Mark Cuban complains about the reffing

[tcat075]

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Mark Cuban complains about the refs
11:26 AM Fri, Feb 13, 2009 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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That headline probably doesn't shock anybody, but it had been a while since Mark Cuban whined about officiating. He let loose after watching Paul Pierce score eight of his 18 fourth-quarter points from the free throw line in the Celtics' comeback win over the Mavs.

"If Dirk got the officiating that Paul Pierce gets, he'd go to the line 10 more times a game," Cuban told Big Ed Sefko. "I don't know if it's because they are the champions or what, but it's amazing that Dirk takes such a pounding and doesn't get the same respect from the officials.

"And it's the same with Josh Howard. He'd be a perennial all-star if he got the same calls that Paul Pierce gets."

Pierce ranks sixth in the league in free throws attempted (right behind New Jersey's Devin Harris). Dirk ranks 11th, and the difference is less than a free throw per game. Josh Howard is all the way down at 106th, but that's in large part due to the games he's missed and his reliance on the jumper.

I don't recall my eyebrows raising on any calls that sent Pierce to the line last night. However, I can understand why the Mavs would be heated about a key offensive foul that Pierce drew against Dirk.

Josh being a perennial all-star? That's a little bit too much. But Cuban's right on with everything else, and its been this way as a long time: Dirk is viewed as a PF/C, no matter where he is on the court, and often gets PF/C foul calls on him when he's behind the arc or just inside.

[ty]

I don't recall my eyebrows raising on any calls that sent Pierce to the line last night. However, I can understand why the Mavs would be heated about a key offensive foul that Pierce drew against Dirk.

How about all of Kidd's fouls? Stupid Tim MacMahon.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by ty

How about all of Kidd's fouls? Stupid Tim MacMahon.

Yup, very ticky-tacky fouls. Refs need to understand basketball is considered a contact sport. You're allowed to touch the other player...

[TheMaverick]

They called those fouls on Kidd when he was matched up against Pierce... however, Dirk gets pushed around ALL THE TIME on the block and there is no such treatment.

[alby]

Originally Posted by TheMaverick

They called those fouls on Kidd when he was matched up against Pierce... however, Dirk gets pushed around ALL THE TIME on the block and there is no such treatment.

Dirk doesn't receive the same superstar treatment, it's always been that way.

[Murphy3]

It's not that Dirk doesn't receive superstar treatment.. it's that the officials don't even give him the calls on the perimeter that your average NBA player gets simply because he's 7 foot.

[tomly]

Its because he is European, white and plays for Cuban!

[Thomas86]

Paul Pierce was getting Wade like calls in that game...it remind me of the Finals when the Reffs brought the Heat back into the game/series by sending Wade to the free throw line.

[minkbarn]

Pierce drives aggressively. You get fouled when you do that. Dirk is a 7 footer with a fantastic outside touch; he just doesn't drive like Pierce does (and shouldn't).

That's why Pierce gets to the line- he forces the issue.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

HBO should do a Real Sports on NBA reffing.

I bet the amount of fines for complaining about the refs is pretty high in the past 10 years.

With that said, Cuban has had a habit lately over-exaggerating things. Josh a perennial all-star if he got the same calls? Either this is a bit to increase the trade value or Cuban is a little loony...

[Bayliss]

If Cuban was smart he would have voiced this opinion before they played Boston. That way he would plant the seed in the official's head. Now doing it after the game, it makes you look like a whiner. It is a reason why the Mavs look worse to the league.

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by minkbarn

Pierce drives aggressively. You get fouled when you do that. Dirk is a 7 footer with a fantastic outside touch; he just doesn't drive like Pierce does (and shouldn't).

That's why Pierce gets to the line- he forces the issue.

Part of the reason why I believe that Dirk doesn't drive as much any more is because he wasn't getting rewarded when often enough when fouled.

The thing that is frustrated is that the officials let players blatantly foul Dirk 15-20 feet from the bucket in wide open spaces... easy calls. No, they're not even shooting fouls. The same hand checking rules don't apply when Dirk has the ball. Opponents are allowed to do just about whatever. The fouls that most people are complaining about aren't necessarily when Dirk's shooting the ball. Hell, it's when he first receives the pass.. Defenders are basically allowed to do as they please. It's not the same with other players around the league. Once again, because dirk is 7 foot, officials refuse to use the same rules when he receives the ball out on the perimeter as they would with a guard.

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

If Cuban was smart he would have voiced this opinion before they played Boston. That way he would plant the seed in the official's head. Now doing it after the game, it makes you look like a whiner. It is a reason why the Mavs look worse to the league.

I'm sure that he's voiced his opinion on the issue a hundred times over the past decade.

[Bayliss]

Oh he most certainly has voiced his opinion. But the Mavs need to do it the way Phil does it. He told the press that LeBron gets all the calls in Cleveland, before LA played them in Cleveland.

If you say it beforehand... two things happen:

1) The refs call the same way for that star player. If that happens you can immediately say: see I told you so. And it will make them look bad. And Stern hates that.

2) The refs actually give your team favorable treatment to not seem biased toward the star player. If that happens, it benefits your team.

