An Epiphany - Dallas/NY

[XERXES]

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.6 minutes)
SF Josh Howard (8.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 23.7 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
PG Moochie Norris (3.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 12.8 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -0.6 ppg, +1.4 rpg, and -1.8 apg.

New York trades: C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
PG Moochie Norris (3.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 12.8 minutes)
New York receives: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 82 games)
SF Josh Howard (8.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 67 games)
Change in team outlook: +0.6 ppg, -1.4 rpg, and +1.8 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Why do we do it? We continue to fortify our low post game - especially defensively. Plus we get a PG to p/u some minutes.

NY, on the other hand, covets Walker and adding JHo sweetens the pot.

[Just211]

although I'd Like KT at backup PF, we don't really need Nazr or Moochie enough to give up Howard in this deal. and I like Nazr. But with Booth being here now, IMO Dallas has a decent rotation of defensice 5's, and won't add another unless it's a significant upgrade

[Jamisonite]

Im sorry but just like that NJ deal...i have seen this deal propsed too much

[Evilmav2]

You should write for the New York Post, Xerxes...

[grndmstr_c]

Gack, bleh, flurbleski, ugh!

[sike]

Howard is worth more than Thomas...talking heads suggest that you could get Thomas for for Walker...I think any more moves for center types need to be for a difference maker or not at all....with L8, Bradley, Booth, DJ(not in that order) you have a depth at 5....they dont need any more depth...if they make a move for a 5, it must be for real talent. No more deals just to deal....make the team better.

[EricaLubarsky]

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.6 minutes)
PF Christian Laettner (5.9 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 20.5 minutes)
Dallas receives: PG Frank Williams (3.9 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 2.2 apg in 12.8 minutes)
SG Anfernee Hardaway (9.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.3 apg in 27.6 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +4.3 ppg, 0.0 rpg, and 0.0 apg.

New York trades: PG Frank Williams (3.9 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 2.2 apg in 12.8 minutes)
SG Anfernee Hardaway (9.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.3 apg in 27.6 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
New York receives: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 82 games)
PF Christian Laettner (5.9 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 48 games)
Change in team outlook: -4.3 ppg, 0.0 rpg, and 0.0 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

[Poindexter Einstein]

ERICA .... Mavs send away all their expiring deals and eat major salary in return? I dont think so - especially for THAT set of random junk. Isiah would love this deal, but the Mavs would NEVER go for it. Ewww,yuck.

[EricaLubarsky]

I didnt want it, I was just throwing out a scenario that would be probable.

[XERXES]

Originally posted by: Evilmav2
You should write for the New York Post, Xerxes...

That is a low blow.

Seriously though, I haven't seen another trade proposed, mentioned, or rumored that allows us to:

a) dump Walker
b) attain a serviceable 5
c) attain a serviceable 1

Show me one and I'll do it. Until then give me this one. Regardless of what the FO is saying - I do NOT want to go into this season with Walker on the roster.

[sike]

With the gaggle they have assembled at the 5, sexrex, I dont think they are looking for any more "servceable" bigs...Bradley and Booth are serviciable and dj will be "serviceable" as a backup-backup center and may turn out to be more than that down the road...Thomas would just be lumped into that group and I dont think he would stand out from Bradley so much that acquiring him would be totally beneficial...I am actually "ok" with the center spot as is...give Bradley 20-25 a game, let Booth have all but five minutes of the rest...cause DJ should get a little time here and there. I am crazy to say this??? I could see this group working out well...as one poster said yesterday...it may not be a talent thing at this point, but a chemistry thing...and I think that pair(Bradley and Booth) have proven they can work together well. I think L8 is gone, that is why I did not mention him....the more I think about it, I would not mind them doing a Finley/Walker deal to acquire Vince Carter/trash...but Kurt Thomas...no thanks



"Sir, can I trouble you for a warm glass of milk? It helps me go to sleep.
You can trouble me for a warm glass of shut-the-hell-up. Now, you will go to sleep or I will put you to sleep. Check out the name tag. You're in my world now, grandma."
I know its Ben Stiller but I cant remember the flick.... is it a adam sandler movie???

[XERXES]

Originally posted by: sike
With the gaggle they have assembled at the 5, sexrex, I dont think they are looking for any more "servceable" bigs...Bradley and Booth are serviciable and dj will be "serviceable" as a backup-backup center and may turn out to be more than that down the road...Thomas would just be lumped into that group and I dont think he would stand out from Bradley so much that acquiring him would be totally beneficial...I am actually "ok" with the center spot as is...give Bradley 20-25 a game, let Booth have all but five minutes of the rest...cause DJ should get a little time here and there. I am crazy to say this??? I could see this group working out well...as one poster said yesterday...it may not be a talent thing at this point, but a chemistry thing...and I think that pair(Bradley and Booth) have proven they can work together well. I think L8 is gone, that is why I did not mention him....the more I think about it, I would not mind them doing a Finley/Walker deal to acquire Vince Carter/trash...but Kurt Thomas...no thanks



"Sir, can I trouble you for a warm glass of milk? It helps me go to sleep.
You can trouble me for a warm glass of shut-the-hell-up. Now, you will go to sleep or I will put you to sleep. Check out the name tag. You're in my world now, grandma."
I know its Ben Stiller but I cant remember the flick.... is it a adam sandler movie???

