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Old 12-05-2003, 07:52 AM   #1
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Old 12-05-2003, 08:23 AM   #3
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MavsKiki apparently has TOO MUCH Time on his hands.... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]



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I cant believe this bullcrap. Im no homer, but this Nellie bashing is just trendy about now.
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I cant believe this bullcrap. Im no homer, but this Nellie bashing is just trendy about now.

Not trendy about now. The problems with Nellie have been well documented for a long time on this board. But when you seen 0, as in ZERO, improvement in the most problematic of areas year and year and now despite a great talent infusion. The same bad habits. The same mistakes. The same lack of preparation for his team against the Lakers.

Just how long does one have to screw up for it not to be trendy to bash them?
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one loss against LA and there are suddenly 5-6 threads talking about how bad Nellie is for this team. We lost to a team that is 16-3, guys.

We played against 4 players who are/were allstars without Dirk Nowitzki- we came into this game undermanned and we played our heart out. We have more half-court presence, we are better rebounding, and we are better defensively.

Missing open shots doesnt mean a thing.
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I cant believe this bullcrap. Im no homer, but this Nellie bashing is just trendy about now.
This correspondent's response to Nellie is hardly confined to last night's "coaching" "performance". So one could scarcely call it "trendy".

As for the offended party's comment, I could only suggest that an analysis of last night's coaching decisions and/or player performances would offer a more compelling defense than a petulant yelp of indignation.

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Yes it speaks volumes to the mental preparation or lack there of that the coaching staff did to prepare the players for last nights game.

Erika this is not just one loss. This is a string of losses filled with horrible efforts by the team. Terrible coaching moves. And more generally than not, an almost complete failure to truely compete. After 30 someodd games of this you should at least begin to wonder when it start going over 40 there is no need to wonder.
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I cant believe this bullcrap. Im no homer, but this Nellie bashing is just trendy about now.
I don't agree with Kiki, but it's hardly trendy in his case. He's been on Nellie for a while.
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Yes it speaks volumes to the mental preparation or lack there of that the coaching staff did to prepare the players for last nights game.
Like most, I have a problem with Nellie's starting lineup and his bailing on the team in the 3rd. I can't however see how you blame him for players missing open shots. They worked on shooting all day Wednesday. All Nellie can do is put them in position, players have to make shots. If the coaching staff didn't prepare them, why did Nash go for 30? Did the staff prepare him and not the rest of the team? I don't like Nellie's negativity, but Fin makes 17 mil per year. If he needs his coach to pat him on the ass and reassure him in order to make shots then that speaks more to the player then the coach.

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wait wait wait Kiki, you say that I am providing nothing but an emotional response? This coming from someone who posted the instructions for castrating chickens on a thread?
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I cant believe this bullcrap. Im no homer, but this Nellie bashing is just trendy about now.

Not trendy about now. The problems with Nellie have been well documented for a long time on this board. But when you seen 0, as in ZERO, improvement in the most problematic of areas year and year and now despite a great talent infusion. The same bad habits. The same mistakes. The same lack of preparation for his team against the Lakers.

Just how long does one have to screw up for it not to be trendy to bash them?

Why don't you bash the guy that really screwed up... Finley... Nellie did everything to get HIM going early in that game and Finley didn't even give a cr@p.
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wait wait wait Kiki, you say that I am providing nothing but an emotional response? This coming from someone who posted the instructions for castrating chickens on a thread?
Actually, I say you're providing no content whatsoever, other than to bray occasionally about what someone else has posted (cf your responses to the posts regarding Voshon Leonard's inarguably noteworthy 26-point quarter).

The satirico-parodic posting of the ad for the "Easy-On" Caponizing Set (and I wonder why they called it "Easy-On" when you'd think "Easy-Off" would be more accurate) was hardly emotional or reactionary.