It is a win-win situation if you say it first. It is a lose lose situation is you said it after the game.

[NYMAVGUY]

Cube I'm glad that you don't mind raising your voice for your team. Never stop!! But Dirk goes to the line a lot. 4 more trips to the line for Dirk doesn't get us a Chip. Dirk deserves better. he gave this franchise his career, you should try to make a couple of moves to give him the pieces he needs.

[Dim499]

(I'd like to mention one final time that it's almost never a good thing to play aggressive offensively in the first half.

Because it doesn't matter if you earned your FT advantage, these refs are in the game for so long they can easily steer the game in one direction or another with their officiating. And they WILL even out the FTA's most of the time. This is a big factor with 50-50 calls in the fourth quarter of games. It helps them with their decision if Pierce or Dirk go to the basket and they are unsure whether to call it or not.

In the Boston game it was 15-5 Mavs at half. In the end it was 24-28. Despite the technicals to Doc.)

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by Dim499

(I'd like to mention one final time that it's almost never a good thing to play aggressive offensively in the first half.

Because it doesn't matter if you earned your FT advantage, these refs are in the game for so long they can easily steer the game in one direction or another with their officiating. And they WILL even out the FTA's most of the time. This is a big factor with 50-50 calls in the fourth quarter of games. It helps them with their decision if Pierce or Dirk go to the basket and they are unsure whether to call it or not.

In the Boston game it was 15-5 Mavs at half. In the end it was 24-28. Despite the technicals to Doc.)

I Agree with you to an extent. I do think refs tend to even out the free throw attempts as the game goes on but I don't think that came into effect last night. Mavs simply relied on the jumpshot. What was the streak at one point? 10 missed shots in a row? Some were those unfortunate misses that go half way in and come out but watching that 4th quarter I saw nothing this Mavs team did to try and draw contact to get to the free throw line. Pierce is great at what he does. I hate it but I don't think its refs trying to bail him out. He's great at making the refs blow their whistle. Especially in the clutch.

And can we please quit bailing these players out for not driving to the rack? Seriously, the biggest excuse we as fans give these players is that they never get the calls so they quit driving. I hope that's not he case. A problem this team has when going to the rack is they're never aggressive. They always expect for the refs to bail them out when they attack the rack.

[eyedentifyme]

Also when they attack, the Mavericks need to start dunking the ball in because these refs sometimes aren't calling the tick-tack shove fouls on miss layups.

[left texas]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

Part of the reason why I believe that Dirk doesn't drive as much any more is because he wasn't getting rewarded when often enough when fouled.

The thing that is frustrated is that the officials let players blatantly foul Dirk 15-20 feet from the bucket in wide open spaces... easy calls. No, they're not even shooting fouls. The same hand checking rules don't apply when Dirk has the ball. Opponents are allowed to do just about whatever. The fouls that most people are complaining about aren't necessarily when Dirk's shooting the ball. Hell, it's when he first receives the pass.. Defenders are basically allowed to do as they please. It's not the same with other players around the league. Once again, because dirk is 7 foot, officials refuse to use the same rules when he receives the ball out on the perimeter as they would with a guard.

When Dirk does drive he can get smashed to the floor and gets a no call. I guess since he is a 7 footer they think he's a true 5 when he hits the paint.
If Dirk got the calls he deserved he would have by far the most free throw attemps in the league.

[horse900703]

haha, too late~

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Dim499

Because it doesn't matter if you earned your FT advantage, these refs are in the game for so long they can easily steer the game in one direction or another with their officiating.

Here is the truth, and the whole problem with the product that is seen today.

[purplefrog]

Cuban's remarks about JHo being an all star must be an attempt to drive up his trade value. Gotta be. He can't be that blind.

[Rick41]

Dirk in Utah anyone? I've seen POW's treated better.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I Agree with you to an extent. I do think refs tend to even out the free throw attempts as the game goes on but I don't think that came into effect last night. Mavs simply relied on the jumpshot. What was the streak at one point? 10 missed shots in a row? Some were those unfortunate misses that go half way in and come out but watching that 4th quarter I saw nothing this Mavs team did to try and draw contact to get to the free throw line. Pierce is great at what he does. I hate it but I don't think its refs trying to bail him out. He's great at making the refs blow their whistle. Especially in the clutch.

And can we please quit bailing these players out for not driving to the rack? Seriously, the biggest excuse we as fans give these players is that they never get the calls so they quit driving. I hope that's not he case. A problem this team has when going to the rack is they're never aggressive. They always expect for the refs to bail them out when they attack the rack.

we must have been watching a different game. They were running pick and roll, get pierce the ball at the ft line extended and then pierce was working for a fadeaway jumper over a shorter player. I know that offense when i see it. Its what the mavs used to do with dirk. Speaking of which, where did that go for us?

[Louis]

we championship of 05-06 belongs to our team, but not the Miami Cheat.

[aquaadverse]

Originally Posted by Louis

we championship of 05-06 belongs to our team, but not the Miami Cheat.

I didn't know Tarzan was a basketball fan.