This would be something right here

[BGMaverick9]

Dallas and the Clippers:

Jason Kidd

for

Baron Davis and Kaman

The biggest negative you get out of this is basically out of Cuban's pocket. He'll be over the cap by far and dreams of 2010 and beyond will be all but gone. You look at the summer of 10 and you'll have around 74 mil committed to Dirk, Damp, Jet, Carroll and the new duo. You're basically just getting guys with the MLE, LLE, and Bird's Rights to fill the roster. Of course, that isn't new for us but we'd have better weapons to start out with from the get-go.

Baron,
Wright
Howard
Dirk
Kaman

You would still have Jet, Damp, Bass, Wright, Carroll, and etc for this year. You can still use your chips of Bass + Stack and etc to get something else to tide you over while you can still make moves if need be.

It's pretty simple why the Clippers would do this...they're cheap. Baron is a mega contract and they'll be trying to shed themselves of it but will be hard-pressed to find a taker. To be free of all of that salary and keep regrouping in the cheap way...they'd love it.

You seriously have taken care of some major issues:
big man - check
attacking guard - check
score inside and outside - check
swagger - check

This would be some deal if Cuban actually did it.

[young_gunner]

i think davis needs a change of locations cause it seems that hes not having a great time w the clipps. but why would the clippers pull the trigger on this trade???

[frankvizza]

nice trade there only thing will the clippers do that , kaman and baron with us = champions

[Itachi]

I would love this trade. It seems so one sided...in our favor.

[BGMaverick9]

It's the gratification of getting out of the deal of Baron. They were thinking they could pair him up with Brand and they had to offer a ton of money to get him there, Brand bolted and they were left with an overpriced B.Diddy. They're going to look to get out of that deal any way possible, the problem is that owners are going to know that and most of them won't want to touch that contract. Everyone knows the Clippers are cheap...if they can get out of that deal, they'll do it.

If you have to add something to the pot, as long as it's not drastic and killing the capology of the deal, then whatever makes it work.

[bobatundi]

Kidd + Howard + Stackhouse

for

Davis + Kaman + Randolph

Clips unload their three biggest contracts and are legitimate players in 2010--while saving a boatload of money in the meantime. They get Kidd & Stack's expirings, and a decent player/tradeable asset in Josh.

Mavs get a PG who can score, a C who can score, and a solid low post PF option. Zach comes off the bench and backs up Dirk, plays some PF while Dirk moves over to C, and if they want to go big, they have all three on the floor at once. Terry can start at the 2 if Baron is starting at the 1. SF, well, we make do with what's on the roster this year (George, Wright, Singleton, whoever) and sign someone with the MLE in the offseason.

[bobatundi]

Oh, and throw in Bass, cash, picks if needed to make the above work. That makes us a legit contender this year and beyond, while giving up the illusion that anyone is coming here in 2010.

[Robillion]

Anyone against such a deal on our side would be crazy... but cmon, do things work out like that for the Mavs. Nah. ... You know there are going to be a lot of teams with cap space in 2010 that overpay for mediocre players because all the stars will be off the table. Will anyone really goto the clips? They cant make it work with Davis, Camby, Randolph, Kaman, Thorntan, Gordan, etc... if it is just because of the injury bug then they should stay put. When that team is healthy, where is their weakness in personnel? If we switched players, wouldnt we be yelling Championship!

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by bobatundi

Kidd + Howard + Stackhouse

for

Davis + Kaman + Randolph

Clips unload their three biggest contracts and are legitimate players in 2010--while saving a boatload of money in the meantime. They get Kidd & Stack's expirings, and a decent player/tradeable asset in Josh.

Mavs get a PG who can score, a C who can score, and a solid low post PF option. Zach comes off the bench and backs up Dirk, plays some PF while Dirk moves over to C, and if they want to go big, they have all three on the floor at once. Terry can start at the 2 if Baron is starting at the 1. SF, well, we make do with what's on the roster this year (George, Wright, Singleton, whoever) and sign someone with the MLE in the offseason.

I like this one better than Randolph. He just doesn't play enough defense to win a championship around. But on the same ideas generated.

Successful Trade Scenario

Trade ID #4955539
Dallas Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +20.0 ppg, +11.1 rpg, and +1.8 apg.
Incoming Players
Chris Kaman
7-0 C from Central Michigan
13.9 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 1.9 apg in 35.5 minutes
Baron Davis
6-3 PG from UCLA
17.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 8.0 apg in 37.2 minutes
Jamario Moon
6-8 SF from Meridian (CC)
7.4 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 25.5 minutes
Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 PF from Eau Claire (HS)
13.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Jerry Stackhouse
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
4.7 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 15.6 minutes
Josh Howard
6-5 SG / SF from Wake Forest
18.0 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 33.0 minutes
Jason Kidd
6-4 PG from California
9.1 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 8.2 apg in 35.4 minutes

