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Windmill360 · 05-15-2008, 04:45 PM

Nets must aggressively pursue major trade
Thursday, May 15, 2008
Last updated: Thursday May 15, 2008, EDT 12:49 PM BY AL IANNAZZONESTAFF WRITER

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Nets president Rod Thorn and general manager Kiki Vandeweghe talked of keeping the nucleus together after finishing 34-48 this past season, but that's not what they want. That's not their plan.

They would like to do something big. Remember Thorn's specialty has been pulling off blockbusters and Vandeweghe rebuilt the Nuggets when he was their GM.

Thinking big, the Nets have had exploratory conversations with Denver about Carmelo Anthony and Marcus Camby, league sources said. Vandeweghe traded for Camby and drafted Anthony in Denver.

Nothing is imminent. The Nuggets are not committed to moving Anthony yet. But after his recent legal troubles plus five straight first-round losses, they are listening to offers for their players.

More big names could become available by the end of the playoffs and as the draft nears. All the coaching changes could lead teams to shake up their rosters to fit their style.

Having said that, the Nets have assets to do something: three draft picks, Keith Van Horn's contract, young players Marcus Williams, Sean Williams, Josh Boone, Richard Jefferson coming off his best statistical season, Nenad Krstic's contract that they can use in a sign-and-trade and one $3.3 million trade exception from the Jason Kidd deal. (It was two, but the league changed it.)

A big night for the Nets will be Tuesday's draft lottery. When they know where they will select – if form holds it will be No. 10 – they can decide what to do with their picks and see how valuable they are around the league.

With two first-rounders, the Nets are prime candidates to deal. Although Vandeweghe said they want to get younger, the ultimate plan is getting better. Adding a major piece like an Anthony would do that.

The Nets may not have enough to get him, but they have to be aggressively pursue moves this off-season. Returning the same team would be a big mistake.

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/Ne...jor_trade.html

fluid.forty.one · 05-15-2008, 04:48 PM

The end of that didn't make sense to me. The writer implicated that trading for melo would make them better but not younger... Isn't melo only 23?

Dr.Zoidberg · 05-15-2008, 04:51 PM

Yeah, but Camby is already 34 and they have to give up first round picks.

Bookit · 05-15-2008, 04:51 PM

Great, now the Mavs will likely face Devin in the Western Conference 4 times a year. It is still easy to like the guy playing in the East.

Burn this City · 05-15-2008, 05:05 PM

^they'd get rid of Marcus Williams before they'd trade Harris...

Dirkadirkastan · 05-15-2008, 05:15 PM

Yeah, I don't see Devin mentioned anywhere in that proposal.

Burn this City · 05-15-2008, 05:33 PM

On a semi-related note, why does Kiki Vandeweghe look stoned all the time?

Bookit · 05-15-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Burn this City

^they'd get rid of Marcus Williams before they'd trade Harris...

Other teams will want Devin.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 05-15-2008, 08:55 PM

I wonder if they'd give up Devin Harris, we could give them Jason Kidd.

Tokey41 · 05-15-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

I wonder if they'd give up Devin Harris, we could give them Jason Kidd.

They aren't that stupid.

LonghornDub · 05-15-2008, 10:35 PM

Are there really still people playing the Devin Harris > Jason Kidd card? Really?

Dtownsfinest · 05-15-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

I wonder if they'd give up Devin Harris, we could give them Jason Kidd.

The GM would be fired on the spot.

Underdog · 05-15-2008, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

Are there really still people playing the Devin Harris > Jason Kidd card? Really?

It's going to be a loooong off-season!

Tokey41 · 05-15-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

It's going to be a loooong off-season!

Looks like the trade didn't work out so well, huh? Who could have forseen this outcome...

I don't get how people can say we wouldn't be better off with Harris or Diop. Do you think we would have missed the playoffs? Do you think we would have been swept instead? It doesn't matter, no matter what you think would have went down it would really just be the same result, no championship. And that's why this deal sucks and the denial around here is getting old fast. It's never too late to man up and admit an error though.

Underdog · 05-15-2008, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokey41

Looks like the trade didn't work out so well, huh? Who could have forseen this outcome...

I don't get how people can say we wouldn't be better off with Harris or Diop. Do you think we would have missed the playoffs? Do you think we would have been swept instead? It doesn't matter, no matter what you think would have went down it would really just be the same result, no championship. And that's why this deal sucks and the denial around here is getting old fast. It's never too late to man up and admit an error though.

Well, that's just, like, your OPINION, man...

nashtymavsfan13 · 05-16-2008, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

Are there really still people playing the Devin Harris > Jason Kidd card? Really?

Maybe not head to head like that, but there are definitely people who don't like the trade, including me. I hated it from the beginning, and still hate it.

Burn this City · 05-16-2008, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bookit

Other teams will want Devin.

Other teams really want LeBron too but you don't see the Cavs getting rid of him...

Bookit · 05-16-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Burn this City

Other teams really want LeBron too but you don't see the Cavs getting rid of him...

