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Hire Jimmy Johnson
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10-13-2010, 08:43 AM
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Who should be next Cowboys coach?
Who should Jerry Jones hire for the 2011 season?
1 Keep Wade Phillips
2 Hire Bill Cowher
3 Hire Jimmy Johnson
4 Promote Jason Garrett to Head Coach
5 Hire someone else(3rd party)
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10-13-2010, 08:45 AM
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I voted for Bill Cowher. He would come in and totally change the face and attitude of this organization. I just hope Jerry Jones, would take a back seat for once. Maybe he'll take some tips from his good buddy and best friend dan snyder.
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10-13-2010, 08:52 AM
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I also voted for Cowher...I think Jerry would take a backseat...ok maybe shotgun seat to Cowher...
I think this team needs a another disciplinary, kinda like Parcells, and maybe HE can hold these players accountable for their poor play...
On the other hand Cowher may not even make a difference...I just think this team is not as good as they think...The defense is mos def not as good as they think they are
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10-13-2010, 10:20 AM
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I'd rate cowher ahead of parcells. At leat cowher has won a ring this decade. Plus, he might bring back the mustache. I could see somebody like brooking rocking a mustache.
Look at that follow through. This guy is a winner to me.
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10-13-2010, 02:24 PM
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Re: Cowher
Depends on whether Jerruh's energy and capacity for meddlin' can be re-directed toward boxing matches and tractor pulls at his new rec center or not. A serious coach--one who could actually accomplish something--would not put up with Jerruh's meddlin'. Parcells came on the premise that he would be calling the shots, and as long as Jerruh stayed out of the way, Parcells actually managed to turn the ship around and move the team back in the direction of credibility. Then Jerruh decided he wanted to be involved again and started giving Parcells the T.O.-enema. Now they're stuck with Wade Phillips and his perpetual clueless hangdog expression.
I don't think Cowher is interested in gettin screwed by Jerruh. (At least not for less than $10MM/year.) Cowher IS said to be interested in the NYGiants position if-and-when they decided to pull the trigger on Tom Coughlin. Giants have a well-regarded ownership and GM in place, each of whom stays in their own lane. Seems like it would be easier for Cowher to go to a lmore-traditional, ess-toxic situation like the Giants than to come dance with ol' debbil Jerrruh. But $10MM/year would be a very enticing tune.
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10-15-2010, 10:20 AM
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UNDERDOG should be the next Cowboys Coach!!!
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10-15-2010, 12:11 PM
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for the people that voted "for someone else", who should that be? Or did you just not like the choices?
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10-15-2010, 12:26 PM
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Murphy3 should be their next coach.
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10-17-2010, 09:05 PM
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i hope we can bump this thread when wade doesn't eventually get canned.
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10-17-2010, 10:48 PM
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Jon Gruden.
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10-17-2010, 11:08 PM
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Jon Gruden.
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He's under contract with MNF I think.
Cowher.
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10-18-2010, 12:09 AM
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I believe the transformation is complete...Jerry Jones has now turned into the real Al Davis.
Two storied franchises reaching a bottomless pit. I'm a CFFL, but that doesn't mean that I can call a spade a spade and this organization at the moment is reaching a new low in futility.
Thank you Jerry Jones!!!
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10-18-2010, 01:03 AM
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He's under contract with MNF I think.
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We're not talking about this season are we? Because no matter how terrible the Cowboys are, I just can't see Jerry firing Wade before the season is over, let alone a high-profile coach coming in.
I don't know how long Gruden is under contract for, but I seriously doubt that would be an issue, should Jerry want to hire him next season. People get out of those contracts all the time.
I should clarify, it's not necessarily that I think Gruden is a better coach than Cowher- merely that he would be more likely to be able to co-exist with Jerry.
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10-18-2010, 01:19 AM
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I believe the transformation is complete...Jerry Jones has now turned into the real Al Davis.
Two storied franchises reaching a bottomless pit. I'm a CFFL, but that doesn't mean that I can call a spade a spade and this organization at the moment is reaching a new low in futility.
Thank you Jerry Jones!!!
