Tracking of Fortson-Bradley-Najera minutes and Dirk's as Center - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Chiwas · 10-29-2003, 01:02 PM

Game 1

Fortson 14
Bradley 4
Najera 13

Dirk 48-14-4= 30.

ReDIRKulous · 10-29-2003, 01:04 PM

Not quite Chiwas... Walker and Jamison played center too. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Chiwas · 10-29-2003, 01:52 PM

It is going to be impossible to know Dirk's minutes, but a good aproximation will be 48 minus Fortson's minus Bradley's, unless it is evident that other player takes the spot.

Chiwas · 10-30-2003, 01:13 AM

Game 2

Fortson 3
Bradley 1
Najera 19

Dirk 48-3-1-19 = 25 (Najera played all his minutes as Center)

uberfan · 10-30-2003, 12:19 PM

Frankly, with the current roster, Dirk needs to start at C with AW/AJ also starting in the front court. I don't think the AJ experiment as 6th man will work. AJ will need to get into a rythym to be successful. Shawn, Eddie and Danny will just fine as needed to give a few miuntes.

Although there hasn't been any evidence of it in the first two games, I have hopes Delk will make it as the 6th man.

It's too early to give up on this group, but I do think another move is coming. If it is, I would rather it come sooner than later so they can have plenty of time to click.

madape · 11-04-2003, 09:30 AM

Three games into the season, and Fortson has already played his way out of the rotation. He's gone from starting center to 12th man in less than a week. How could so many people, including Don Nelson, be so wrong about this guy? What did he ever do to prove that he deserved to start in the first place? The Mavs were admittedly short-handed at center, even when they thought Fortson would give them something. If their willingness to go into the season with only two centers on the roster was risky, their reliance on Fortson to be one of those two was just stupid. The Mavs should have thrown some money at Mutombo, Stepania, or anyone with a big body and a pulse. Fortson is a spare. He's the worst player on this team.

Dooby · 11-04-2003, 09:51 AM

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Three games into the season, and Fortson has already played his way out of the rotation. He's gone from starting center to 12th man in less than a week. How could so many people, including Don Nelson, be so wrong about this guy? What did he ever do to prove that he deserved to start in the first place? The Mavs were admittedly short-handed at center, even when they thought Fortson would give them something. If their willingness to go into the season with only two centers on the roster was risky, their reliance on Fortson to be one of those two was just stupid. The Mavs should have thrown some money at Mutombo, Stepania, or anyone with a big body and a pulse. Fortson is a spare. He's the worst player on this team.

We weren't wrong, Nellis is schizophrenic. Nellie can't reconcile (a) what he wants to do and knows he should do as coach before the season starts and (b) what Nellie wants to do as coach during a game.

Gameday Nellie always wins. Players play too many minutes. There is never a set rotation. Defense is yanked for offense. Players are played out of position.

Murphy3 · 11-04-2003, 09:58 AM

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Gameday Nellie always wins. Players play too many minutes. There is never a set rotation. Defense is yanked for offense. Players are played out of position.

and people wonder why the Mavs struggle defensively

Chiwas · 11-04-2003, 11:21 AM

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Nellie can't reconcile (a) what he wants to do and knows he should do as coach before the season starts and (b) what Nellie wants to do as coach during a game.

Very good thought.

I wonder if he really knew the (a), though.

Dooby · 11-04-2003, 11:27 AM

Guys, there is a reason Nellie tried to run the NY offense through Mason and way from Ewing; there is a reason that Nellie tried to make Chris Webber a center. Once the season starts, Nellie can't help it. I'd love to read the old newspaper articles from trainign camp in Golden State and New York; I am sure it was all about defense and the low post.

Murphy3 · 11-04-2003, 11:37 AM

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Guys, there is a reason Nellie tried to run the NY offense through Mason and way from Ewing; there is a reason that Nellie tried to make Chris Webber a center. Once the season starts, Nellie can't help it. I'd love to read the old newspaper articles from trainign camp in Golden State and New York; I am sure it was all about defense and the low post.

Like many on the site speculated, Nellie finally has the amount of scorers that he was looking for. Will he properly utilized players such as Najera, Bradley, and others?

Well, it's too early to tell. But, to give Nellie the benefit of the doubt is very difficult. His track record indicates that he'll opt for the additional scoring imuch more often than he'll opt for a more defensive oriented player.

mavsfan4life · 11-04-2003, 11:50 AM

Dirk cannot play center. He needs to play PF or SF, but not center. He is not that good!