L.A. Clippers Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -22.1 ppg, -6.3 rpg, and -1.7 apg.
Incoming Players
Jason Kidd
6-4 PG from California
9.1 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 8.2 apg in 35.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Chris Kaman
7-0 C from Central Michigan
13.9 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 1.9 apg in 35.5 minutes
Baron Davis
6-3 PG from UCLA
17.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 8.0 apg in 37.2 minutes

Toronto Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +2.1 ppg, -4.8 rpg, and -0.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Jerry Stackhouse
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
4.7 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 15.6 minutes
Josh Howard
6-5 SG / SF from Wake Forest
18.0 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 33.0 minutes
Outgoing Players
Jamario Moon
6-8 SF from Meridian (CC)
7.4 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 25.5 minutes
Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 PF from Eau Claire (HS)
13.2 ppg, 7.0 rpg,
---------------

Dallas trades Kidd for Baron and Kaman.
Dallas trades Howard and Stack for JO and Moon. (if Toronto wants to move JO's contract, I can see them doing this)

Dallas picks up a huge bill, but has a dominant frontcourt which can handle the injury bug lots better than now.

Dallas has a scoring PG, with some "other" skills.

Baron, Terry, Dirk, Oneal, Kaman : with Moon, Wright, Damp coming off the bench. Win the battle inside every night. Start Moon at the SF, and bring JO off the bench. Start Wright and bring Terry off the bench. Exceptionally versatile at this point -- and costly, but wow the possibility of dethroning the Lakers and Celtics and Cavaliers and Magic ---- This year if they could come together.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

I like this one better than Randolph. He just doesn't play enough defense to win a championship around. But on the same ideas generated.

Randolph doesn't play enough defense but Dirk does? Randolph would be coming off the bench in his scenario anyway. I think you take the bench scoring and post offense on the 2nd unit over the solid defender.

[BGMaverick9]

If he's on the 2nd unit then the flaws won't be AS bad because he'll be playing against the 2nd unit of the other team.

I think it's getting a little overboard with Adding Josh to the mix and throwing in Randolph but if that would be something Clippers wanna do: further add to the savings, then we'll take it.

I'd be perfectly content with my idea (add Bass if we need to) and then maybe tinkering with Stack and Howard if need be.

[alby]

haha talk about a blockbuster

[frankvizza]

if dampier needs to be used let him go as well

[bobatundi]

Absolutely--if we acquire Kaman and either Randolph or O'Neal, Damp is extremely expendable. I don't care the financial cost, this is a championship lineup. Cubes would gladly pay cash for a ring.

[jthig32]

Any lineup that puts Dirk at SF is not based in reality.

[SMC0007]

Where did that come from? That would be a horrible mistake.

[ghazi]

What's the appeal, all Diddy and Kaman do is miss games.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Any lineup that puts Dirk at SF is not based in reality.

Yes, but Dirk plays the conventional SF on the offensive end nearly every night.

Not on the defensive, but on the offensive -- he does. Bird played SF, and IMO, Dirk is quicker than Larry -- just not as "confident".

JO, coming off the bench like McHale did though........now that is a thought.

Dirk at SF for a time, and Dirk at C for a time -- work in small doses.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

Yes, but Dirk plays the conventional SF on the offensive end nearly every night.

Not on the defensive, but on the offensive -- he does. Bird played SF, and IMO, Dirk is quicker than Larry -- just not as "confident".

JO, coming off the bench like McHale did though........now that is a thought.

Dirk at SF for a time, and Dirk at C for a time -- work in small doses.

In small doses perhaps.

As Skin likes to say, in the NBA, you are what you can defend.

[alby]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

Yes, but Dirk plays the conventional SF on the offensive end nearly every night.

Not on the defensive, but on the offensive -- he does. Bird played SF, and IMO, Dirk is quicker than Larry -- just not as "confident".

JO, coming off the bench like McHale did though........now that is a thought.

Dirk at SF for a time, and Dirk at C for a time -- work in small doses.

Bird also played against slower, weaker, and less athletic guys.

[Zki41]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...&te=&cash=12:6

This could help get rid the Clippers get well under the cap with expirings, and over the next 2 years sign 2 coveted free agents and get a quality draft pick to rebuild.

We also wouldn't have to trade Howard.. but this may be a stretch.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Zki41

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...&te=&cash=12:6

This could help get rid the Clippers get well under the cap with expirings, and over the next 2 years sign 2 coveted free agents and get a quality draft pick to rebuild.

We also wouldn't have to trade Howard.. but this may be a stretch.

For whatever reason, you KNOW George won't sign off on that.

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

For whatever reason, you KNOW George won't sign off on that.

Yeah, and we know that hasn't happened before...

[bobatundi]

Couple other ideas.

Sixers, according to Chad Ford, are looking to dump Elton Brand. Josh + Stack for Brand + Evans works on paper. Gets them out of two contracts they don't want, gets us a legit low-post presence.

Same pair--Stack & Howard--could also land Bosh (or better yet, Bosh + Moon) if the Raptors conclude they won't be able to resign him anyway. It's one thing to think we can sign Bosh with cap room--but if we already have him here, playing next to Dirk, and can offer him the most money, then I like our chances of keeping him here.