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Dude, give me a break. Jerry has got a LONG way to go before he even approaches Al Davis. Haven't the Raiders gone through like ten coaches in the last eight years, or something insane like that? I'm as upset about the Cowboys as anybody, but they're nowhere even close to unfathomable clusterf*ck that the Raiders have been since they lost the Superbowl in 2002. The Cowboys have at least had plenty of regular season success in recent years, and most importantly, they still have a roster that is absolutely stacked with Pro-Bowl talent. All this team needs to succeed is a real head coach and some help on the O-Line. With those two things, the Cowboys could be in the damn Superbowl next year. They might be a mess right now, but they're a very easily fixable mess IMO.
The Raiders? They've been the biggest laughing stock in sports for almost a decade. This is the team that used the top pick in the draft on Jamarcus friggin Russell. This is the team whose franchise savior is Jason friggin Campbell. Jerry has plenty of faults, but don't you dare equate him to Al Davis.
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10-18-2010, 07:53 AM
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Dude, give me a break. Jerry has got a LONG way to go before he even approaches Al Davis. Haven't the Raiders gone through like ten coaches in the last eight years, or something insane like that? I'm as upset about the Cowboys as anybody, but they're nowhere even close to unfathomable clusterf*ck that the Raiders have been since they lost the Superbowl in 2002. The Cowboys have at least had plenty of regular season success in recent years, and most importantly, they still have a roster that is absolutely stacked with Pro-Bowl talent. All this team needs to succeed is a real head coach and some help on the O-Line. With those two things, the Cowboys could be in the damn Superbowl next year. They might be a mess right now, but they're a very easily fixable mess IMO.
The Raiders? They've been the biggest laughing stock in sports for almost a decade. This is the team that used the top pick in the draft on Jamarcus friggin Russell. This is the team whose franchise savior is Jason friggin Campbell. Jerry has plenty of faults, but don't you dare equate him to Al Davis.
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Strongly agree here. Jerry is NOTHING like Al Davis other than the fact that they are both outspoken and front and center on their respective teams.
The sexy thing about this offseason (and yes, this year is over) is that many coaches will see just what Spiral pointed out, which is that this is a very easy fix. Someone gets to walk in here, take place in an OL/S-heavy draft, sign a couple of guys, and truly preach discipline and accountability only to watch this group get right back into the playoffs.
The sad thing is that we wasted a home SuperBowl opportunity, but the good thing is that it prevented the Pillsbury Dough Boy from coaching us after this year. Plus, if we finish up 6-10 or some such, we also get a good pick for next year to make our talent level even higher. Someone is going to inherit a wealth of riches as a head coach.
Sure, you have to somehow figure out how to teach guys composure, football intelligence, poise, and discipline (something Parcells struggled to do with most of these guys and Phillips has failed miserably at doing) but if it can be done a guy like Cowher or even Gruden should be able to do it. These are guys with recent Super Bowls to show for their methods and hopefully that will lead to a locker room buying in.
This season is over. I truly have no doubt in saying that. The heart of this team is gone. Not a distant beat. Not on life support. Gone. All that we can hope for is a quick turnaround due to a great draft, free agency period, and head coach signing. Get the right man this time Jerry. It doesn't matter if he wears a cowboy hat and cowboy boots in his off time - sign the right man to lead us to a Super Bowl.
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10-18-2010, 08:14 AM
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10-18-2010, 08:20 AM
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Wade Phillips looks more inept; Cowboys an NFL joke
MINNEAPOLIS – Ask these Cowboys about Wade Phillips and the praise flows.
They defend him. They respect him. They like him.
Too bad you can't tell from their performance.
With each raggedy showing, the players don't act as if they want to keep their head coach around. Their problems are team-wide. They make mistakes in every facet of the game, and their poor coach hasn't figured out how to correct them.
The Cowboys' season – one that began with legitimate conversation about the Super Bowl – continued unraveling Sunday with yet another dreadful performance that featured a litany of mistakes as Minnesota beat Dallas, 24-21.
If it weren't so pathetic, it'd actually be funny.
These Cowboys have become an NFL joke. A late-night punchline for Leno and Letterman. An embarrassment.
And it's not because they don't care. Or don't play hard.
They do.
They just make too many mistakes. No team could overcome the errors these Cowboys make.
