Roger Clemens on Mitchel Report?

[Silk Smoov]

Lets see how the media and people try to spin this one.

I am still waiting on A-Rod's name as well... Stay tuned!!!!!!

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

It's funny that Mitchell, the one doing this report is the Director of the Boston Red Sox and he's naming all these "prominant Yankees" LOL.

[Silk Smoov]

Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

It's funny that Mitchell, the one doing this report is the Director of the Boston Red Sox and he's naming all these "prominant Yankees" LOL.

I also noticed the first big leak said that several prominent Yankee past players will be named

Yeah, but the joke is on the Red Sox, because Clemmon is best known with Red Sox and wanted to retire with a Red Sox jersey..

[DOMINATOR]

Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

I also noticed the first big leak said that several prominent Yankee past players will be named

Yeah, but the joke is on the Red Sox, because Clemmon is best known with Red Sox and wanted to retire with a Red Sox jersey..

i thought he wanted to retire a yankee... winning all those rings there.
joke is on red sox because clemens is from their farm. damon is known as a red sox and varitek their captain is supposedly listed. thats like naming jeter for the yankees.
only hit to the yankees is pettitte rest were bought.

nothing surprising about the rest of the names really. im just glad griffey isnt on that list.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Where's the list of names?

Nevermind I found it.

Dissapointed to see Jeff Bagwell on that list.

[mary]

Edited: This is supposedly a bogus list...read new post below.

Brady Anderson
Manny Alexander
Rick Ankiel
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Aaron Boone
Rafael Bettancourt
Bret Boone
Milton Bradley
David Bell
Dante Bichette
Albert Belle
Paul Byrd
Wil Cordero
Ken Caminiti
Mike Cameron
Ramon Castro
Jose and Ozzie Canseco
Roger Clemens
Paxton Crawford
Wilson Delgado
Lenny Dykstra
Johnny Damon
Carl Everett
Kyle Farnsworth
Ryan Franklin
Troy Glaus
Rich Garces
Jason Grimsley
Troy Glaus
Juan Gonzalez
Eric Gagne
Nomar Garciaparra
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Jose Guillen
Jay Gibbons
Juan Gonzalez
Clay Hensley
Jerry Hairston
Felix Heredia, Jr.
Darren Holmes
Wally Joyner
Darryl Kile
Matt Lawton
Raul Mondesi
Mark McGwire
Guillermo Mota
Robert Machado
Damian Moss
Abraham Nunez
Trot Nixon
Jose Offerman
Andy Pettitte
Mark Prior
Neifi Perez
Rafael Palmiero
Albert Pujols
Brian Roberts
Juan Rincon
John Rocker
Pudge Rodriguez
Sammy Sosa
Scott Schoenweiis
David Segui
Alex Sanchez
Gary Sheffield
Miguel Tejada
Julian Tavarez
Fernando Tatis
Mo Vaughn
Jason Varitek
Ismael Valdes
Matt Williams
Kerry Wood.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

A-Rod's name gets stricken from the records.

[mary]

According to Deadspin, the first list they released was not entirely accurate. Here is an update.

Below, a complete list of players mentioned in the Mitchell Report. All the players listed in the section VIII. B.: "Information Regarding Purchases or Use of Performance Enhancing Substances by Players in Major League Baseball" (section 3 is "Radomski¹s Distribution of Performance Enhancing Substances to Major League Baseball Players")

Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan


Section IX. B."Alleged Internet Purchases of Performance Enhancing Substances By Players in Major League Baseball"
Rick Ankiel, Paul Byrd, Jay Gibbons, Troy Glaus, Jose Guillen, Jerry Hairston, Jr., Gary Matthews, Jr., and Scott Schoeneweis, and former players David Bell, Jose Canseco, Jason Grimsley, Darren Holmes, John Rocker, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams, and Steve Woodard."

[dalmations202]

I didn't read a name on any of the lists that would have surprised me.

