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BGMaverick9 · 07-31-2008, 05:48 PM

...you have to pay Don Nelson 6.3 million dollars!

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Don Nelson wins arbitration case against Cuban
5:10 PM Thu, Jul 31, 2008
Todd Davis

Staff writer Eddie Sefko tells us that former Dallas Mavericks coach Don Nelson has won approximatley $6.3 million in his arbitration case with owner Mark Cuban, according to Nelson's attorney John O'Connor. The dispute was over money Nelson was expected to receive from the Ross Perot Jr. era of Mavericks ownership.

fluid.forty.one · 07-31-2008, 06:28 PM

damn.... he's old.

horse900703 · 07-31-2008, 07:29 PM

wow~~~

chumdawg · 07-31-2008, 08:32 PM

Pay heem. Pay that man his money.

I'm sure that Cuban knew all along he'd have to pay him. Don't know why he had to be such a about it. Particularly since Nelson is the one who put his on a pedestal in the first place.

Flacolaco · 07-31-2008, 08:48 PM

u2 has much to teach me.

And I hope Nellie can defend the other teams 2 guard for that kind of money.

chumdawg · 07-31-2008, 08:56 PM

To add injury to insult, Cubes is out another four million or so to the ex-coach who couldn't get a job this offseason.

Now, if the son of a bitch had not outsmarted himself on the Nash negotations, he'd still have those millions he has to pay Avery yet. And he'd have a better basketball team, too!

What a disaster that move continues to be. Shakespeare couldn't write a tragedy so well.

MavsX · 07-31-2008, 09:19 PM

chum should be the negativity moderator.

Murphy3 · 07-31-2008, 09:40 PM

...hopefully this will keep him from buying the Cubs. I know it won't..but I'm tired enough of hearing about Cuban as it is.

jthig32 · 07-31-2008, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

...hopefully this will keep him from buying the Cubs. I know it won't..but I'm tired enough of hearing about Cuban as it is.

Didn't you say in the other thread that him buying the Cubs would be a good thing in your eyes?

Such a paradox.

alby · 08-01-2008, 12:35 AM

Gonna watch Rounders tonight.

He beAt me.

sike · 08-01-2008, 12:39 AM

"I stick it in you"....Johnny M. at his absolute best.

Evilmav2 · 08-01-2008, 02:10 AM

Ex-Mavs coach Nelson wins $6.3M in arbitration against Cuban

By Marc Stein
ESPN.com

Updated: August 1, 2008, 2:11 AM ET

Thursday was Mark Cuban's 50th birthday ... and a day of hearty celebration for Don Nelson.

That's because Thursday was also the day that a Dallas-based arbitrator ruled that Nelson will indeed receive nearly $6.3 million in deferred payments from his time as coach of Cuban's Dallas Mavericks.

Retired judge Glen M. Ashworth rejected Cuban's claims that his former coach should have to forfeit some or all of that amount because he breached his Mavericks contract in returning to the Golden State Warriors.

Ashworth instead ruled heavily in favor of Nelson's breach-of-contract claim against the Mavericks' loquacious owner, dismissing Cuban's counter-claims that Nelson violated a non-compete clause in his contract as a Mavs consultant when he took over as head coach of the Warriors in August 2006. Cuban's contention that Nelson used "confidential information" from his stint as Dallas' coach to lead Golden State to a historic upset of the 67-win Mavericks in the first round of the 2007 playoffs was also rejected.

Yet Cuban insisted after the ruling that "there was no downside" for him to take Nelson to arbitration because he would have been required to pay a similar amount to Nelson even if they had parted amicably.

"I got exactly what I wanted out of the deal -- the true facts of the situation," Cuban said via e-mail. "I feel a lot better knowing that under oath [Nelson] said that [during Dallas' NBA] Finals games [in 2006] that he was meeting with [Golden State's] GM and helping the Warriors work on their draft plans. [And] that he and his lawyers had started discussions more than a month before he took the job, not days as he said publicly.

"Unfortunately, according to the arbitrator, because I held back about $25,000 in [consulting] payments as I tried to understand the situation, I am obligated to pay him the deferred money he was to be paid. Basically I pay him the exact same amount I would [have paid him] had this not happened.

