break. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt on that they didn't reach in, because there is never a replay, but it is a clear as day that Ginobili ends up coming down and whacking Dirk in the face.

There are four bad calls. Not spread throughout the game, but all four coming during a crucial stretch of the game where offenses were clicking and those no calls or calls really hurt the Mavs momentum. There were other calls...the Ginobili jump charge, as I mentioned above. The Butler technicle...debatable, but I don't believe Butler had any bad intentions about doing that...even my dad, who hates the NBA because of the reffing but is a closet Spurs fan agreed that it was very questionable. Roddy was hit right on the wrist on one of his late turnovers. And people went over the back and shoving him just like they had all series. And there are dozen of calls that were called one was on one side and the other way on the Spurs side.

This is an argument stating the refs for bad, and that's all I'm saying. The refs were bad. They missed a lot of calls, and more went against the Mavericks than the Spurs. Each had our share of poor calls, but I think the best way to tell that the Mavericks got the short end was that we are acting like this was a 2006 Finals repeat, and the Spurs are saying it was about even. Homerism always effect opinion on the refs, so tone down each opinion one notch and you've got what really happened. Mavs got some bad calls, and Spurs fans probably know in their heart that they got a little bit lucky throughout the series.

To close out, I just have to emphasis this once more: The Mavs should have won despite the refs. They shouldn't have had terrible 1st quarters, shooting under 30% and scoring 8 points, or 15 points, or whatever. They shouldn't have had to constantly be behind, and they should have picked another player besides George Hill to kill them. And overall, the Spurs were a better team, even though those refs sure helped even the game. If the Mavs had played their personnel correctly, if Roddy had got more minutes, if Butler had got fired up sooner, if this, if that, yes, I think the Mavs would have been the better team. But in the end, the Mavs were worse than the Spurs because they were outcoached by the Spurs. And sometimes, that's not a reflection on Carlisle, as some people want to make it, but a reflection on Pop, whose just damn good.

Ryuujin · 04-30-2010, 05:39 PM

A lot of Maverick fans are blaming the loss on the refs and I need to say some stuff.

For some of the things you guys are wanting to be called on the Spurs, the same thing can be said for the Mavericks. They were also playing physical. You cannot expect the refs to call every single little touch. Otherwise the game would only be about free throws.

I think Najera and Terry are to blame. If Terry would keep his mouth shut and stop talking about bringin physicality, perhaps the refs won't pay much attention to the Mavericks. If Najera doesn't cause 2 flagrants in 2 games, perhaps the refs wouldn't pay as much attention to the physicality.

Can you really blame the refs knowing this? I know that if the Spurs were talking about bringing some violence I would expect the game to be called against them because they are drawing attention to themselves.

You can put the blame on Terry and Najera for the increased attention to the Mavericks.

Ninkobei · 04-30-2010, 06:19 PM

Sorry, I'm siding with Norm on this one.. you cant blame the refs for the losses. Quit whining about it. The mavs were just pathetic in the first half and there is no amount of bickering that will change that. The refs did their job. There were bad calls on both sides.

tcat075 · 05-01-2010, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryuujin

A lot of Maverick fans are blaming the loss on the refs and I need to say some stuff.

For some of the things you guys are wanting to be called on the Spurs, the same thing can be said for the Mavericks. They were also playing physical. You cannot expect the refs to call every single little touch. Otherwise the game would only be about free throws.

I think Najera and Terry are to blame. If Terry would keep his mouth shut and stop talking about bringin physicality, perhaps the refs won't pay much attention to the Mavericks. If Najera doesn't cause 2 flagrants in 2 games, perhaps the refs wouldn't pay as much attention to the physicality.

Can you really blame the refs knowing this? I know that if the Spurs were talking about bringing some violence I would expect the game to be called against them because they are drawing attention to themselves.

You can put the blame on Terry and Najera for the increased attention to the Mavericks.

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Originally Posted by Ninkobei

Sorry, I'm siding with Norm on this one.. you cant blame the refs for the losses. Quit whining about it. The mavs were just pathetic in the first half and there is no amount of bickering that will change that. The refs did their job. There were bad calls on both sides.

I get your talking to everyone, not just me, but if you read my essay in the post above I repeat several times I don't blame the refs for the loss. And I think a lot of the users here the way I do: The refs were terrible and if they had been better the Mavs might of won, even though the Mavs played terribly and deserved to lose.

