Mavs draft Satnam Singh Bharama

[MFFL]

Center7'-2", 290 lbs

The guy is huge

[yahyes]

Wow he's only 19 too. Mavs can have him develop for like 3 years to see what happens.

[MFFL]

According to the draft special he was really wanted by a lot of major colleges but he couldn't qualify academically

So he had to enter the draft

The Mavs will stash him overseas or at their minor league team

[DirkMFFL]

Will be a D-league player his entire career. Another trash pick by Mark Cuban. Only got him to make money $$$. That is the last things fans want from an owner.

[MFFL]

I'm not an Insider so I just got this blurb from Chad Ford

"He's huge. Like crazy huge. And I also don't know anyone in the NBA who really thinks he can play..."

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by DirkMFFL

Will be a D-league player his entire career. Another trash pick by Mark Cuban.

And how many picks in the 50's stick in the NBA?

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by MFFL

I'm not an Insider so I just got this blurb from Chad Ford

"He's huge. Like crazy huge. And I also don't know anyone in the NBA who really thinks he can play..."

Nobody in the NBA thinks Chad Ford is an expert so there's that.

[Murphy3]

Drafting that low... Kinda a needle in the haystack so might as well take size

[EricaLubarsky]

According to 82-games.com number crunching, the 52nd pick has never in the range they looked at had a superstar or even star. Stats of the 52nd pick are as follows From 1989-2009

Superstar 0%
Star 0%
Role player 10%
Deep bench player 30%
Bust 35%

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

Drafting that low... Kinda a needle in the haystack so might as well take size

Yep... And then there's this:

@DwainPrice: Mavs owner Mark Cuban on drafting India's Satnam Singh Bhamara: "There’s a billion new Mavs fans out there right now.’’

@Jeff_Caplan: India replaced China as NBA's newest super-giant untapped market...

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Yep... And then there's this:

@DwainPrice: Mavs owner Mark Cuban on drafting India's Satnam Singh Bhamara: "There’s a billion new Mavs fans out there right now.’’

@Jeff_Caplan: India replaced China as NBA's newest super-giant untapped market...

So you're saying that it's all about the $$ for Cubes?

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by MFFL

And how many picks in the 50's stick in the NBA?

I understand this but this type of approach to the draft really disturbs me. Chandler Parsons and Lance Stephenson were both 2nd round picks. Isaiah Thomas was the last pick in the 2nd round.

I won't knock not finding a guy I just knock the approach.

[Murphy3]

I agree with that DTown IF that is Cubes reasoning behind making the pick.

[MavzMan]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Superstar 0%
Star 0%
Role player 10%
Deep bench player 30%
Bust 35%

10+30+35=75% Where is the other 25%? Never even signs? Just curious.

[MavzMan]

OK, i get that Cuban probably did this for a boost in Mavs fan base in India and the guy could be a joke, BUT check out this link. If nothing else, it's impressive the guy is in such good shape for as big as he is. If he plays for the Legends, I'll definitely go watch him play.

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/6/24/88...ba-draft-india

And from that article ...
His grandma is 6'9"!!!

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by MavzMan

10+30+35=75% Where is the other 25%? Never even signs? Just curious.

Oops, I did it on my phone as I was getting ready for bed

Star - 0%
Solid - 0%
Roleplayer - 10%
Deep Bench - 25%
Bust - 30%
Never plays - 35%

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Oops, I did it on my phone as I was getting ready for bed

Star - 0%
Solid - 0%
Roleplayer - 10%
Deep Bench - 25%
Bust - 30%
Never plays - 35%

Not knocking you or i'm not sure if this is your wording but man its a bit of a stretch to call a 2nd round pick a bust isn't it lol?

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Not knocking you or i'm not sure if this is your wording but man its a bit of a stretch to call a 2nd round pick a bust isn't it lol?

That was decided by the people at 82games.com here
http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

It's all based on performance rating except for DNP, which is obviously just that. The author of the study then put tags on each of the categories 20+ is a star, 15-19.9 is a solid, etc.

[MavzMan]

Yeah, they brought that up last night. These guys are being drafted into the best basketball in the world. So yeah, "bust" isn't really the best term for second round picks that don't even have a guaranteed contract.