"I can live with that. It was all worth the hassle to find out what really happened."

Ex-Mavs coach Don Nelson (right, with Mark Cuban during the 2001-02 regular season) officially won his arbitration case against Cuban Friday for $6.3 million in deferred payments.

Nelson's lawyer, San Francisco-based John O'Connor, had a different view, calling Ashworth's decision "not so much a legal defeat for Cuban as it was an old-fashioned ass-whuppin'." According to O'Connor, Nelson must now receive $6,276,638.46 in one lump sum from Cuban as opposed to gradual payments through 2012.

The ruling granted Nelson, who turned 68 in May, just under $1.96 million in overdue deferred compensation, nearly $147,000 in interest on overdue payments and almost $4.2 million in present-day value of future deferred compensation to reach that total.

Reached at his offseason home in Maui, Nelson told ESPN.com: "It's a good day. I'm relieved it ended the way it did. I didn't think I would lose and I didn't think he would win, but you just never know when you go to court.

"It was kind of a silly case. It's like a pimple on his behind for [Cuban], but [$6-plus million is] a big number for me. I don't feel like I've won the lottery because I've already earned that money, but it's good to know I'm going to get it.

"It's not the way I wanted this to go. I wanted to be the Red Auerbach of the Dallas Mavericks [after coaching], but that's not what [Cuban] wanted. The good news is all this has forced me to continue coaching and I'm really enjoying working with Mully [Warriors vice president of basketball operations Chris Mullin] and being back with the Warriors. I'm having fun again and that's the way it should be. It's all working out great and I'll probably end up doing something [in a franchise patriarch role] like I thought I was going to do in Dallas."

Ashworth's ruling came just over a month after Nelson and Cuban -- who were barely on speaking terms in Nelson's final months with the franchise -- were reunited for three days' worth of testimony at an arbitration hearing in Dallas in June. Nelson said he and Cuban had limited interaction at the hearing beyond a few awkward meetings "in the men's room."

The Cuban-Nelson relationship -- after they combined with stars Dirk Nowitzki, Steve Nash and Michael Finley to transform the NBA's laughingstock franchise of the 1990s into a perennial 50-win team -- began to unravel during the 2003 Western Conference finals. They clashed over Nelson's reluctance to play Nowitzki again in that series after the 7-footer suffered a knee injury in a Game 3 loss to the San Antonio Spurs, leading to a showdown before what wound up as a crushing Game 6 defeat at home in which Nelson told Cuban that he would have to fire Nelson if he wanted Nowitzki to play.

The relationship deteriorated further during that off-season, thanks to contentious contract negotiations which ultimately resulted in Nelson agreeing to coach the Mavericks for three more seasons and serve as a consultant for five years beyond that. But the relationship only got worse when Nelson stunned his players and his boss by abruptly canceling practice before the Game 5 in Sacramento that eliminated the Mavericks in the first round of the 2004 playoffs, which was followed by Nash's free-agent defection to Phoenix just two months later.

Late in Year 2 of the coaching extension, with even Nelson admitting that the club was responding better to assistant coach Avery Johnson and with just 18 games remaining in the regular season, Nelson and Cuban reached an agreement that would immediately install Johnson as head coach and pay Nelson his full '05-06 salary of $5 million.

Cuban initially proclaimed Nelson to be the Auerbach-inspired "godfather" of the Mavs after his coaching resignation, but the wedge between them only widened. Nelson claimed that Cuban never used him as a consultant, ignoring his e-mails and barring him from attending training camp, practices and from flying on the team plane. Cuban countered by saying that Nelson forced him to institute a ban because of Nelson's "negativity" regarding Johnson and the Nash-less team he left behind.

Ashworth ultimately ruled that Cuban breached the contract first by withholding consulting payments starting on July 1, 2006. Cuban inherited the $6-plus million in deferred payments when he bought the team in 2000 from the previous ownership group headed by Ross Perot Jr.

Nelson's $6.3 million takeaway was termed in Ashworth's ruling as an "interim award" which becomes final when both parties sort out attorneys' fees. But there is no means for appeal in this case, effectively ending almost two years of legal haggling between Cuban and Nelson.

