Street and Smith's top 10 NBA players ranked by position.

[FilthyFinMavs]

I disagree with most of this list but I posted it for 3 reasons. Dirk being ranked as the number 1 power fowards in the league, and Josh Howard being ranked as the 12th rookie in the league, and Jamison being ranked 3rd in small fowards. Couple of questions I have. Why is Finley ranked behind Stack, RIP, and Carter? Why is Nick Van Exel not on the list at all? Why is TD listed as a center? Why is he ahead of Shaq in the first place? We talk about the state of centers in this league but the small foward position is nothing flaterring. When did Zach Randolph become a small foward? Well anyway here is the list below. Dirk, Nash, and Jamison are ranked farely high. It has me even more pumped for the NBA season.:








Point Guards

1. Jason Kidd, New Jersey Nets
2. Stephon Marbury, Phoenix Suns
3. Steve Francis, Houston Rockets
4. Steve Nash, Dallas Mavericks
5. Mike Bibby, Sacramento Kings
6. Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs
7. Andre Miller, Denver Nuggets
8. Gary Payton, Los Angeles Lakers
9. Gilbert Arenas, Washington Wizards
10. Chauncey Billups, Detroit Pistons
11. Jason Terry, Atlanta Hawks
12. Baron Davis, New Orleans Hornets
13. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
14. Eric Snow, Philadelphia 76ers
15. Jason Williams, Memphis Grizzlies
16. Jamal Crawford, Chicago Bulls
17. T.J. Ford, Milwaukee Bucks
18. Sam Cassell, Minnesote Timberwolves
19. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
20. Brent Barry, Seattle Supersonics

Shooting Guards

1. Tracy McGrady, Orlando Magic
2. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
3. Allen Iverson, Philadelphia 76ers
4. Ray Allen, Seattle Supersonics
5. Vince Carter, Toronto Raptors
6. Richard Hamilton, Detroit Pistons
7. Jerry Stackhouse, Washington Wizards
8. Michael Finley, Dallas Mavericks
9. Allan Houston, New York Knicks
10. Eddie Jones, Miama Heat
11. Bonzi Wells, Portland Trailblazers
12. Michael Redd, Milwaukee Bucks
13. Wally Szczerbiak, Minnesota Timberwolves
14. Cuttino Mobley, Houston Rockets
15. Dajuan Wagner, Cleveland Cavaliers
16. Kerry Kittles, New Jersey Nets
17. James Posey, Memphis Grizzlies
18. Shane Battier, Memphis Grizzlies
19. Emanuel Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs
20. Jason Richardson, Golden State Warriors

Small Forwards

1. Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics
2. Shawn Marion, Phoenix Suns
3. Antawn Jamison, Dallas Mavericks
4. Jalen Rose, Chicago Bulls
5. Peja Stojakovic, Sacramento Kings
6. Glenn Robinson, Philadelphia 76ers
7. Jamal Mashburn, New Orleans Hornets
8. Rashard Lewis, Seattle Supersonics
9. Latrell Sprewell, Minnesota Timberwolves
10. Keith Van Horn, New York Knicks
11. Mike Miller, Memphis Grizzlies
12. Matt Harpring, Utah Jazz
13. Richard Jefferson, New Jersey Nets
14. Caron Butler, Miami Heat
15. Carmelo Anthony, Denver Nuggets
16. Ricky Davis, Cleveland Cavaliers
17. Lamar Odom, Miami Heat
18. Andrei Kirilenko, Utah Jazz
19. Drew Gooden, Orlando Magic
20. Zach Randolph, Portland Trailblazers

Power Forwards

1. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks
2. Kevin Garnett, Minnesota Timberwolves
3. Chris Webber, Sacramento Kings
4. Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana Pacers
5. Elton Brand, Los Angeles Clippers
6. Shareef Abdur-Rahim-Atlanta Hawks
7. Pau Gasol, Memphis Grizzlies
8. Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix Suns
9. Rasheed Wallace, Portland Trailblazers
10. Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons
11. Kenyon Martin, New Jersey Nets
12. Antoine Walker, Boston Celtics
13. Troy Murphy, Golden State Warriors
14. Antonio McDyess, New York Knicks
15. Karl Malone, Los Angeles Lakers
16. Nene, Denver Nuggets
17. Tyson Chandler, Chicago Bulls
18. P.J. Brown, New Orleans Hornets
19. Juwan Howard, Orlando Magic
20. Antonio Davis, Toronto Raptors

