BCS National Championship: Longhorns or Crimson Tide? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

mary · 01-07-2010, 12:15 PM

All bets must be placed before 7:00 CST.

ShaggyDirk · 01-07-2010, 03:26 PM

Roll Tide!

RareMilk · 01-07-2010, 10:06 PM

So uh...McCoy comes back O.K. next half we have a chance right? He is no-go keep watching the 2nd half?

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 01-07-2010, 10:18 PM

It's over now with or without McCoy.

Usually Lurkin · 01-07-2010, 11:54 PM

nope. it's over now.

Flacolaco · 01-08-2010, 12:48 AM

That Alabama QB is by far the worst QB I've ever seen win anything. Has that guy ever heard of throwing the ball away to avoid taking a sack? What a douche.

Good game though.

Five-ofan · 01-08-2010, 06:57 AM

the officiating was bad but ive come to accept that in sports. Officials are just bad. If they could do something well, they wouldnt be officiating. That said hats off to Bama. They deserved to be the champs. Gilbert is gonna be special though.

Also, why in the hell does everyone act like mark ingram sr is such a special guy? Give his son all the credit in the world for coming from that background but dont forget that ingram sr had every advantage you could ask for and still managed to eff up his life so his son had to grow up with a father who was in jail. The glorifying of him that has gone on the last couple of months is just moronic.

Male30Dan · 01-08-2010, 09:02 AM

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92bDad · 01-08-2010, 10:46 AM

Dang it...I tried the reverse jinx and wound up winning the vbookie bet.

I couldn't stomach watching the game after McCoy went down...sure the Horns had some bright spots in an attempt to come back, but overall...3 and outs by both sides made for a fairly dull game.

Congrats to the Seniors on both squads...for most of those seniors it will be the last game of football that they play. No glorified retirement speech...these players have given their young lives to football, and just like that...it's over and life begins.

Best of wishes and success as they take on that next chapter in life...we have been truly entertained as fans.

Male30Dan · 01-08-2010, 02:29 PM

Asterisk LINK

Flacolaco · 01-08-2010, 04:43 PM

That's a tough way to lose a game for sure...but it's not Alabama's fault. It's not like they cheated like 'roid users and the Miami Heat.

Male30Dan · 01-08-2010, 05:11 PM

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That's a tough way to lose a game for sure...but it's not Alabama's fault. It's not like they cheated like 'roid users and the Miami Heat.

Hahaha - nice.

ocelot_ark · 01-08-2010, 09:23 PM

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That's a tough way to lose a game for sure...but it's not Alabama's fault. It's not like they cheated like 'roid users and the Miami Heat.

Exactly. This is f'ing FOOTBALL last time I checked. Injuries are a part of the game. Don't like it? Prepare the backup in some of those blowouts against lesser teams so he's not as green. But to say that Bama's championship should have an * is asinine.

ShaggyDirk · 01-08-2010, 10:14 PM

didn't UT get an * last year too? how many do you get?

Why don't we instead talk about the class of Colt McCoy? He won me over last night.

Five-ofan · 01-09-2010, 03:37 AM

this game doesnt get an * anymore than uts win over oklahoma has one.

Male30Dan · 01-09-2010, 11:28 AM

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Murphy3 · 01-10-2010, 12:43 AM

just a disappointing way to lose a game. Alabama has nothing to apologize about... However, UT has to wonder 'what if'. With UT's defense and a healthy McCoy, I like their chances.

LonghornDub · 01-10-2010, 01:10 AM

My seat for this heart-wrenching game:

I can't even describe the mood of the stadium when we saw Colt walk into the tunnel. Talk about surreal.

*edit to add* What you can't really see in this picture is that, behind that pole, the cops are tackling and arresting a dude in gold spandex who ran onto the field and did several cartwheels. Javier Arenas, the Bama punt returner back in this picture, was visibly laughing.

Flacolaco · 01-10-2010, 01:52 AM

If congress really wants to get involved with sports, they need to write a bill that demands full coverage of idiots running out onto fields like that guy, and multiple replays.

ocelot_ark · 01-10-2010, 01:58 AM

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If Ingram doesn't miss all that time, it's probably an even wider margin of victory for Bama.

(37* - 21)*^

* - Alabama's Ingram misses significant time. Bama's score would have been higher if he hadn't gotten cramps.