Chiwas · 11-08-2003, 11:32 PM

Fortson + Bradley + Najera = 21 minutes against SA.

Guess who is our Main Center?

Dirk or Walker.

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dude1394 · 11-09-2003, 12:42 AM

On the post-game interview nellie said he put fortson in and for two offensive trips down he forgot the offensive sets. Is fortson some sort of basketball idiot or something?

ReDIRKulous · 11-09-2003, 12:46 AM

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On the post-game interview nellie said he put fortson in and for two offensive trips down he forgot the offensive sets. Is fortson some sort of basketball idiot or something?

Fortson had a lot of prblems when he was growing up. It is really a miracle he is where he is. As much as I would like him to play better I can't help but cut the guy slack.

dude1394 · 11-09-2003, 12:48 AM

Huh?? Is that a yes, no or possibly a some of the times?

LRB · 11-09-2003, 01:24 AM

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On the post-game interview nellie said he put fortson in and for two offensive trips down he forgot the offensive sets. Is fortson some sort of basketball idiot or something?

Yes. Maybe he's trying to fill Raef's role from last year.

I just don't have much respect for a player who shows up for training camp 40lbs overweight.

EricaLubarsky · 11-09-2003, 01:41 AM

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I just don't have much respect for a player who shows up for training camp 40lbs overweight.

*cough* Shaq *cough*

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jimmychipwood · 11-09-2003, 10:04 AM

Small Ball is Back Baby!!!

21 minutes combined for our "centers," 2 of which are really power forwards!

When will we just say that small ball doesn't win championships. Crying sadness.

I was glad to see Jamison do so well, and he did so well because he made it all happen on his own.

jimmychipwood · 11-09-2003, 10:16 AM

Oh yeah, forgot to mention that I agree that the Fortson situation sounds like Raef all over. If guys are having that much trouble remembering plays, maybe we have too many plays and/or maybe the ones we have are too complex.

Parcells makes sure every player knows exactly what he is supposed to do in every situation. To make that possible, he keeps things simple. I like Parcells.

madape · 11-09-2003, 10:48 AM

Why did he take Bradley out after two minutes? I thought he was playing well.

dude1394 · 11-09-2003, 11:13 AM

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Oh yeah, forgot to mention that I agree that the Fortson situation sounds like Raef all over. If guys are having that much trouble remembering plays, maybe we have too many plays and/or maybe the ones we have are too complex.

Parcells makes sure every player knows exactly what he is supposed to do in every situation. To make that possible, he keeps things simple. I like Parcells.

I'm sorry but this is bogus. Sounds to me like fortson is basically lazy off the court. Are you telling me that parcells would tolerate that!! No way, that's the one thing he will NOT tolerate.

Chiwas · 11-09-2003, 12:40 PM

The point is, Dallas has only one Center and he isn't playing.

The other PF who is playing Center wants to play well, knows the plays -3 years with the team- but is undersized.

The other PF who is playing Center can rebound but is undersized and don't know the plays.

Last night with Nesterovic playing as PF (better say, "like" PF) the Mavs didn't play a Center and showed dominant. When the Mavs put in Najera, Malik started to mess the things up for the Mavs. Everything changed.

We almost lost the game. Maybe it could have worked to keep the same scheme last nigh that was running fine.

But for the rest of the season, with tougher rival Centers, either Shawn has to play more or the Mavs has to hire another true Center, or both.

I think Fortson won't learn the plays. We already had a bad experience waiting and waiting for other player to do so and didn't happen. Besides, he is undersized too, his only asset is the big instint for the rebounds.

LRB · 11-09-2003, 12:44 PM

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The other PF who is playing Center can rebound but is undersized and don't know the plays.

Not to mention that he's fat and lazy.
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Shawn is probably not well enough for heavy minutes yet, but I do think that he is well enough for Nellie to play him more. We definitely need another center. One is just not going to cut it. The potato is worthless. Eddie is just too undersized. Still I'd rather see more undersized Eddie that fat @$$ lazy potato.

\_Dead_4_Sure_/ · 11-10-2003, 02:12 PM

haning Dirk as a center does not give the Mavs much power on defense as well as on offense, We all need Dirk to play his regular role and get more help for Shawn, yes Eddie tries to do his best when playing as center, but is just to undersize, but I still remember the way he played against Yao when Yao was manhandling Shawn....So if only we could get a center with that same attitude, that will help the team a lot....Why Mark and Nellie does not look for one at the Preolimpics?