Centers

1.Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs
2. Shaquille O'Neal, Los Angeles Lakers
3. Yao Ming, Houston Rockets
4. Michael Olowokandi, Minnesota Timberwolves
5. Vlade Divac, Sacramento Kings
6. Alonzo Mourning, New Jersey Nets
7. Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cleveland Cavaliers
8. Brad Miller, Sacramento Kings
9. Eddy Curry, Chicago Bulls
10. Kurt Thomas, New York Knicks
11. Theo Ratliff, Atlanta Hawks
12. Lorenzen Wright, Memphis Grizzlies
13. Raef LaFrentz, Dallas Mavericks
14. Jamaal Magloire, New Orleans Hornets
15. Marcus Camby, Denver Nuggets
16. Dale Davis, Portland Trailblazers
17. Rasho Nesterovic, San Antonio Spurs
18. Darko Milicic, Detroit Pistons
19. Cliff Robinson, Detroit Pistons
20. Tony Battie, Boston Celtics

Rookies

1. Carmelo Anthony, Denver Nuggets
2. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
3. Darko Milicic, Detroit Pistons
4. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
5. T.J. Ford, Milwaukee Bucks
6. Chris Bosh, Toronto Raptors
7. Marcus Banks, Boston Celtics
8. Mike Sweetney, New York Knicks
9. Mickael Pietrus, Golden State Warriors
10. Chris Kaman, Los Angeles Clippers
11. David West, New Orleans Hornets
12. Josh Howard, Dallas Mavericks
13. Jarvis Hayes, Washington Wizards
14. Nick Collison, Seattle Supersonics
15. Kirk Hinrich, Chicago Bulls

[Murphy3]

interesting list..a few screwups

[MavsFanFinley]

Marbury and Francis ahead of Nash? I don't think so.

Carter, Stackhouse, and Hamilton ahead of Finley? I don't think so.

Rating Duncan as a center would put Dirk at #1 among power forwards, but Duncan should be #1 for power forwards.

[Bayliss]

It's their fantasy ranking. Not their overall ranking.

[Murphy3]

ah, ok..thanks doobs

[FilthyFinMavs]

Originally posted by: Bayliss
It's their fantasy ranking. Not their overall ranking.

You sure about that? That would explain alot. I was told these were players ranked by position. It would make alot more sense if it was fantasy points though.

[u2sarajevo]

Funny thing that Raef says he is not a center and he is listed as the 13th best.

But if it was fantasy ratings it wouldn't be as funny. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

[EricaLubarsky]

That is totally off, but Ill take

13th best Center
1st Power Forward
3rd Small Forward
8th shooting guard
4th pount guard

and the 12th best rookie coming off the bench?

If it was that simple, then we would be a shoe-in for rings.

And Juwan Howrd for Power Forward? sheesh.

[OutletPass]

You just read my mind, Erica.

Scary.

Er...nice post..

[Rhylan]

The lists do make some sense from a fantasy perspective, but a side note....

When will the illusion that Steve Francis is a top 5 PG fade away?????

I go:
Kidd
Nash
Marbury
Payton

After that, it doesn't really matter. Parker is better than Bibby, in my mind. Marbury REALLY stepped it up last year.

[MFFL]

The fantasy ranking explanation clears up one minor problem I was having - no way is Baron Davis the 12th best pg.

[mavs413]

Why is Payton soo low? I dont think it is fantasy numbers, it wouldnt make sense that way. If that were the case, Ricky Davis would be 5th or so for SFs and not 17th (he averaged 21 ppg last year)

[Usually Lurkin]

It's gotta be fantasy ratings (which I don't really understand).
Because I don't understand how fantasy play works, could someone explain something?

In what fantasy world does this make sense:

TJ Ford is a better point guard than Dwayne Wade
but
Dwayne Wade is a better rookie than TJ Ford.