[tap2390]

The most surprising thing about this dude is how much skill he has. Nice stroke, 3 point range, etc.

[PartywithDirk]

Loved the Anderson pick, thought this pick was a joke.

I understand that, at 52, it's extremely improbable that you find a player. But there were some guys available that i thought had promise...and they weren't a marketing gimmick.

Either way, hope we get a miracle with this guy....just thought we had better options available

[Bryan_Wilson]

Sefko points out the connection of Singh and Happy Walters/Fegen and Parsons and Deandre Jordan. Even thought I believe his primary agent is King all under the same agency though so Idk if that affects anything.

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/2015/...am-singh.html/

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I understand this but this type of approach to the draft really disturbs me. Chandler Parsons and Lance Stephenson were both 2nd round picks. Isaiah Thomas was the last pick in the 2nd round.

Parsons was pick #38, Stephenson #40, Bharama #52... There's the 2nd Round, and then there's the 2nd Round; 12-14 spots is a pretty long drop in the draft.

And Thomas was a once-in-NBA-history anomaly.

[ocelot_ark]

I hope he turns out to be a role player. He looks like he's got a great shooting touch. He seems extremely committed to weights/his body. But man - he runs SOOOO stiff. It's almost like he doesn't lift his knees when running. If they can work on his hips/flexibility I imagine he'll be much more effective in a couple of years.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by PartywithDirk

Loved the Anderson pick, thought this pick was a joke.

I understand that, at 52, it's extremely improbable that you find a player. But there were some guys available that i thought had promise...and they weren't a marketing gimmick.

Either way, hope we get a miracle with this guy....just thought we had better options available

http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

Go to that link and see just how tough the 52nd pick is historically. We just drafted a guy who has decent skills and strength/conditioning who was 7'1" in high school and is now 7'1". He very well could be the next P-Pod, but 2/3 of the players taken at 52 over the last 20 years either washed out of the league or never made it. Only 10% of players ever made it into serious bench rotation from there. 1 in 10.

We drafted a skilled, huge dude. If he turns into the next Pavel Podkolzine, then he's one of the 90%. If we can turn the 19 year-old into something solid, then we defied the odds. Let's not pretend that because Manu Ginobli was drafted at 57, that that is even plausible for any team-- even the Spurs-- to repeat.

[PartywithDirk]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

Go to that link and see just how tough the 52nd pick is historically. We just drafted a guy who has decent skills and strength/conditioning who was 7'1" in high school and is now 7'1". He very well could be the next P-Pod, but 2/3 of the players taken at 52 over the last 20 years either washed out of the league or never made it. Only 10% of players ever made it into serious bench rotation from there. 1 in 10.

We drafted a skilled, huge dude. If he turns into the next Pavel Podkolzine, then he's one of the 90%. If we can turn the 19 year-old into something solid, then we defied the odds. Let's not pretend that because Manu Ginobli was drafted at 57, that that is even plausible for any team-- even the Spurs-- to repeat.

Look, I realize it's virtually impossible to find a player at that spot. That's what I said in my original post. I just thought there were players there that had better potential and/or had the ability to possibly make an impact.

This dude looks like a marketing gimmick (first Indian born player, Cubes saying we now have a billion more fans, etc).

Then you have guys like Upshaw, Alexander, and Woods who have proven something (at various levels) throughout their career. I'd rather we'd have taken a flyer on one of those guys, any day.

But that's just my opinion.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by PartywithDirk

Look, I realize it's virtually impossible to find a player at that spot. That's what I said in my original post. I just thought there were players there that had better potential and/or had the ability to possibly make an impact.

This dude looks like a marketing gimmick (first Indian born player, Cubes saying we now have a billion more fans, etc).

Then you have guys like Upshaw, Alexander, and Woods who have proven something (at various levels) throughout their career. I'd rather we'd have taken a flyer on one of those guys, any day.

But that's just my opinion.

Upshaw, Alexander, and Woods are all still available. None of them were drafted and were all eligible. I don't see any downside here by drafting a young prospect and then picking up the phone after the draft and giving those three guys a ring and asking if they'd like to come out for summer league with a chance to earn a camp invite.

