Chemistry a trade with indiana

[jayC]

Al Harrington
Austin Croshere

for Walker.

Its no secret that Larry Bird Covets Antoine Walker's game. The Pacers also get out from underneath Croshere's huge contract. Harrington is a guy that you could plug into the starting line-up or be your sixth man. Croshere is a heck of a sharp shooter.

[ddh33]

I think both of those guys could be good players here, but I would rather get a center instead of adding two more forwards to an already crowded frontcourt.

[LRB]

I'd be more than highly upset if the Mavs were offered this trade and turned it down. But no way is Walker anywhere close to the value of Harrington IMO.

[grndmstr_c]

LRB, actually, on balance the available statistical comparisons between Walker and Harrington give the edge to Walker.

For example, John Hollinger PER formula has Toine rated at a 15.75 as compared to 14.93 for Harrington (15.00 is average)
82games has Walker's +/- listed at -7.6, with Harrington listed at -11.4.
Walker's true shooting % this year was 47.5%, Harrington's was 51.4%
Walker grabbed 11.6 rebounds per 48 to Harrington's 10 per 48
Walker had 6.2 assists per 48 to Harrington's 2.6 per 48
Walker had 1.8 assists per TO to Harrington's .8 per TO
Harrington had a better steal rate, but Walker had three times as many blocks in only 16% more minutes.

Just out of curiosity, anybody think we'd have a snowball's chance in hell of landing Foster and Croshere for Walker (with some filler to make salaries work)?

[mavsman55]

How about Michael Finley and Antoine Walker for Al Harrington and Scott Pollard?

[aexchange]

harrington is one of the most overrated players on D.

if we really want another jamison i guess we could trade for harrington. he just doesn't do a whole lot for me. i'd rather trade for *gulp* antonio davis than take on another small power forward.

[grndmstr_c]

How about Michael Finley and Antoine Walker for Al Harrington and Scott Pollard?

That's a joke, right?

[Dirkenstien]

Originally posted by: grndmstr_c

That's a joke, right?

I sure hope so [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

[Dirkenstien]

Originally posted by: jayC
Al Harrington
Austin Croshere

for Walker.

Its no secret that Larry Bird Covets Antoine Walker's game. The Pacers also get out from underneath Croshere's huge contract. Harrington is a guy that you could plug into the starting line-up or be your sixth man. Croshere is a heck of a sharp shooter.

I think we'll be able to get a lot better of a deal than this. I dont see this move as one that would put us over the edge

[mavsman55]

Originally posted by: grndmstr_c

That's a joke, right?

Just think of how this trade would end up in our favor in a few years. Within a few years, Finley's gonna be down the drain. We don't need Walker to begin with. I think in the long run, this trade would end up benefiting us. Harrington, along with Jamison, doesn't deserve to be sitting the bench anymore. He has a lot of potential. And Pollard is flat-out underrated. I guess you're right in saying this doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but Walker is useless here, and Finley's getting older and older. So what do we really have to lose? Maybe if they threw in a good backup PG like Anthony Johnson this would make a little more sense.

[DubOverdose]

Just because players arent a great fit doesn't mean you should throw them away. Get the most you can out of them.

[dirno2000]

Originally posted by: mavsman55

Just think of how this trade would end up in our favor in a few years. Within a few years, Finley's gonna be down the drain. We don't need Walker to begin with. I think in the long run, this trade would end up benefiting us. Harrington, along with Jamison, doesn't deserve to be sitting the bench anymore. He has a lot of potential. And Pollard is flat-out underrated. I guess you're right in saying this doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but Walker is useless here, and Finley's getting older and older. So what do we really have to lose? Maybe if they threw in a good backup PG like Anthony Johnson this would make a little more sense.

I don't know what Harrington and Pollard make, but it's probably not half of the combined 29mil that Fin and Walker will make next year. Also, Pollard is a spare and the last thing we need is another small forward.

[mavsman55]

You're right Dirno. Finley is still worth a lot of money.. perhaps we could use him and Walker to pick up Ron Artest... that wouldn't be too shabby.

[uberfan]

I think you are correct regarding the salaries, but the last thing I would call Pollard is a SF. Unless you were referring to Harrington as the SF, in which case he is a better fit at SF than Dirk, Walker, Fin, or even Jamison.

As whether or not Pollard is a spare, I won't argue. Still, he would help the Mavs at C more than most of what we have playing the 5 now (Walker, Najera and Fortson/Bradley for about 3 minutes a game if they are lucky).

I would want Jamal Tinsley included in any deal we made with the Pacers.

[dalmations202]

Any deal with Indiana needs to have Walker going, and Artest coming to Dallas. Not sure how to make that happen with the BYC, or when it will be up for Artest, but that is what the Mavs need, if they are going to "do business" with Indiana.

[grndmstr_c]

I disagree that we'd have to get Artest. Foster, Harrington, Bender, Pollard, Tinsley, Croshere; There are plenty of different combinations of guys from that group that I'd consider trading for. Of course, no way in hell would I give up Fin and Walker for Harrington and Pollard - the price has to be reasonable - but they've got a number of nice players there that could help the Mavs out.

[mavsman55]

Here's another idea:

<u>Dallas trades:</u>

F Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.6 minutes) - Eff: +17.11
C Scott Williams (4.6 ppg, 3.1 rpg, .4 apg in 12.3 minutes) - Eff: +6.05
G Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, .8 apg in 15.4 minutes) - Eff: +5.45
G Travis Best (2.8 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 12.5 minutes) - Eff: +3.92

Totals: 27.4 ppg, 14.3 rpg, 7.5 apg - Eff: +32.53

<u>Dallas receives:</u>

F Ron Artest (18.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.7 apg in 34.7 minutes) - Eff: +16.84
G Fred Jones (4.9 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.1 apg in 18.6 minutes) - Eff: +6.09
F Jonathan Bender (7.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, .4 apg in 12.9 minutes) - Eff: +5.52

Totals: 30.2 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 6.2 apg - Eff: 28.45

<u>Team outlook for Dallas</u>

+2.8 ppg, -5.5 rpg, -1.3 apg - Eff: -4.08, + lots of athleticism, + lots of potential, + lots of defensive talent.

[grndmstr_c]

Once again, Mavsman, you're joking right? Indiana laughs in our face on that one faster than we can say Artest.

Come on, people. Let's keep these things at least borderline realistic/plausible.

[mavsman55]

Originally posted by: grndmstr_c
Once again, Mavsman, you're joking right? Indiana laughs in our face on that one faster than we can say Artest.

Come on, people. Let's keep these things at least borderline realistic/plausible.

Are you going to back this one up or just end it like this?

[grndmstr_c]

Is backing it up really necessary? Artest is the defensive player of the year, arguably the best SF in the game right now, and has an exceedingly cap-friendly contract for a player of his stature. That in and of itself is enough. Factor in, though, that Bender, even though his contract outweighs his impact, is regarded as an extremely talented up and comer by many, and that we're only offering them Walker and three spares, and I have a hard time seeing how you could think Indiana would for one minute entertain this offer.

[mavsman55]

Antoine Walker is a bad fit for Dallas. But Indiana would probably end up benefiting taking a risk with a player like Antoine Walker. If he could stay away from the 3's and long-range jumpers he'd end up doing a hell of a lot more there than he did here.

[grndmstr_c]

And Larry Bird reportedly likes Toine. For that reason it's definitely worth looking at trade possibilities with Indiana; still, the one you proposed would never happen.

[mavsman55]

True. It is a little one-sided, and I apologize for that. Maybe throwing in a youngster like Howard would get it done? Whatever it takes, I'd love to see Artest wearing blue and white.