[Hitman]

I read Street and Smiths in the drug store the other day and I can say with certainty that these are their fantasy rankings.

Also, the frigging thing is so outdated for an NBA preview magazine...they were saying the Mavericks have stood pat all summer!

[Simon2]

Anyone notice that Anthony is ahead of James in the rookie list. This list was just put out there to illicit a response.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally posted by: Hitman
I read Street and Smiths in the drug store the other day and I can say with certainty that these are their fantasy rankings.

Also, the frigging thing is so outdated for an NBA preview magazine...they were saying the Mavericks have stood pat all summer!

I know! It was talking about another year of NVE and about small ball. I was bummed. For a preview of the next season, they sure put out the magazine prematurely.

[mavs413]

Originally posted by: Hitman
I read Street and Smiths in the drug store the other day and I can say with certainty that these are their fantasy rankings.

Also, the frigging thing is so outdated for an NBA preview magazine...they were saying the Mavericks have stood pat all summer!

Then why next to Jamison's name does it say Dallas Mavericks and not Golden State Warriors?

[EricaLubarsky]

Then why next to Jamison's name does it say Dallas Mavericks and not Golden State Warriors?

The magazine I read says Jamison is in Golden State. It's still talking abour Dunleavy/Jamison at Sf.

[MFFL]

Originally posted by: Hitman
I read Street and Smiths in the drug store the other day and I can say with certainty that these are their fantasy rankings.

Also, the frigging thing is so outdated for an NBA preview magazine...they were saying the Mavericks have stood pat all summer!

To have the magazine ready for a mid-Sep release date the magazine was probably at the printer by Aug 1st. The magazine has no chance to be timely any more. The internet is killing these types of magazines.

[kg_veteran]

I used to read/buy several a year before the Internet became prevalent. Now, I usually just buy one -- The Sporting News NBA Season Preview, or whatever it's actually titled.

[FilthyFinMavs]

I don't understand fantasy rankings myself. If its fantasy rankings though how did they rank the rookies? Lebron and Carmelo have never played a NBA game.

[u2sarajevo]

Originally posted by: FilthyFinMavs
I don't understand fantasy rankings myself. If its fantasy rankings though how did they rank the rookies? Lebron and Carmelo have never played a NBA game.

That is why fantasy rankings are bogus. They rely too much on assumptions.

[FilthyFinMavs]

Originally posted by: u2sarajevo

That is why fantasy rankings are bogus. They rely too much on assumptions.

So they assume Nick won't be top 20 playing for the Warriors lol? I agree very bogus.

[Rod1975]

The total absence of NVE totally undermines the crediblilty of this list.

[jayC]

You could argue that duncan was the most dominant player in the game. After all he did beat shaq in the post a few times. To me Duncan is more of a center then really a power forward. I mean hes an excellent shot blocker, post player and rebounder.

As for why carter, rip and stack are ahead of Findawg. The two guard postion after T-Mac and Kobe becomes a whos who because so many of those guards have similar games.

The point guard positon is very puzzling mike bibby the fourth best pg, hes not even the best pg on his own team bobby is.

Francis is the more talented guard but Im not sure if hes a pont guard more of an off guard. If you slide him over to the two guard he becomes very formidable.

1) Kidd
2) Nash
3) Marbury
4) Payton
Everyone else.

[Murphy3]

i'm not sure if i'd put marbury over payton..i might flip flop that. actually, i like payton better than kidd

[FilthyFinMavs]

Originally posted by: Murphy3
i'm not sure if i'd put marbury over payton..i might flip flop that. actually, i like payton better than kidd

What kills Payton is his contract. People assume that he is a 4.9 mill exception type player and he isn't. This guy is still a top 5 pg in this league. Hell i'd argue that he is the best pg in this league. He can dish out the ball, defend, and score. What other pg can do that as effeciently as Gary does?

[Murphy3]

nah..i don't think many people looking at him as an exception type guy. most people are smart enough to realize that he's shooting for the ring

[MavsFanatik33]

That is awesome that Dirk is number one. Stephon is not better than Nash though, and Richard Hamilton or Jerry Stackhouse are not better than Fin. Raef made the countdown, nice!