Just seems a bit petty to say that they should have drafted differently when all of the three guys you mentioned went undrafted-- for good reason or not.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Sefko:

Dirk Nowitzki on Satnam Singh: "I didn't think it was possible but we drafted somebody slower than me"

[PartywithDirk]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Upshaw, Alexander, and Woods are all still available. None of them were drafted and were all eligible. I don't see any downside here by drafting a young prospect and then picking up the phone after the draft and giving those three guys a ring and asking if they'd like to come out for summer league with a chance to earn a camp invite.

Just seems a bit petty to say that they should have drafted differently when all of the three guys you mentioned went undrafted.

You believe that Singh would've been drafted if the Mavs didn't take him? I don't. So the situation is simply reversed. The difference is, if you believe those guys have more potential (as I do)...drafting one of them gives you the player. Waiting to see if you can beat out the other teams to sign them as a UFA, doesn't.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by PartywithDirk

You believe that Singh would've been drafted if the Mavs didn't take him? I don't. So the situation is simply reversed. The difference is, if you believe those guys have more potential (as I do)...drafting one of them gives you the player. Waiting to see if you can beat out the other teams to sign them as a UFA, doesn't.

DraftExpress has him at 61 ranked prospect, ahead of Larry Nance 64 who was drafted by the Lakers in the first round and ahead of Cady Lalanne at 71 who Spurs drafted in the 2nd just to give 2 examples.

[PartywithDirk]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

DraftExpress has him at 61 ranked prospect, ahead of Larry Nance 64 who was drafted by the Lakers in the first round and ahead of Cady Lalanne at 71 who Spurs drafted in the 2nd just to give 2 examples.

And they had:

Wood at 23
Upshaw at 29
Alexander at 42

Not sure what your point is?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by PartywithDirk

This dude looks like a marketing gimmick (first Indian born player, Cubes saying we now have a billion more fans, etc).

His frame alone makes him more than a gimmick... I think the "billion fans" is really just a silver lining if he busts. Besides, I doubt India is suddenly going to become interested in the Mavs just because we signed a guy to play on the Legends. It's not like we're talking about another Yao Ming here.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by PartywithDirk

And they had:

Wood at 23
Upshaw at 29
Alexander at 42

Not sure what your point is?

My point is merely that if there are 60 picks and he was rated 61 and ahead of a guy the Spurs, who get way too much draft credit, picked then why is he a gimmick pick merely because there could be some marketing benefits?

[PartywithDirk]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

My point is merely that if there are 60 picks and he was rated 61 and ahead of a guy the Spurs, who get way too much draft credit, picked then why is he a gimmick pick merely because there could be some marketing benefits?

Got it. I think the Spurs made a reach too, but I don't care about the Spurs since I'm a Mavs fan. Also, Lalanne played D1 basketball and has proven he has some amount of skill.

Again, I hope the kid is great. I just look at the videos:
Where no one on the opposition is half his size
Where it looks like he's running with leg braces on
Where he looks like a project if he was drafted in the 8th round (if there was one)
Played at a basketball academy against little to no competition

Add up those factors and, regardless of size, it looks like the definition of a reach, or a ploy, or a gimmick.

Again, just my opinion and I hope I'm wrong.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by PartywithDirk

You believe that Singh would've been drafted if the Mavs didn't take him? I don't. So the situation is simply reversed. The difference is, if you believe those guys have more potential (as I do)...drafting one of them gives you the player. Waiting to see if you can beat out the other teams to sign them as a UFA, doesn't.

Who cares? Your only argument was that we missed out on Upshaw, Woods, and Alexander. We didn't. I called you out and now you've changed your argument to Singh wouldn't have been drafted otherwise? Who cares if we drafted someone no one else would have if we didn't lose out on someone who can actually contribute. Instead, let me give you a list of guys we actually missed out on and tell me if we really lost out on any of them.
Sir'Dominic Pointer
Daniel Diez
Cady Lalanne
Branden Dawson
Nikola Radicevic
JP Tokoto
Dimitrios Agravanis
Luka Mitrovic

Which one of those eight players is going to be better? Which has more potential than a 7'2" bruiser who is still growing? Those eight guys are the only guys we missed out on by drafting Singh. I'm not saying Singh will turn out-- he probably won't, but stats tell us that none of the other eight guys drafted after him will even see a single minute of NBA time either.

