Stats that don't really matter that much

[mary]

Knickerblogger’s

2010
4th in defensive efficiency
12th in offensive efficiency

2009
17th in defensive efficiency
5th in offensive efficiency

2008
9th in defensive efficiency
8th in offensive efficiency

2007
5th in defensive efficiency
2nd in offensive efficiency

2006
11th in defensive efficiency
2nd in offensive efficiency


Various Hollinger Statistics

13th in rebounding rate
18th in pace
3rd in assist ratio
4th in turnover ratio
20th in offensive rebound rate
8th in defensive rebound rate
13th in effective FG%
12th in true shooting %


Other Stats

7th in point differential
3rd in opp FG%
14th in opp 3pt FG%
3rd in blocks per game
3rd in A/TO ratio
1st in fewest fouls per game

Other things that don’t really matter

17-1 when leading after 3 quarters
2-6 when losing after 3 quarters
12-1 when leading at the half
6-6 when losing at the half
5-0 in games decided by 3 points or less
10-3 in games decided by 10 points or more
11-2 when scoring over 100
7-4 when opponents score over 100
11-4 against .500+ teams
13-1 when leading in FG %
13-0 when outrebounding opponent
11-4 when have fewer TO’s than opponent

[Dirkadirkastan]

I love stats like this, but I'm not sure how to respond to them.

[dirno2000]

I expected us to be a much better rebounding team than we are. Of course that was based on the assumption that Marion and Howard would be starters and play big minutes. Josh has been out but even when he's available it seems like Rick is reluctant to play him and Marion together. Maybe he doesn't want him chasing 2's until he trusts the ankle.

I've been wondering why we've dropped off offensively. Obviously Terry's struggles account for some of it. On top of that we've essentially replaced Howard with Marion and Josh is the bigger offensive threat of the two. Just theories though, haven't had a chance to dig into the numbers.

[FINtastic]

Originally Posted by dirno2000

I expected us to be a much better rebounding team than we are. Of course that was based on the assumption that Marion and Howard would be starters and play big minutes. Josh has been out but even when he's available it seems like Rick is reluctant to play him and Marion together. Maybe he doesn't want him chasing 2's until he trusts the ankle.

Don't forget that Damp has been out for a good chunk of this year. That probably didn't help matters much.

[grndmstr_c]

Looking over the on/off-court numbers at 82games, there's some justification for putting much of the rebounding underachievement on Gooden, unfortunately. His individual numbers are good, but the team has faired quite poorly in that deparment (as it has in offensive and defensive efg%, also), when he's been out there.

[badfish22]

Its no coincidence that the two top rated defensive teams in the league have the best records as well.

[bernardos70]

I love seeing these stats. The problem here, at least for me, is that they don't love me back....

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Looking over the on/off-court numbers at 82games, there's some justification for putting much of the rebounding underachievement on Gooden, unfortunately. His individual numbers are good, but the team has faired quite poorly in that deparment (as it has in offensive and defensive efg%, also), when he's been out there.

So Drew Gooden appears to be putting up empty numbers.....

Shocking?

[jthig32]

BTW, those 2007 numbers are painful to see. That team was stupid good.

*sigh*

[mavErika]

11-4 against .500+ teams

actually we're 11-4 against sub .500 teams and 8-3 against .500+ teams . Which is still really good - Spurs are 2-9 for that matter (their only quality-win at home was against us, which kinda sucks. Road: Houston).

edit to add: Houston is 6-9 in that category before tonight's game.

[dirno2000]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Looking over the on/off-court numbers at 82games, there's some justification for putting much of the rebounding underachievement on Gooden, unfortunately. His individual numbers are good, but the team has faired quite poorly in that deparment (as it has in offensive and defensive efg%, also), when he's been out there.

I'll give you offensive and defensive efficiency but how do you put up empty rebounding numbers? If he's rebounding well and the rest of the team isn't when he's on the floor that means either 1) Rick is playing him with poor rebounders or 2) his teammates aren't going to the glass hard enough when he's on the floor. I don't see how either of those things in on Drew. Put another way I'm not sure what a player can do to make his teammates worse rebounders.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by dirno2000

I'll give you offensive and defensive efficiency but how do you put up empty rebounding numbers? If he's rebounding well and the rest of the team isn't when he's on the floor that means either 1) Rick is playing him with poor rebounders or 2) his teammates aren't going to the glass hard enough when he's on the floor. I don't see how either of those things in on Drew. Put another way I'm not sure what a player can do to make his teammates worse rebounders.

Team rebounding depends on defensive positioning, blocking out, and (with regard to second change opportunities) playing within the offense as much as it does on individual players getting their hands on the ball. I've long felt that some players are better than others at helping their team make an impact on the glass even when they themselves aren't the ones grabbing all the boards. And by the same token, some are better at getting their hands on the ball than they are at creating rebounding opportunities for their teammates.

[mary]

Originally Posted by mavErika

actually we're 11-4 against sub .500 teams and 8-3 against .500+ teams . Which is still really good - Spurs are 2-9 for that matter (their only quality-win at home was against us, which kinda sucks. Road: Houston).

edit to add: Houston is 6-9 in that category before tonight's game.

You're probably right since we've lost to Washington, New Orleans, Golden State and Memphis, but then NBA.com must've made a mistake.

Do you have a link so I can compare the two sources?

[mavsfan1000]

Btw Gooden's +/- on court/off court is -21.5. Seriously he needs to stop playing. The team is horrible when he is on the court. I'll take Humphries over Gooden any day.

[dalmations202]

Is there any stat besides W and L's that really mean anything?

[Dirkadirkastan]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

Is there any stat besides W and L's that really mean anything?

As a cause or as an effect?