[DirkFTW]

WTH?!?!?!? BARRY BONDS??????????

[quiet riot act]

team with the most names....

your last place texas rAngers

last in the standings ...first in doping

[Kirobaito]

Originally Posted by quiet riot act

team with the most names....

your last place texas rAngers

last in the standings ...first in doping

Most of the names on the list are only associated with the Rangers. There's actually no one named in the case of using whilst here, besides Hairston and Matthews.

[Dtownsfinest]

I wonder will the media and analyists rip Clemens a new one like they did Barry "The Head" Bonds. Funny how Bonds is public enemy #1. Let's see how they spin this on Clemens. This is also proof the pitchers have been taking steroids so doesn't that even out what he hitters have been doing?

[alby]

Arod=clean
Arod>mlb

I love how Houston just traded 5 players for Tejada... haha!

sucks to be from houston.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Selig injected A-Rod, of course he isnt on that list.

And if A-Rod = baseball then that would mean there'd be no more World Series right? Since he's never going to even get there.

[alby]

who cares. I hope he gets all the money/records lol

[nikeball]

Now arguably the greatest hitter and pitcher in the sport have been found cheating...that is absolutely terrible for the sport. Like with cycling..how do you know if any record is legit?

I for one lost faith in baseball after the strike in the mid 90s (1994?)..It was never the same after that..and it took cheaters (mcgwire & sosa) to bring it back.

[Silk Smoov]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I wonder will the media and analyists rip Clemens a new one like they did Barry "The Head" Bonds. Funny how Bonds is public enemy #1. Let's see how they spin this on Clemens. This is also proof the pitchers have been taking steroids so doesn't that even out what he hitters have been doing?

They have already stopped talking about it I notice they did not even mention the baseless suit threat by Roger as well. Some things NEVER change I hear some of the people saying they would still vote him in by the years he so-called did NOT take HGH. Double standards at the least.

I am still waiting on the A-Rod HGH stuff to come up as well.

[alby]

Clemens juiced
Arod is natural

nikeball, when did you have faith in this sport anyways.. I mean, it's baseball

[Silk Smoov]

Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

They have already stopped talking about it I notice they did not even mention the baseless suit threat by Roger as well. Some things NEVER change I hear some of the people saying they would still vote him in by the years he so-called did NOT take HGH. Double standards at the least.

I am still waiting on the A-Rod HGH stuff to come up as well.

The media has sure put the water on the Rogers fire !!! No talk at all about the biggest story of the year. Go figure!!!

[Silk Smoov]

Here comes another bad day for Clemons. Mark my words. The smoking gun is coming out soon!!!

[Five-ofan]

i find it funny that baseball is beaten up over steroids when everyone knows more nfl players take steroids/hgh than baseball players. Julius peppers, shawn merriman, rodney harrison are all big names that have TESTED POSITIVE for steroids/performance enhancing drugs and no one worries about it.

[MavsX]

This "evidence" will never see the inside of a courtroom. There are serious authenticity issues concerning chain-of-custody. After all this time McNamee suddenly produces this stuff? Where has it been stored, and under what conditions? This "evidence" should be easily impeachable by even an average lawyer---and Clemens does not have an average lawyer. So, if the "evidence" is discounted by its lack of authenticity, that destroys whatever credibility McNamee may have had---and thus ends the case against Clemens.

[Silk Smoov]

In other words, a GUILTY Clemons will be found innocent? I guarantee you this. If it does not go to the courtroom, it will have nothing to do with proof. It will have to do with Clemons not wanting to go under oath. Once Clemons go under oath, he is finished. IMO

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

In other words, a GUILTY Clemons will be found innocent? I guarantee you this. If it does not go to the courtroom, it will have nothing to do with proof. It will have to do with Clemons not wanting to go under oath. Once Clemons go under oath, he is finished. IMO

hes already gone under oath. the point is a syringe and some gauze that a guy claims to have kept for 7 years on the off chance this might happen isnt exactly reliable evidence nor has it kept a suitable chain of custody to be admissable in a court of law. ive never been to a single law class and i could get it thrown out. i promise you roger clemens lawyer is alot better than me.