I considered at some length what effect Nellie has had on the Mavericks over the last couple of years, and I think that emotional castration is a poetically apt description--from his pointless abuse of Mantis a couple of years back, to his abject misuse of LaF last year, to his idiotic championing-and-then-pooh-poohing of Fortson, to last night's pointless, gutless, balless, uber-loser gesture of getting his Fat Bastard ass sent to the lockerroom.

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1st of all nellie didn't do Shit to get Finley going unless starting Fin at the 3 where he is less comfortable and where he's traditionally struggled is called helping him. 2nd of all it didn't appear that Nellie had the team anywhere close to adequately prepared mentally. This serious affected their rhythm and Fin definitely feeds on rhythm and starves when it's not there. It is very rare that I see a coach do as little to help his team as Nellie did last night. If I didn't know better, I might have said that Nellie was purposefully trying to lose the game.

No Fin had a terrible night last night. And he has to take some responsibility for that no matter how inept his coach was. But to blame last nights loss on Fin is inaccurate. Fin was placed in a bad position by his coach. He certainly could have and should have responded better. But the coach bears ultimate responsibility, especailly when he's flat out doing a piss poor job. 20 someodd coaches could have done better.
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Yes it speaks volumes to the mental preparation or lack there of that the coaching staff did to prepare the players for last nights game.
Like most, I have a problem with Nellie's starting lineup and his bailing on the team in the 3rd. I can't however see how you blame him for players missing open shots. They worked on shooting all day Wednesday. All Nellie can do is put them in position, players have to make shots. If the coaching staff didn't prepare them, why did Nash go for 30? Did the staff prepare him and not the rest of the team? I don't like Nellie's negativity, but Fin makes 17 mil per year. If he needs his coach to pat him on the ass and reassure him in order to make shots then that speaks more to the player then the coach.
Dirno I don't blame him for the players missing shots directly. Rather I blame him for not preparing them mentally for the game which contributes to missing shots. I also blame him for placing players in roles and situations where they are less likely to make shots. It is certainly not all Nellie's fault that we're shooting horrible, but you're either part of the problem or part of the solution. I see Nellie as a big part of the problem.
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If Dirk had had his number called repeatedly the way Fin did las night we would have blown the Lakers out. But Fin had his number called and plays ran for him and MISSED every shot causing US to get blown out. Fin was supposed to be our leader on the floor last night with Dirk gone and Fin didn't even show up until the game was over. Fin is the chicken.
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If Dirk had had his number called repeatedly the way Fin did las night we would have blown the Lakers out. But Fin had his number called and plays ran for him and MISSED every shot causing US to get blown out. Fin was supposed to be our leader on the floor last night with Dirk gone and Fin didn't even show up until the game was over. Fin is the chicken.

Dirk has had horrid shooting nights as well, just not as many. And Nellie was a dumbass to keep going to Fin if he was missing.
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Dirk has had horrid shooting nights as well, just not as many. And Nellie was a dumbass to keep going to Fin if he was missing.
Finley missed tons of WIDE open shots and let Payton absolutley blow by him every single time to open that game. It was sickening. Finley should be benched after that game.
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Finley missed tons of WIDE open shots and let Payton absolutley blow by him every single time to open that game. It was sickening. Finley should be benched after that game.
That's a decision that the new coach can make if the wants to.

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MAvskiki- you think that bashing Nellie gives you originality? I hardly think posting instructions for castrating a chicken makes you original.

I am somehow unoriginal because I defend Nellie and try to balance the discourse which is dominated by only two people?

you are full of crap. What have you added to this dissourse? Have you read my other posts? I have been arguing real issues and so far I have not come across a single original argument for why Nellie should go. That is where I came up with my argument for knee jerking- and over months I have noticed that at every little setback all the posts pop up and you seem to pop up with your anti-nellie threads. ITs funny that you werent around when we beat the Spurs or when we are winning. Im not calling you trendy- I just dont think you are justified. It is the trend of people to be dissatisfied with this team when we lose that is trendy.

