04-16-2003, 07:05 PM
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Why is the second tiebreaker for a division title base on the conference record instead of the division record?
It would seem logical that division record would be weighed more heavily than conference record when determining how to handle a tie within the division.
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04-16-2003, 07:11 PM
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cause in the playoffs, YOU PLAY AGAINST TEAMS FROM OTHER DIVISIONS.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
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04-16-2003, 07:47 PM
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A better question is why do we still have division titles. Why not just seed everyone in the conference by record and do away with division? Since all teams in the conference play each other the same number of times regardless of division.
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04-16-2003, 07:54 PM
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cause in the playoffs, YOU PLAY AGAINST TEAMS FROM OTHER DIVISIONS.
I am not advocating this, but if that is the case than why not make the conference record mean more than head to head record?
I can see where conference record plays a rather large role. But, I think it makes sense to use the conference record 3rd in the tiebreaking scheme instead of 2nd when determining ties within the division.
Within the regular season, it would seem to me that the first goal of my team would be to win the divison. The next goal would be winning the conference. The final regular season goal might be the best record in the league.
In the Mavs' case right now, if they win tonight, they would finish 2nd in the division and 3rd in the conference because their conference record is worse than SA. But, their division record would be better than SA.
With the current higher premium placed on the conference record over division record it seems to me the intent of the tiebreaker hierachy is backwards IMO.
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We ran like a simple play, and usually the ball doesn’t come get me until later. So I just trotted through the play and I looked to the ball, and it was already right there in my face. … He sees the floor so well and sometimes he throws the ball and we don’t see it. He’s liable to really throw anything.” Dirk
Kidd to Dirk is the present day Stockton to Malone.
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04-16-2003, 07:59 PM
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<< A better question is why do we still have division titles. Why not just seed everyone in the conference by record and do away with division? Since all teams in the conference play each other the same number of times regardless of division. >>
This is a very good point.
This would also support the current tiebreaking scheme currently in place with the higher premium placed on the conference record.
Also, this would eliminate the need to seed one of the two division winners as the second seed even though the record may not be better than the 3rd seed or below.
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We ran like a simple play, and usually the ball doesn’t come get me until later. So I just trotted through the play and I looked to the ball, and it was already right there in my face. … He sees the floor so well and sometimes he throws the ball and we don’t see it. He’s liable to really throw anything.” Dirk
Kidd to Dirk is the present day Stockton to Malone.
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04-16-2003, 10:15 PM
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I do not know if its a gr8 point. Every team knows about this rule before they start the season and thus u have equal chance to get the tie breaker.
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04-16-2003, 10:17 PM
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"gr8" is internet chatroom b.s... please refrain using it again.
anyways, doc, i've wondered the same thing all year long as well.. especially when it became apparent that the spurs would make a major charge at the Mavs
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04-16-2003, 10:19 PM
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<< "gr8" is internet chatroom b.s... please refrain using it again.
anyways, doc, i've wondered the same thing all year long as well.. especially when it became apparent that the spurs would make a major charge at the Mavs >>
It's gr8 that you've agreed to mentor the lad murph. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
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04-17-2003, 07:39 AM
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hmm, murphy policing the board.
Isn't that like Lybia heading up the human rights committee?
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03-20-2004, 10:24 AM
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RE:Why is the second tiebreaker for a division title based on the conference record?
bump
just in case anyone was wondering about tiebreakers.
The mavs look to be in decent shape with the Wolves and Spurs if they end up tied with either. The Mavs have the 3-1 series lead over the Spurs.
The Mavs and the Wolves are tied at 2-2.
The Mavs are 27-17 in Conference and 11-10 within the Diviision
The Wolves are 24-16 in Conference and 8-9 within the Division
The Wolves have a 3 game lead in the loss column over the Mavs right now and a 1 game lead in the loss column as far as the conference record goes. So, if the Mavs are able to make up the 3 games in the loss column, the losses will most definitely come primarily within Conference for the Wolves.
On a side note, the Mavs split the season series with the Lakers.
The Lakers are sitting at 23-18 in Conference play.
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03-20-2004, 10:29 AM
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RE: Why is the second tiebreaker for a division title based on the conference record?
gr8.
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