You may be right. I still just don't have much confidence in our low post game. Bradley doesn't get on the floor - he is usually a joke when he does...Seattle thought so highly of Booth that they sent him packing for a 6'8 C who gets 0 PT. I don't know how serviceable it really is.


It's Happy Gillmore...not one of my favorite movies...but one of my all-time favorite lines. I'd like to offer a few psoters a warm glass.

BTW- nice avatar.

[Arne]

To the first Trade: I wonder why in most of the suggested trades in here include Josh Howard!? This guy is a very important piece of our future and I'd rather trade Stackhouse or Walker, than to trade him! He steals the ball, he can defend inside and outside, he blocks shots like no other perimeter-defender and will improve his offensiv-skillz. - That's for sure.

By the way, does anyone know how I could get in the General Forum? It needs a password, doesn't it?

[knowitall]

No password. Just click login.

[knowitall]

I wouldn't trade Howard. I thought the idea was to go young and strong. At least while Dirk is still here.

[PlanoJ]

How about this one:

Dallas trades: Christian Laetner ( 5.9 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 20.5 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.4 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.6 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
PG Jason Terry (16.8 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 5.4 apg in 37.3 minutes)
PF Alan Henderson (4.0 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +6.0 ppg, +1.1 rpg, and +0.3 apg.

New York trades: C Cezary Trybanski (0.1 ppg, 0.1 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.1 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
C Dikembe Mutombo (5.6 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 23.0 minutes)
PF Othella Harrington (4.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.6 minutes)
New York receives: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 82 games)
Change in team outlook: -7.4 ppg, -10.0 rpg, and +1.7 apg.

Atlanta trades: PG Jason Terry (16.8 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 5.4 apg in 37.3 minutes)
PF Alan Henderson (4.0 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.3 minutes)
Atlanta receives: Christian Laetner( 5.9 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 20.5 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 33 games)
C Cezary Trybanski (0.1 ppg, 0.1 rpg, 0.0 apg in 7 games)
C Dikembe Mutombo (5.6 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 65 games)
PF Othella Harrington (4.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 56 games)
Change in team outlook: +1.4 ppg, +8.3 rpg, and -2.0 apg.

New York gets Walker for Thomas and spares

Atlanta fills out their roster with expiring contracts and goes into next offseason with Delk's small contract instead of Terry.

We get Terry and K. Thomas. I know we don't need K Thomas as much now that we have Booth but he would be a good back up PF and another body at center.

[uberfan]

PlanoJ: This has some merit. Several people have commented that JT would be a younger (and healthier) version of NVE. The main thing I have against KT is his age AND length of remaining contract. Henderson's $8 million goes away after this year and may be able to move at trade deadline.

The other problem I see is in this case we trade 3 and get back 3, which would be OK by itself, EXCEPT that Atlanta is one of the few places where we have a chance to trim our roster by moving 2-3 players for a second round pick and TE. LAC is the other.

Edit to clarify who and what I was responding to, PlanoJ's trade idea.

[LRB]

I think the Mavs are more ahead by keeping Howard and cutting Walker than trading walker and Howard for 3 uneeded pieces of NY garbage. We have too many roster spots as it is to trade 2 players for 3. Howard is young and has a tremendous upside and he's cheap. Walker's salary comes off the books next year. We don't need center help any more, unless it's a Big Z or a Shaq, and maybe not even Big Z. KT is really too short for a center and again we have plenty of those. Dirk has the PF position all locked up and we have decent backup there already. Moochie is not the answer at PG.

Sometimes the best trade is no trade at all.

[PlanoJ]

How exactly do we dump some players on Atlanta or Charlotte or whoever? Could we actually get a pick in return for Delk. I was thinking we'd have to entice them to take delk by throwing in cash or a pick. I just can't see why Charlotte or Atlanta would want to pay Delk's contract AND give us a 2nd round pick.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: PlanoJ
How exactly do we dump some players on Atlanta or Charlotte or whoever? Could we actually get a pick in return for Delk. I was thinking we'd have to entice them to take delk by throwing in cash or a pick. I just can't see why Charlotte or Atlanta would want to pay Delk's contract AND give us a 2nd round pick.

I think that we'd have to pay them to take Delk as well. We left him unprotected in the expansion draft and Charlotte didn't take him. If Atlanta wanted Delk they could have asked Charlotte to draft him, but I didn't hear any talk of that. Still if either of them wanted Delk, I'd let them have him for $1 [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[uberfan]

Teams like Atlanta have to fill their roster. They can do it by signing someone at the vet minimum for a year like we did best. They can also do it by taking an expiring contract in trade like Laettner and preserve their cap space next year.

Charlotte has pretty much filled their roster. I think Atlanta and LAC still have roster spots to fill.