"It's a bunch of small things," said DeMarcus Ware, "that have turned into a big problem. If we stop the penalties, we'll win. It's that simple."
Maybe.
The reality is the Cowboys are 1-4 – just like Cleveland, Detroit and San Franciso, each of whom is considered among the dregs of the league.
They're no different.
And it's not going to get any easier, with two games against the streaking Giants , plus games against Green Bay and Jacksonville over the next four weeks.
Only 11 of the last 240 playoff teams have ever made the playoffs after being at least three games under .500 through five weeks. Even Jerry Jones, who owns stock in the company that produces rose-colored glasses, isn't optimistic.
"I'm disappointed. I realize the challenge we've got," Jerry said. "And we're not playing well enough to get it done."
Just so you know, this loss isn't about Tony Romo and his two interceptions.
That's too simplistic.
It's bigger than David Buehler errantly kicking the ball down the middle of the field and Percy Harvin returning it 95 yards for a TD to start the second half.
It's even bigger than Alan Ball's holding penalty that negated Dez Bryant's apparent 34-yard punt return with nine minutes left and the score tied at 21-21.
Instead of having the ball at the Minnesota 42, Dallas took over at its 14. Three plays later, E.J. Henderson's second interception set up Ryan Longwell's game-winning 38-yard field goal.
Those were physical mistakes. You can excuse some of those. The mental mistakes were worse.
You tell me how Miles Austin could get a penalty for excessive celebration – he leapfrogged Roy Williams after his teammate's second-quarter catch – the week after the Jason Witten-Marc Colombo fiasco helped lose a game against Tennessee?
"We need to celebrate after we win a game," Wade said.
You tell me how Doug Free doesn't even get out of his stance, allowing All-Pro Jared Allen – maybe you've heard of him – a clear shot at Romo, resulting in an interception after his pass is deflected.
Ridiculous.
An offensive pass interference penalty by Austin – the call was legitimate – negated his apparent 68-yard touchdown catch.
Dallas had more total yards (314-188), more passing yards (220-118) and more time of possession (32:10-27:50).
The Cowboys also had 11 penalties; the Vikings had five. For the third time this season, the Cowboys had double-digit penalties. They have 23 in the last two games.
A pass interference penalty against Mike Jenkins, who was guilty as sin, allowed Minnesota to convert a third-and-6 with 2:22 left.
End of game. End of season. Jerry knows it. So does Wade. And the players. You can tell from their vibe.
And their words in a gloomy locker room.
"I won't let this team crumble," Bradie James said.
Then there's Roy Williams.
"We're not going to quit," he said. "That might happen at some other places, but not on this team."
Whatever.
We're two weeks from Halloween, and the Rangers are relevant and the Cowboys aren't.
How odd.
Hey, at least the players love their coach. They'll have a swell time at his going-away party, whenever it takes place.
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Doesn't he play for Baltimore?
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10-18-2010, 01:50 PM
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Forget the Coaches, forget the GM/Ownership...does anybody want to motivate this team?
How about the fans and media start questioning the players manhood? Are the current players on the Dallas Cowboys too SOFT to win in the NFL? Then again, if asking them if they are too soft doesn't fire them up...then they wind up answering the question and it's time to scratch the hole thing and start over from scratch.
This team, these players have been over hyped for too long...heck, go back to the year that they had an overwhelming majority of Pro-Bowlers, while the Giants won the Superbowl as a team. Individuals don't always form a team, and Sir Jerry has built an organization of Individuals...
Nothing but frustration with that team and short of challenging each individual player...they are turning into the 90's version of the Dallas Mavericks...they're a joke and only the Owner doesn't live in reality...
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10-18-2010, 02:14 PM
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Forget the Coaches, forget the GM/Ownership...does anybody want to motivate this team?
How about the fans and media start questioning the players manhood? Are the current players on the Dallas Cowboys too SOFT to win in the NFL? Then again, if asking them if they are too soft doesn't fire them up...then they wind up answering the question and it's time to scratch the hole thing and start over from scratch.
This team, these players have been over hyped for too long...heck, go back to the year that they had an overwhelming majority of Pro-Bowlers, while the Giants won the Superbowl as a team. Individuals don't always form a team, and Sir Jerry has built an organization of Individuals...