*^ - UT's McCoy would have helped UT score more points but done nothing to keep his defense for getting gashed all day long by Bama's running game.

PUSH.

LonghornDub · 01-10-2010, 02:43 AM

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If Ingram doesn't miss all that time, it's probably an even wider margin of victory for Bama.

(37* - 21)*^

* - Alabama's Ingram misses significant time. Bama's score would have been higher if he hadn't gotten cramps.

*^ - UT's McCoy would have helped UT score more points but done nothing to keep his defense for getting gashed all day long by Bama's running game.

PUSH.

Ingram missing less than a quarter--by the way, Richardson would have played some of those drives anyway, because that's what Saban does--is a "push" with McCoy missing the entire game other than the first five plays?

Not only is that completely nonsensical, but you are really outing yourself as a bitter Arkansas fan. Understandable, considering what happened the last time Arkansas played Texas. I don't buy the "asterisk" talk myself, but you're going so far the other way that you've lost all credibility.

ocelot_ark · 01-10-2010, 11:17 PM

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Ingram missing less than a quarter--by the way, Richardson would have played some of those drives anyway, because that's what Saban does--is a "push" with McCoy missing the entire game other than the first five plays?

Not only is that completely nonsensical, but you are really outing yourself as a bitter Arkansas fan. Understandable, considering what happened the last time Arkansas played Texas. I don't buy the "asterisk" talk myself, but you're going so far the other way that you've lost all credibility.

Just fighting ridiculous sentiment with ridiculous sentiment. I'm not, at all, advocating any kind of asterisk. I'm just pointing out how utterly stupid it is to say that, somehow, Alabama's championship is cheapened by an injury.

But hey, feel free to make yourself feel better by bringing up Arkansas. Doesn't change the fact that Alabama beat you. You know who else beat the shit out of Arkansas last year, besides Texas? Alabama and Florida. Sooo...what exactly am I bitter about?

Male30Dan · 01-10-2010, 11:19 PM

In all seriousness guys. Anyone that thinks that UT wouldn't have either won or, no - just flat out won, that game if Colt would have been in the entire time is really, really tricking themselves. 24-21 WITH THREE MINUTES TO PLAY... We could have won with a red-shirt freshman. Do you really think if Colt played that the score would have been there? Do you think if Colt played we would have thrown 4 picks? Do you think if Colt played you would have been gift-wrapped a touch down right before Halftime. What about the dropped touch down by #9, (among his 4 total drops - he catches that and no half-time poo and we win EVEN WITH A REDSHIRT FRESHMAN TAKING THE SNAPS).

I genuinely have no doubt in my mind that we win that game with Colt. It is such a shame that the real champion wasn't chosen on that field. All that was "decided" was whether or not Alabama could beat UT WITH a redshirt freshman at the helm, and with 3 minutes in the game those fuckers were biting their nails quite uncertain of the answer.

No asterisk??? Bitches please.

Male30Dan · 01-10-2010, 11:22 PM

And just to offer in passing - go lick your taint Ark.

ocelot_ark · 01-10-2010, 11:28 PM

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And just to offer in passing - go lick your taint Ark.

Real mature, Dan.

Male30Dan · 01-10-2010, 11:30 PM

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Real mature, Dan.

I love you. Is that better?

ocelot_ark · 01-10-2010, 11:31 PM

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In all seriousness guys. Anyone that thinks that UT wouldn't have either won or, no - just flat out won, that game if Colt would have been in the entire time is really, really tricking themselves. 24-21 WITH THREE MINUTES TO PLAY... We could have won with a red-shirt freshman. Do you really think if Colt played that the score would have been there? Do you think if Colt played we would have thrown 4 picks? Do you think if Colt played you would have been gift-wrapped a touch down right before Halftime. What about the dropped touch down by #9, (among his 4 total drops - he catches that and no half-time poo and we win EVEN WITH A REDSHIRT FRESHMAN TAKING THE SNAPS).

I genuinely have no doubt in my mind that we win that game with Colt. It is such a shame that the real champion wasn't chosen on that field. All that was "decided" was whether or not Alabama could beat UT WITH a redshirt freshman at the helm, and with 3 minutes in the game those fuckers were biting their nails quite uncertain of the answer.

No asterisk??? Bitches please.

Perhaps you should follow another sport if you don't like the fact that injuries are potentially devastating to either team in a football game.