BigJoeD · 05-01-2010, 03:57 PM

It definately wasn't the refs fault for losing. They didn't make Kidd shot 30 percent for the series. I saw a lot of bad calls on both sides. We need to stop making excuses for this team. They played like shit this series.

BigJoeD · 05-01-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryuujin

A lot of Maverick fans are blaming the loss on the refs and I need to say some stuff.

For some of the things you guys are wanting to be called on the Spurs, the same thing can be said for the Mavericks. They were also playing physical. You cannot expect the refs to call every single little touch. Otherwise the game would only be about free throws.

I think Najera and Terry are to blame. If Terry would keep his mouth shut and stop talking about bringin physicality, perhaps the refs won't pay much attention to the Mavericks. If Najera doesn't cause 2 flagrants in 2 games, perhaps the refs wouldn't pay as much attention to the physicality.

Can you really blame the refs knowing this? I know that if the Spurs were talking about bringing some violence I would expect the game to be called against them because they are drawing attention to themselves.

You can put the blame on Terry and Najera for the increased attention to the Mavericks.

That's starts at the owner then the coach. Make them keep their mouths shut. You can't blame the refs like u said. They r still only human. Shit I'd do the same thing. You prove your toughness by just freaking winning and and whinning.

Dirkules41 · 05-01-2010, 05:50 PM

Sorry to say that but we cant blame the refs for that, blame the coach and the team. And I dont think that the nba is fixed! Cant hear that anymore, sry guys!

mavsfan1000 · 05-01-2010, 05:56 PM

We can complain about both the refs and the rotations. Both are legit reasons to gripe.

BigJoeD · 05-01-2010, 06:22 PM

Jesus Mavsfan1000 u sound like my 5 year old always finding fault in something else. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR THIS TEAM!!!

Do you honestly think the NBA wants to see any small market teams make the finals??? Stop your whinning already.

druid4rest · 05-01-2010, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

I honestly cannot remember such a biased officiated game in my life

There is always excuses, lets just face it, the spurs are the better team and they always have been. As arrogant and as dirty as we are, we would have thought we won a championship before. Now lets enjoy watching the spurs again for the rest of the playoffs............Good night now!:

ribosoma · 05-01-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

We can complain about both the refs and the rotations. Both are legit reasons to gripe.

Blaming the officials is petty, but at least you aren't blaming Dirk and his lack of "swagger."

mavsfan1000 · 05-01-2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigJoeD

Jesus Mavsfan1000 u sound like my 5 year old always finding fault in something else. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR THIS TEAM!!!

Do you honestly think the NBA wants to see any small market teams make the finals??? Stop your whinning already.

Excuses? Where are the excuses? lol at the conspiracy stuff.

BigJoeD · 05-02-2010, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Excuses? Where are the excuses? lol at the conspiracy stuff.

Dude your excuse is blaming the freaking refs. That's your consipracy. Blame the coach blame the players but get off the refs. They lost as a team. No one person to blame. I hate the refs as much as anyone but I do honestly think they do the best they can.

mavsfan1000 · 05-02-2010, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BigJoeD

Dude your excuse is blaming the freaking refs. That's your consipracy. Blame the coach blame the players but get off the refs. They lost as a team. No one person to blame. I hate the refs as much as anyone but I do honestly think they do the best they can.

I didn't say it was a conspiracy. Putting words in my mouth idiot. I just don't think Crawford likes us and they got sucked in on the momentum of games and made it even bigger with the home crowd cheering them on.

BigJoeD · 05-02-2010, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

I didn't say it was a conspiracy. Putting words in my mouth idiot. I just don't think Crawford likes us and they got sucked in on the momentum of games and made it even bigger with the home crowd cheering them on.

no need for name calling BUT why r u the only one in here bitching about the refs?? Grow up!!

tcat075 · 05-02-2010, 02:10 PM

Settle the f down, people. The only person on this board who I've seen actually claim the refs were the sole reason we lost and that there is a full blown conspiracy in the NBA to make the Mavericks lose in the playoffs is CadBane.

Everyone else, including mavsfan1000 here, has said that both the refs and the Mavs were bad. I have said the refs and the Mavs were bad. I don't think the Mavs deserved to win the way they played, but I also don't believe that the refereeing was on the level it should have been when we are talking about the playoffs were every game counts.

In the end, the right team lost. I believe that. In the end, the refereeing was horrible and more calls went against the Mavs than the Spurs, causing the series to be a bigger victory for the Spurs than it otherwise should have and perhaps preventing the Mavs from winning (Even though they didn't deserve it, basically they eke it out with some luck and HCA).

Those two statements can go together.