You can't be serious. The Mavs would have never traded LeBron to NJ in the first place.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 05-16-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

Are there really still people playing the Devin Harris > Jason Kidd card? Really?

Pretty sure it was a joke.

Caseman · 05-16-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Well, that's just, like, your OPINION, man...

Is that the guy in Pulp Fiction? He always looked like Jesus to me.

Dr.Zoidberg · 05-16-2008, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Caseman

Is that the guy in Pulp Fiction? He always looked like Jesus to me.

???

This is: "The Big Lebowski" also known as THE DUDE

By the way a great movie, one of my favorites.

Caseman · 05-16-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Zoidberg

???

This is: "The Big Lebowski" also known as THE DUDE

By the way a great movie, one of my favorites.

Oh, I thought he was that drug dealer in Pulp Fiction. Either way, they both look like Jesus.

Thespiralgoeson · 05-17-2008, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Caseman

Oh, I thought he was that drug dealer in Pulp Fiction. Either way, they both look like Jesus.

That's Jeff Bridges, man. Pretty famous actor. The guy from Pulp Fiction was Eric Stoltz. Younger, and not nearly as famous.

As for the Nets making a "major trade" Carmelo would be as good a pickup as any for them, but sersiously, what do they have that could possibly benefit Denver. This is just my personal opinion, but I think Denver's retarded if they let Carmelo go, unless they're getting another franchise player in return, like Bosh or somebody.

alby · 05-17-2008, 10:53 AM

New Jersey should just use their draft picks and draft young talent. Develop the young guys and once Lebron joins them, they'll be a force in the East.

Robillion · 05-17-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

That's Jeff Bridges, man. Pretty famous actor. The guy from Pulp Fiction was Eric Stoltz. Younger, and not nearly as famous.

As for the Nets making a "major trade" Carmelo would be as good a pickup as any for them, but sersiously, what do they have that could possibly benefit Denver. This is just my personal opinion, but I think Denver's retarded if they let Carmelo go, unless they're getting another franchise player in return, like Bosh or somebody.

I dont know.. Denver has tried having the killer starting lineup. To me, they have the best looking lineup in the league. and even a decent looking bench. So... seems like they just need someone else running the show. The question for them is... do they trade off AI/Camby that are getting pretty old ? or do they trade Carmelo that is still very young, but isnt very motivated and has some attitude issues? It is a risky decision for them.

Personally, I dont think Carmelo is going to get any worse any time soon. Has definitely has time and room for improvement and I think he just needs some type of motivation.

Dirkadirkastan · 05-17-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tokey41

Looks like the trade didn't work out so well, huh? Who could have forseen this outcome...

I don't get how people can say we wouldn't be better off with Harris or Diop. Do you think we would have missed the playoffs? Do you think we would have been swept instead? It doesn't matter, no matter what you think would have went down it would really just be the same result, no championship. And that's why this deal sucks and the denial around here is getting old fast. It's never too late to man up and admit an error though.

The only reason I like the trade is the immense turnaround our franchise player made afterwards.

People forget just how bad he played before. The last two months, he's been playing his best ball of his career.

No analysis of the trade can be complete when ignoring this fact.

Give Kidd a full year, and Dirk just might shoot 50% from the arc.

Thespiralgoeson · 05-17-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Robillion

I dont know.. Denver has tried having the killer starting lineup. To me, they have the best looking lineup in the league. and even a decent looking bench. So... seems like they just need someone else running the show. The question for them is... do they trade off AI/Camby that are getting pretty old ? or do they trade Carmelo that is still very young, but isnt very motivated and has some attitude issues? It is a risky decision for them.

Personally, I dont think Carmelo is going to get any worse any time soon. Has definitely has time and room for improvement and I think he just needs some type of motivation.

Trading Carmelo is one thing, but if you're going to trade him it's gotta be for more than peanuts. I mean, at least get an all-star and some pieces you put around Iverson. Even then, I still think that's risky at best. If you just HAVE to trade somebody, trade Iverson. I never thought trading for him was a good idea anyway (that's in no way a knock on Iverson, who I've always been a HUGE fan of)

Tokey41 · 05-17-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

The only reason I like the trade is the immense turnaround our franchise player made afterwards.

People forget just how bad he played before. The last two months, he's been playing his best ball of his career.

No analysis of the trade can be complete when ignoring this fact.

Give Kidd a full year, and Dirk just might shoot 50% from the arc.

Dirk was all for the trade because he knew SOMETHING had to be done, and I agree with that. But turnaround? Come on. He is a perennial top PER player, you know he's going to get his in an efficient manner, so was Kidd a necessity or a luxury?

Even if Dirk is going to go off every night it doesn't matter unless Kidd helps our severely overrated supporting cast. The question you need to ask yourself is... has he done that? Well, he's giving Damp the occassional basket... which is nice... but what about Howard emerging as all-star material or Terry becoming a that 3 point specialist?