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

i find it funny that baseball is beaten up over steroids when everyone knows more nfl players take steroids/hgh than baseball players. Julius peppers, shawn merriman, rodney harrison are all big names that have TESTED POSITIVE for steroids/performance enhancing drugs and no one worries about it.

and the reason for this? Baseball is all about numbers. And as much as you'd like to think it's a team game, the numbers are all about individual achievements. people get up in arms about steroids in baseball because it "ruins the integrity of the game". Because there's no way to accurately compare different decades and generations when you factor in steroids.

now, i think this is ridiculous. because even if you simply factor in the workout regimen of baseball players today (without steroids), that makes it impossible to compare generations/decades.

as for football, it's still a team game. a running back can't do anything without his blockers, a QB can't catch his own passes - and even though we had some crazy stats this year (records falling by the patriots' wayside), there's no numbers in the NFL that are a big deal. TD passes for a season (Brady)? Total Touchdowns (Tomlinson)? Total receiving touchdowns in a season (Moss)? Total career passing TDs (Favre)? to me, those simply aren't that big a deal. The only number that's a big deal nowadays is 19-0, and that's a team achievement.

but baseball - it's numbers galore - Strikeouts in a game, home runs in a season, career home runs, etc. Those are all numbers people know by heart - and they're a big deal.

[Silk Smoov]

I wish Clemons would do himself a favor and admit it. He is looking very bad today. Lies after lies on National Television. Clemons has clearly used HGH and steroids. This is a sad day for baseball.

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

as for football, it's still a team game. a running back can't do anything without his blockers, a QB can't catch his own passes - and even though we had some crazy stats this year (records falling by the patriots' wayside), there's no numbers in the NFL that are a big deal. TD passes for a season (Brady)? Total Touchdowns (Tomlinson)? Total receiving touchdowns in a season (Moss)? Total career passing TDs (Favre)? to me, those simply aren't that big a deal. The only number that's a big deal nowadays is 19-0, and that's a team achievement.

but baseball - it's numbers galore - Strikeouts in a game, home runs in a season, career home runs, etc. Those are all numbers people know by heart - and they're a big deal.

Fantasy football owners everywhere cried out in protest.

[Five-ofan]

this is essentially a witch hunt. You are praised for honesty if you admit it, if you dont admit it, you are condemed.

[MavsX]

clemens is cooked. clemens is so finished.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by MavsX

clemens is cooked. clemens is so finished.

i dont think they believe him but how in the hell anyone believes brian mcnamee is beyond me.

edit-clemons may be lying(in fact he probably is) but mcnamee is CLEARLY lying.

[Five-ofan]

waxman is clearly against clemons. kajornski(spelling?) seems to be on clemons side. hes making the mitchel report writer(not mitchel himself) look terrible.

[Silk Smoov]

Since the Federal Investigation under oath, I believe Brian, Pettitte, and the Nanny...

[MavsX]

there is no way mcnamee gave HGH to clemens' wife. That sounds made up.

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by DirkFTW

Fantasy football owners everywhere cried out in protest.

i'm not talking about fantasy sports. I'm talking about numbers/stats in a historical context.

[mary]

Originally Posted by MavsX

there is no way mcnamee gave HGH to clemens' wife. That sounds made up.

Clemens confirmed that Mcnamee did give HGH to his wife.

[Big Boy Laroux]

EDIT: whoops, wrong thread.

[Flacolaco]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

EDIT: whoops, wrong thread.

Roger Clemens will be pleased

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Since the Federal Investigation under oath, I believe Brian, Petite, and the Nanny...

when did a little person enter the discussion?

[horse900703]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Roger Clemens will be pleased

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