Male30Dan · 01-10-2010, 11:43 PM

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Perhaps you should follow another sport if you don't like the fact that injuries are potentially devastating to either team in a football game.

My point is not that Alabama doesn't deserve the win. My point is simply that the win would not have come had Colt remained healthy. Yes, injuries are a part of the game. Yes Colt was injured flinging himself into a defender. Yes, he probably COULD HAVE come back, though at quite a bit less than the player he normally is. I am just stating that, all things being equal, the game would have been quite a bit different. Look at the first series of UT and the first of Alabama. I have read quite a bit about Ingram's rushing and our inability to stop him, (and to an extent, their other quality back). I say to that to keep in mind that these athletes are not robots either. Do you honestly think that if you just lost your entire offense, (and let's not pretend that Colt isn't that), that you wouldn't be effected in any way? You wouldn't see drive after drive go three and out, (or a turnover), and see you having to start defending time and time again from YOUR 45 and get both tired as well as mentally defeated? You don't think they, as men much younger than I am, feel like they just got shat on with regards to their unfortunate luck?

I personally think that our defense plays much better and obviously our offense plays much better if that injury never happens. Yes, injuries are a part of all sports, (much more so in football obviously), but my point about the asterisk is that Alabama did NOT, I repeat, did NOT defeat the previously undefeated Longhorns. They defeated the previously undefeated Longhorns without the person that made their entire offense click. So the defense played a GREAT deal longer than they normally do and grew tired both physically and mentally as a result. Yet still, with 3 minutes to play, we still had a chance to win the game again a team that was quite a bit healthier, (despite the stud RB missing roughly a quarter).

Maybe you knock Brown for developing an offense that couldn't sustain a major injury to Colt. Maybe you knock the D and their intensity or the coordinator. All I know is that the best team was NOT decided - regardless of who you root for. Many said that that weren't fans of either. It was bad for college football. The best team was not decided, period. Therefore, in my opinion, there will forever be an asterisk next to this championship. Does Alabama deserve that? No. I have nothing against them. But they did not beat the team that made it that far. They beat that same team minus their most valuable player. The same team minus their Heisman candidate, (who should have won last year and should have won this year to make up for last year). The same team minus their heart. So, despite it not being their fault, again, in my opinion, they will forever have an asterisk next to their title.

ocelot_ark · 01-10-2010, 11:59 PM

Couple things:

Is it possible Alabama's defense relaxed when McCoy went down? I'd say so. If Texas' offense and defense were both deflated, I'd say at least some of Texas' success in the 2nd half can just as easily be explained as Alabama's defense relaxing due to the absence of Texas' best player.

Dont'a Hightower has been hurt for Alabama since the 4th game of the year and he was a freshman all-american and one of their best pass rushers. They're a better team with him on the field. Does his absence equate to McCoy's absence? No. But it's a slippery slope of hypotheticals that'll never change the outcome.

LonghornDub · 01-11-2010, 12:03 AM

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But hey, feel free to make yourself feel better by bringing up Arkansas. Doesn't change the fact that Alabama beat you. You know who else beat the shit out of Arkansas last year, besides Texas? Alabama and Florida. Sooo...what exactly am I bitter about?

Maybe you're bitter about 56-21-0. Maybe you're bitter about James Street and the Game of the Century. I couldn't tell you. All I know is that, "Yeah, your team owns my team, but this other team beat you so there!" is the weakest smack talk around.

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Dont'a Hightower has been hurt for Alabama since the 4th game of the year and he was a freshman all-american and one of their best pass rushers. They're a better team with him on the field. Does his absence equate to McCoy's absence? No. But it's a slippery slope of hypotheticals that'll never change the outcome.

Anybody with half a brain knows that an injury mid-game is far more devastating than one that happened not only a previous game, but several months ago. By the by, if you wanna play this ridiculous, nonsensical game, Texas lost its awesome starting tight end before the season and one of its starting linebackers in the first game.

Male30Dan · 01-11-2010, 12:36 AM

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Maybe you're bitter about 56-21-0. Maybe you're bitter about James Street and the Game of the Century. I couldn't tell you. All I know is that, "Yeah, your team owns my team, but this other team beat you so there!" is the weakest smack talk around.

Anybody with half a brain knows that an injury mid-game is far more devastating than one that happened not only a previous game, but several months ago. By the by, if you wanna play this ridiculous, nonsensical game, Texas lost its awesome starting tight end before the season and one of its starting linebackers in the first game.