The one area they still agree on is a shared fondness for Mavericks president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson, son of the elder Nelson.

Donnie Nelson has continued to work as Cuban's No. 1 confidante since his father left the organization -- Nelson was even offered the Mavs' coaching job before the hiring of Rick Carlisle, as ESPN.com reported in May and thus was intentionally excluded from testifying in the case by both Cuban and Don Nelson.

"I would have been bitter had I lost, but I can hold no grudges," Don Nelson said. "I'll just be as cordial as I can [to Cuban] from now on."

Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. To e-mail him, click here.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3514135

chumdawg · 08-01-2008, 02:19 AM

Imagine if Jerry Jones had tried to steal 6MM from Tom Landry. If you are a die-hard Mavs fan, it's about the same thing.

Big Shot Rob · 08-01-2008, 03:14 AM

It seems like a pretty easy case--if I read this correctly.

The non-compete clause generally does not apply if you're fired. These clauses usually come into play if you quit and are aiming to go to another employer.

Employers can't have it both ways--i.e., firing you and then telling you where to work. I believe they forfeit this clause when they throw you out the door.

Not a good way to celebrate your 50th birthday--but the money is chump change to a billionaire. I would imagine that this was more of an ego clashing than anything else. In which case, Cuban did not give his lawyers much to work with.

GermanDunk · 08-01-2008, 06:53 AM

Happy birthday Mark. Hope you don´t mind i´m a day to late.

And now get us players !

Darth Ape · 08-01-2008, 06:55 AM

After the Warriors raped the Mavs in the 07 playoffs, Nelson decided Cuban's ass was so tight he needed to go back for seconds.

"On your knees bitch, you're gonna take what I have to give you"

hehe

Darth Ape · 08-01-2008, 06:56 AM

So what's the official tally? Who screwed Cuban out of more money this year, Nelson or Devean George?

MavsX · 08-01-2008, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Ape

After the Warriors raped the Mavs in the 07 playoffs, Nelson decided Cuban's ass was so tight he needed to go back for seconds.

"On your knees bitch, you're gonna take what I have to give you"

hehe

Rhylan · 08-01-2008, 09:49 AM

Sorry, I almost had a heart attack. Somebody just compared Nellie to Tom Landry. Tom Landry won 2 super bowls, went to 5, and coached for 27 years in Dallas.

AND HE'S TOM FRICKIN' LANDRY!

They were both innovators, I'll give you that... 4-3, point forward.

But Nellie ain't no Tom Landry. Put that away.

MavsFanFinley · 08-01-2008, 10:07 AM

Good for Nelson.

Only Cuban would call this a victory after losing in court. He knew he'd have to pay but he just wanted to drag it out and piss Nelson off.

SlimBig · 08-01-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhylan

Sorry, I almost had a heart attack. Somebody just compared Nellie to Tom Landry. Tom Landry won 2 super bowls, went to 5, and coached for 27 years in Dallas.

AND HE'S TOM FRICKIN' LANDRY!

They were both innovators, I'll give you that... 4-3, point forward.

But Nellie ain't no Tom Landry. Put that away.

Wow, I thought I was the only one who noticed that.
The very definition of hyperbole.

A better comparison would be Parcells to Nellie. But, Parcells won 2 Super Bowls and went to a couple of conference championships. So...

Evilmav2 · 08-01-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Ape

So what's the official tally? Who screwed Cuban out of more money this year, Nelson or Devean George?

I'm not sure, but I'd say that Brian DePalma should also be a candidate, considering fact that DePalma produced his shrill, anti-war screed 'Redacted' with over $5 million of Cuban's money last year, and that horrid film then took in a miserable box office gross of only $65,388 nationwide... Flush...

Darth Ape · 08-02-2008, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Evilmav2

I'm not sure, but I'd say that Brian DePalma should also be a candidate, considering fact that DePalma produced his shrill, anti-war screed 'Redacted' with over $5 million of Cuban's money last year, and that horrid film then took in a miserable box office gross of only $65,388 nationwide... Flush...

Aw, that's not fair. Cuban got what he wanted out of that film. If you want to inform an ignorant public about a corrupt, out of control, military that kills innocent Iraqis at will... you gotta pay for it.

Propaganda has a price tag, dude!