Nothing but frustration with that team and short of challenging each individual player...they are turning into the 90's version of the Dallas Mavericks...they're a joke and only the Owner doesn't live in reality...
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That Minnesota game hit you harder than most it appears. Bottom line, this is a very talented team and I absolutely know that. That is not and has never been the issue with this team since Romo's arrival. We are simply undisciplined and the coach is not capable of doing anything other than lifting his blubber and coddling these grown men and it is disgusting.
Call these sumanibitches out for their dumb mistakes. Bring in coaches that will make their ass truly hurt the next day for a SINGLE penalty - and God help them if they commit two. Don't hide behind dumb - call it what it is. Fix it, internally first (that is a comment to you Jerry - fire the lame duck NOW and at least give the group more than half a year to mold to their new coach).
I say again, this is not a talent problem (though FS and ST might be the lone exceptions) and is instead a dumb and depth problem. We are too dumb due to poor coaching and we don't have good line depth. That should have been fixed this off season but we only brought dumber players (see Barron) and kept feeding them the dumb (see Wade). This season is lost. Don't lose another one Jerry. Rid us of the dumb.
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Who would have thought even with Hud Houck, that our Oline would become a liability?
I think our defense is also overrated with the exception of Ware, Ratliff, and maybe Mike Jenkins...
Alan Ball and David Buehler is garbage...oh and so is Sensabaugh
Our entire special teams is trash no exceptions...poor Joe Decamillis
We need a new Oline, new secondary, nickel linebacker, new O coordinator, and a new head coach
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Who would have thought even with Hud Houck, that our Oline would become a liability?
I think our defense is also overrated with the exception of Ware, Ratliff, and maybe Mike Jenkins...
Alan Ball and David Buehler is garbage...oh and so is Sensabaugh
Our entire special teams is trash no exceptions...poor Joe Decamillis
We need a new Oline, new secondary, nickel linebacker, new O coordinator, and a new head coach
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Can you really say Jenkins isn't overrated after his past two games? I'm really beginning to wonder if we overrated him last year just because he was getting a few interceptions, something that the rest of our secondary is incapable of. Now that's he's not, are we really seeing what he is?
Buehler's sudden inability to hit touchbacks is puzzling me, but I think the kid will be fine. He went, what, 10/11 in the preseason? I think that's the true indication of his skill, and that when he sucked the first few weeks, it was due to nerves. I hope so, anyway.
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Can you really say Jenkins isn't overrated after his past two games? I'm really beginning to wonder if we overrated him last year just because he was getting a few interceptions, something that the rest of our secondary is incapable of. Now that's he's not, are we really seeing what he is?
Buehler's sudden inability to hit touchbacks is puzzling me, but I think the kid will be fine. He went, what, 10/11 in the preseason? I think that's the true indication of his skill, and that when he sucked the first few weeks, it was due to nerves. I hope so, anyway.
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I think what we're seeing is just an overall collective lack of discipline from the entire team. Give this team a real training camp under a head coach who actually demands effort from his players instead of coddling them and I guarantee you the defense, Jenkins included, will start forcing more turnovers. Same with the offense scoring in the red zone.
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We're not talking about this season are we? Because no matter how terrible the Cowboys are, I just can't see Jerry firing Wade before the season is over, let alone a high-profile coach coming in.
I don't know how long Gruden is under contract for, but I seriously doubt that would be an issue, should Jerry want to hire him next season. People get out of those contracts all the time.
I should clarify, it's not necessarily that I think Gruden is a better coach than Cowher- merely that he would be more likely to be able to co-exist with Jerry.
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at the end of the year is what were talking about. This season is already lost.
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Can you really say Jenkins isn't overrated after his past two games? I'm really beginning to wonder if we overrated him last year just because he was getting a few interceptions, something that the rest of our secondary is incapable of. Now that's he's not, are we really seeing what he is?
Buehler's sudden inability to hit touchbacks is puzzling me, but I think the kid will be fine. He went, what, 10/11 in the preseason? I think that's the true indication of his skill, and that when he sucked the first few weeks, it was due to nerves. I hope so, anyway.