Losing your Heisman-caliber All-American on the first drive, 5 plays in is bad too.

ocelot_ark · 01-11-2010, 02:05 AM

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Maybe you're bitter about 56-21-0. Maybe you're bitter about James Street and the Game of the Century. I couldn't tell you. All I know is that, "Yeah, your team owns my team, but this other team beat you so there!" is the weakest smack talk around.

James Street and the Game of the Century happened...ohhhh...about a decade before I was born. RECENT history, as in - the last decade, shows that the teams have been pretty even. And that "smack" to which you refer is something I didn't even BRING UP, nor MENTION. Jesus Christ. I realize you guys are butthurt, but I never mentioned Arkansas. I simply said that the asterisk talk was bullshit.

But hey, how am I ever going to win an argument that doesn't stroke the ego of UT on a Dallas message board. So f' it. UT woulda totally beat the shit out of 'Bama if McCoy wasn't injured.

Sure - real world will always...ALWAYS show that Bama won 37-21. But we all know that in imagination land, UT won a bazillion to 0. I'm sure you'll all sleep much better now.

Five-ofan · 01-11-2010, 02:19 AM

Ill point out that im a ut fan. Would the game have been different if mccoy had played? Sure.(though to be fair, gilbert was the only person on our offense aside from shipley who played well). That said we dont know what would have happened. Yes the game would have been different but that doesnt mean ut would have won. Alabama pretty much just quit playing offense in the 3rd quarter because there was no reason to take any risk. They would have played differently if Mccoy was there.

Do UT fans have every right to wonder what if? Sure. Does that question result in a * for bamas title? No.

ocelot_ark · 01-11-2010, 02:22 AM

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Ill point out that im a ut fan. Would the game have been different if mccoy had played? Sure.(though to be fair, gilbert was the only person on our offense aside from shipley who played well). That said we dont know what would have happened. Yes the game would have been different but that doesnt mean ut would have won. Alabama pretty much just quit playing offense in the 3rd quarter because there was no reason to take any risk. They would have played differently if Mccoy was there.

Do UT fans have every right to wonder what if? Sure. Does that question result in a * for bamas title? No.

Why am I not surprised that 5-0 would chime in and be reasonable. That's just a much more eloquent way of saying what I've been trying to say.

Male30Dan · 01-11-2010, 02:56 PM

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ShaggyDirk · 01-11-2010, 02:59 PM

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Ill point out that im a ut fan. Would the game have been different if mccoy had played? Sure.(though to be fair, gilbert was the only person on our offense aside from shipley who played well). That said we dont know what would have happened. Yes the game would have been different but that doesnt mean ut would have won. Alabama pretty much just quit playing offense in the 3rd quarter because there was no reason to take any risk. They would have played differently if Mccoy was there.

Do UT fans have every right to wonder what if? Sure. Does that question result in a * for bamas title? No.

+1

ocelot_ark · 01-11-2010, 04:00 PM

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LonghornDub · 01-11-2010, 06:24 PM

It's a good thing we have an Arkansas fan around to let us know what's a * and what's an L. Who knows where we'd be without that, heaven forbid.

I'll tell you what wasn't an L, though--Arkansas's gutty, come-from-behind win over East Carolina in the Who Cares Bowl.

ocelot_ark · 01-11-2010, 07:05 PM

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It's a good thing we have an Arkansas fan around to let us know what's a * and what's an L. Who knows where we'd be without that, heaven forbid.

I'll tell you what wasn't an L, though--Arkansas's gutty, come-from-behind win over East Carolina in the Who Cares Bowl.

You keep on bringing up Arkansas...WHY? I've never once claimed that Arkansas was a better team or program than Texas. Jesus. If it makes you feel better to blast a team full of freshmen and sophomores, have at it. Arkansas had a great season considering the mess Nutt left behind. And East Carolina is a solid, senior-laden team. They're certainly not Alabama or Texas, but neither is Arkansas.

Being that we're all Mavs fans, I kinda imagined some of you would have a little more respect for someone who roots for a team that always comes up short.

Male30Dan · 01-11-2010, 09:07 PM

I still stand by what I said, the best team wasn't decided on that day and no one can argue that. The team that won and will forever have the win and the title showed that they could beat the #2 team in the country minus their stud QB, but they know they never beat us as the team that entered the game. The team that had beat so many others. The best team was NOT decided, period.