Also, using Draftexpress rankings is awful. Manu Ginobli-- that guy who is a champ and has a wall filled with awards? He was #86 on the "top 100 prospects" of 1999. Were the Spurs dumb to have drafted a guy who was supposed to be 86th best at the 57th spot?

By that logic, there are also a dozen teams who have done incredibly poorly by drafting HIGHER than Draftexpress rated them. Draftexpress should never be used as an argument tool. It's a bunch of guys throwing spaghetti against the wall and tuning into all the different scouts. I know the numbers and rankings makes it easy to formulate an argument, but it is less valid than almost every single other measure of a draft.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I know the numbers and rankings makes it easy to formulate an argument, but it is less valid than almost every single other measure of a draft.

But.... They Mock'd Singh at 53 to the Cavs... and we got him at 52. I was ready to post something brilliant about how we scooped Lebron the GOAT GM/Coach/Player.

[PartywithDirk]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Who cares? Your only argument was that we missed out on Upshaw, Woods, and Alexander. We didn't. I called you out and now you've changed your argument to Singh wouldn't have been drafted otherwise? Who cares if we drafted someone no one else would have if we didn't lose out on someone who can actually contribute. Instead, let me give you a list of guys we actually missed out on and tell me if we really lost out on any of them.
Sir'Dominic Pointer
Daniel Diez
Cady Lalanne
Branden Dawson
Nikola Radicevic
JP Tokoto
Dimitrios Agravanis
Luka Mitrovic

Which one of those eight players is going to be better? Which has more potential than a 7'2" bruiser who is still growing? Those eight guys are the only guys we missed out on by drafting Singh. I'm not saying Singh will turn out-- he probably won't, but stats tell us that none of the other eight guys drafted after him will even see a single minute of NBA time either.

Also, using Draftexpress rankings is awful. Manu Ginobli-- that guy who is a champ and has a wall filled with awards? He was #86 on the "top 100 prospects" of 1999. Were the Spurs dumb to have drafted a guy who was supposed to be 86th best at the 57th spot?

By that logic, there are also a dozen teams who have done incredibly poorly by drafting HIGHER than Draftexpress rated them. Draftexpress should never be used as an argument tool. It's a bunch of guys throwing spaghetti against the wall and tuning into all the different scouts. I know the numbers and rankings makes it easy to formulate an argument, but it is less valid than almost every single other measure of a draft.

Is Singh your brother? I can't think of any other reason why you're taking this so personally.

My opinion is we had better options. I didn't change my story and if you think you "called me out" you don't understand what that means. If we don't sign Alexander, Upshaw, or Wood...we missed out on them. And the question still stands, do you think anyone after us would've drafted Singh or could we have signed him as an UFA?

As for the DraftExpress piece, I was responding to someone else who brought up where he was ranked by them. But don't let reading the responses get in the way of your rant.

Thanks.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Parsons was pick #38, Stephenson #40, Bharama #52... There's the 2nd Round, and then there's the 2nd Round; 12-14 spots is a pretty long drop in the draft.

And Thomas was a once-in-NBA-history anomaly.

If you feel that comfortable about a player though than why not trade up in the 2nd round then?

And Thomas may be a once in a NBA history anomaly but you don't have that shot if you just take that pick for granted and just throw it away.

Like I said, i'm not knocking our front office for not finding these guys because its not easy for them to even find 1st round picks but the approach is not the correct way.

Even in the NFL which I guess is a bit unfair to compare but you don't even see teams do that in the 7th round of drafts.

This team doesn't value 1st rounders though so i'm not sure why I feel they should even value a 2nd round pick either.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

My point is merely that if there are 60 picks and he was rated 61 and ahead of a guy the Spurs, who get way too much draft credit, picked then why is he a gimmick pick merely because there could be some marketing benefits?

How do the Spurs get way too much draft credit? Have you seen the players their organization has drafted despite having terrible picks year in and out?

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

If you feel that comfortable about a player though than why not trade up in the 2nd round then?

We tried. BG, Fish, and others have documented that we looked to move up, but teams wanted future picks for the privilege.