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I think Jenkins is good...he just had a very bad game, and maybe an off year but he is a good physical ball hawking corner, but its hard when you know that if you dont stop the play that Sensabaugh and Ball mos def wont stop the play.
I disagree with Buehler, right now he seems to be mental midget...he has lost leg strength i believe to being over worked, but to be honest he should have never been put in a position to play 2 different positions in the first place and that is on the coaches...whether they know it or not, a field goal kicker and a kickoff kicker has two different mind frames...kickoff kickers are amped and pumped up ready to kick it as far as they can, whereas field goal kicker has to stay cool, calm, and collective. They are almost asking Buehler to become bipolar to keep his job.
What real super bowl contenders go into the season with an un proven field goal kicker?... who wasnt even a good kicker in college.....meanwhile Nick Folk is 14-16 this season and one of those misses was beyond 50+ yards
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Also their linebackers are a joke...Bradie and Brooking cannot cover...and they are just okay against the run
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I think Jenkins is good...he just had a very bad game, and maybe an off year but he is a good physical ball hawking corner, but its hard when you know that if you dont stop the play that Sensabaugh and Ball mos def wont stop the play.
I disagree with Buehler, right now he seems to be mental midget...he has lost leg strength i believe to being over worked, but to be honest he should have never been put in a position to play 2 different positions in the first place and that is on the coaches...whether they know it or not, a field goal kicker and a kickoff kicker has two different mind frames...kickoff kickers are amped and pumped up ready to kick it as far as they can, whereas field goal kicker has to stay cool, calm, and collective. They are almost asking Buehler to become bipolar to keep his job.
What real super bowl contenders go into the season with an un proven field goal kicker?... who wasnt even a good kicker in college.....meanwhile Nick Folk is 14-16 this season and one of those misses was beyond 50+ yards
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You realize that almost all field goal kickers also kick off, right? In fact, we were somewhat chastised for keeping two guys on the active roster last year just so our kickoffs would be longer.
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You realize that almost all field goal kickers also kick off, right? In fact, we were somewhat chastised for keeping two guys on the active roster last year just so our kickoffs would be longer.
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Understood...but almost all those kickers you are talking about are experienced field goal kickers and Buehler is not
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if they think they can program anybody to kick field goals , then why not give Matt McBriar a chance like they gave Buehler
At this point a kicker is the least of their worries
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I think what we're seeing is just an overall collective lack of discipline from the entire team. Give this team a real training camp under a head coach who actually demands effort from his players instead of coddling them and I guarantee you the defense, Jenkins included, will start forcing more turnovers. Same with the offense scoring in the red zone.
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Yeah, I think Jenkins is good too, I was just hypothesizing. Still, saying he's having an "off year" isn't saying much, because its not like Jenkins has a history of "good years". He's had one good season, and one terrible one. I don't think we can look at him quite the same as a vet whose just off to a rough start. I mean, we thought Scandrick was money in his rookie season, but look at where he is right now.
I don't hate Wade, I don't necessarily think he's too light in what he demands as a head coach, but he might be too light in what he demands from this team, who clearly are not the most focused group...to say the least. He's a defensive minded coach, and his responsible is to better than WORST IN THE LEAGUE in forcing turnovers. That's why we're losing games, more than penalties, more than turning the ball over, more than mental errors. We've had a ton of penalties for several years in a row, but we've been good despite them. If we forced turnovers, it wouldn't be as big of a deal when Romo's pass is deflected into the hands of a linebacker.
Its about field position. We are top 5 in offense and defense. Think about that. Top 5 in offense AND defense and we're 1-4. Why? Because we don't get good starting position, drive to the 30, stall, get penalized, and punt. Why? Because we let them take the kick 50 yards, and even though we stop the other team to three and out, they nail a 48 yarder. That's what happens when you don't force turnovers.
edit: Just read this stat: We're 32nd in the league in starting field position. Last. That's ridiculous, and not in a good way.
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Not even going to give them their own thread for this game (glad no one else has either). 38-20 in the middle of the third. It's pathetic even if they managed to win this game....
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10-25-2010, 10:09 PM
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Cowboys season over before Halloween.
Rangers in the World Series.
Rangers have used up all the good karma.