Are you trying to be offensive? Calling my posts "braying" "unoriginal"? Personal attacks and emotionall reactive posts of castrating chickens- that is not adding anything to the site. Please do not talk crap about me again.
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Are you trying to be offensive? Calling my posts "braying" "unoriginal"? ...
...I am somehow unoriginal because I defend Nellie and try to balance the discourse which is dominated by only two people?
I don't believe I said "unoriginal" per se, but I do acknowledge the use of "braying". I would consider editing that post to read "shrill bleating" if you asked nicely.

And if you find "..only two people.." to be "dominating" the "discourse" about Nellie's "performance" last night, then I suspect that any analysis that you might eventually deign to offer would be interesting, though not for its accuracy.

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This, however, is a remarkably novel and original utterance, as notable for its creativity as for its lack of elaboration.

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...I have noticed that at every little setback all the posts pop up ...
You've noticed a series of setbacks too? Interesting. And yet your optimism endures. You are a true Maverick fan, and should be commended. I'm sure it means something deeply flattering about your character.

I have been out of town for parts of 5 of the last 7 weeks, so I have perhaps contributed less consistently than some. But at the same time, I personally have found myself to be drifting somewhat in terms of following the Mavericks. I don't like the direction the team is headed, can hardly stand to watch Walker play, have been somewhat disappointed with what I've seen from Jamison, and sense a significant plateauing, if not outright decline, in the performance of The Big Three.

I've held back commenting on some things in hopes that the Mavericks are in the midst of a temporary one-step-forward, two-steps-back phase that they will somehow manage to turn convert to a two-steps-forward, one-step-back phase come April. And as I wrote, I came to last night's game with almost no expectations, except that the team play hard. Instead, we witness a performance that bespeaks extremely poor team preparation, the responsibility for which I lay at the feet of Nellie; and coaching performance by Nelson that was as cowardly as anything I've ever seen on a basketball court. There were a couple of points of the game were Nelson could've legitimately protested calls--the non-call on Finley early on, for example; and yet he chose to walk off the floor at a meaningless point in the game, sending a clear message of surrender to his players. This was a questionable ploy in last year's playoff game against the Spurs, but it served absolutely no purpose last night. This is recurring theme with Nellie--losing control and kicking the ball into the stands, when his team needs an example of level-headedness; foolishly locking horns with Joey Crawford in a no-win situation, with only the faintest chance of favorably influencing either his players or the game officials; feebly squawking last night over a trivial non-call, when his team needed to gut through a difficult loss. I feel more and more stronly that his style of leadership will not get this group of players (or perhaps any other) headed in the direction of being a championship team--not this year, not next year, or the year after that. He has a loser's mentality and it shows, time and time again.


I've come about 150 degrees from a couple of years ago when I defended Nellie against Murphy's criticisms, similar, I suspect to the way you are defending Nellie now against mine. But as Parcells commented the other day about the Cowboy's cutting of Derrick Ross, sometimes you look and look and look for signs that an individual will take the necessary steps to get himself (or in this case, the team) headed in the right direction.

For Nellie, that meant acquiring personnel who would significnatly improve the team's defense; establishing a rotation that would make clear what was expected from each player, help each player to understand his role, and put each player in a position to get the most out of his abilities; instill a mental toughness in the team that would help them to play through difficult officiating without futile and distracting complaining; teach his team to approach big games with a winner's mentality, looking for a way to win, rather than fearing the embarrassment of being physically humiliated and beaten. Nellie has done NONE of this to date.

And as Parcells went on to point out regarding Ross, when it becomes clear that an individual is not making any progress on any front to do the things necessary to become better, then it's time to cut losses for both parties and part company. While I don't think it's likely to happen, I think Cuban is going to have to get rid of Nellie to put the team in a position to win. It would be a difficult for Cuban to make, and I'll probably stop watching the Mavericks altogether before Cuban takes such a step. But there is plenty of justification for the opinion that Nellie can't put the Mavericks over the top.


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