Mavs don't stand a chance this year.
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10-25-2010, 10:12 PM
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They really should have looked at a more adequate backup for Romo ....Kitna is awful
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10-25-2010, 10:44 PM
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I miss Parcells.
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I am almost laughing inside. This just means we pick in the top 5 of every round. If Romo continued to play we would win 5-7 games and have a middle of the round pick. With this - considering the season was pretty much over anyway - we get even more talent to go with a new coaching staff.
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I am almost laughing inside. This just means we pick in the top 5 of every round. If Romo continued to play we would win 5-7 games and have a middle of the round pick. With this - considering the season was pretty much over anyway - we get even more talent to go with a new coaching staff.
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No kidding. Sure, it's painful to watch the Cowboys suck like this, but I'd much rather they lose every game for the rest of the season than they win just enough for Jerry not to fire Wade but still not get even close to the Super Bowl. People say that things sometimes have to get worse before they can get better. This is especially true for the Cowboys.
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Wade is probably breathing a sigh of relief....Now that Tony is out for the season, it would be awkward for Jerry to fire him...I think that Wade stays until the end of the season.
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I am almost laughing inside. This just means we pick in the top 5 of every round. If Romo continued to play we would win 5-7 games and have a middle of the round pick. With this - considering the season was pretty much over anyway - we get even more talent to go with a new coaching staff.
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Would we care more if he rangers were not in the World Series?
I know this is a Cowboy thread but watching the game last nite wasn't as bad only b/c of the Rangers
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Would we care more if he rangers were not in the World Series?
I know this is a Cowboy thread but watching the game last nite wasn't as bad only b/c of the Rangers
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Nah, truthfully I gave up on their season after the loss last week. I was pissed as hell prior to that even with the Rangers in the playoffs. Sure, maybe it removes some of the sting, but the truth of the matter is that even with a win last night and no Romo injury, it would have been a long uphill climb to win the division or even get a wild card spot (1 back in the loss column and 2 back in the win column). One that, if we fell just short of, would give us a middle to late round pick instead of a top 5 pick.
As it stands now, we have the potential to pull a move out of the Spurs' hat and draft a true stud, get Romo back, have a coaching staff that demands excellence and holds people accountable, and truly find ourselves right back in contention for a Super Bowl.
This team is talented. We need safety help and offensive line help primarily (improved DE play and a great ILB would be nice if none of the youth pans out, but I think Lee will for sure). I would LOVE to see a stud OT drafted in the top-5 to team with Free; however, this upcoming draft doesn't really have a T worthy of a top-10 pick.
Maybe a true stud CB that could move Newman to the nickel CB or possibly FS (and limit Scandrick to backup/injury minutes ONLY) to improve our secondary (which was obviously picked to pieces last night) would be a smart way to go. If we did that and then signed a top-tier SS in the offseason (or even spent a top-4 pick on one) we would greatly improve our secondary and, as a direct result, our overall defense.
If we do go defense in the 1st we would almost have to pick an OL with each of the next 3 picks. With that said, considering our high draft pick likelihood, the 2nd round pick is basically a 1st round pick from where we expected to be picking, the 3rd is basically a 2nd, and so on. So considering the first OL might not be selected until pick 15 we might have a good chance at getting whoever would be "our guy" with our 2nd round choice.
A dream scenario for me for rounds 1-4 would be as follows:
1st round: CB - Patrick Peterson/Prince Amukamara (instant starter opposite Jenkins and push Newman to Nickel CB or FS)
2nd round: OT - DeMarcus Love (instant starter at LT or RT)
3rd round: OG - Orlando Franklin (depending on direction with Kosier/Davis and FA, potential starter)
4th round: OG - Stephen Schilling (depth/spot starter)
We could also move down from the top 5 to roughly the 15th pick or so to get the top OT on the board (likely Castonzo or Sherrod) and then look CB or S in the 2nd (or both) while using the 3rd and 4th on internal lineman. Or we could look at FA for both OL and DB help and draft the best players available. A lot of options...
No doubt though, picking in the top 5 is like having two first rounders so we should be greatly improved after next year's draft. Add that with Romo's health and a new coaching staff and there is reason to be excited for 2011 and beyond.
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