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Poindexter Einstein · 09-01-2004, 09:50 AM

In discussing Kidd to the Mavs, I was told that hs injury was going to heal quickly and I argued otherwise.

Here is part of what I was being told....

"HOWEVER - The prognosis for a non weight bearing injury is much better.

"While microfracture surgeries typically take a long time to come back from, Kidd's procedure was performed on a non-weight-bearing area. By nature of where the surgery was performed, the recovery would be much quicker than a normal microfracture surgery. A three-month recovery is not unreasonable I don't know the details of the Kidd situation but I would assume the surgery occured near the the patella - a non-weight bearing bone (unlike the chondyle or tibia). Kidd would be locked in a certain position in a brace but he would not have to be on crutches for weeks & weeks. "

I argued that this would be more likely to linger on and on, like Webber last year. Remember how Webber was supposed to be back in Oct, then Nov, then Dec and on and on?

At the time, Kidd was supposed to be ready by early Oct (3 months) they said. (I didnt buy it.)

Here is the news from NJ now ...

NY DAILY POST "Multiple sources have stated that Kidd, rehabbing from left knee surgery, is not expected back until December" http://www.nypost.com/sports/nets/29756.htm

This is merely the CURRENT hope. When Dec gets here, then will it turn into Jan, Mar, Apr etc?

I will say it again. We do not want Kidd. He is damaged goods.

kg_veteran · 09-01-2004, 09:58 AM

You told us so.

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4cwebb · 09-01-2004, 09:59 AM

I may be unconventional in my thinking, but I didn't favor adding Kidd to this team even before the injury. His lack of a perimeter game really harms the Mavs half court offense, and without gazelles like Jefferson and Martin at his sides, Kidd doesn't make his teammates demonstrably better, imho. Sure, Howard and Daniels (and now Stackhouse) can get out and run if necessary, but none of them are the caliber of athlete than Jefferson and Martin were for the Nets the past two seasons. The delay is only good for the Mavs.

And on an unrelated note, I will (hopefully) laugh this season as Jefferson is exposed for a waste of $78 million extension now that he doesn't have Kidd to lead him around on the fast break. He's a better than average three, but, similar to Shawn Marion, his outside game is spotty at best, and he excels in transition. Take Kidd away, and you take away the justification for all of that dough (and that's why the Suns were shopping Marion all offseason, even before acquiring QRichardson).

V2M · 09-01-2004, 10:15 AM

Jefferson had some of his best games, if I recall correctly, when Kidd and Martin were injured and weren't playing. His perimeter shot is suspect but he's athletic and a good talent on both ends of the floor. I still don't think he deserves a $78m contract, though.

dalmations202 · 09-01-2004, 10:49 AM

My only question is:

How much is injury?

and how much is --- "Kidd, while not demanding anything, told team brass he would like a trade (acceptable teams include Dallas, the Lakers and Minnesota, one source said). "

I think if he were traded, his injury would heal much, much faster...............

edit: Not that I am advocating bringing him to the Mavs....just that I think his healing is in direct proportion to "wanting out".

Simon2 · 09-01-2004, 10:57 AM

I would not want Kidd even before the injury. His outside shot will ruin the Mavs offensive scheme. Nellie's strategy depends a lot on outside shooters to keep the lane open for drives to the basket. Having Kidd will let defenses sag and clog the lane. No to Kidd.

Drbio · 09-01-2004, 11:07 AM

I've never wanted Kidd back here.....and I supported PE's assertion medically back then too.

StvNash13 · 09-01-2004, 12:08 PM

This is what I've been saying all along. Kidd can't shoot, and therefore should not be acquired, especially with all those question marks (injury, age, contract). I laugh when people say that he's the best PG in the league. He can't shoot for crying out loud, and he takes so many shots. I get sick watching NJ games, seeing Kidd through up one brick after another. I will be very upset if we acquire Kidd. In fact, i'll be more upset about acquiring Kidd than madape was about acquiring Dampier.

MavKikiNYC · 10-27-2004, 01:57 PM

KIDD COULD BE RUNNING SOON

By FRED KERBER
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October 27, 2004 -- NET NOTES

Jason Kidd is hopeful he'll get a green light today.

Kidd, coming off left knee microfracture surgery, is scheduled for his regular visit with specialist Dr. David Altchek and the All-World point guard anticipates getting a schedule to begin his on-court work.

"I'm feeling really good, had some great workouts," Kidd said last night, admitting he could be "running by the first [Monday]. Right now, we've been walking but going pretty hard at a good pace. I'm hopeful we get good news

PepperTheMavsFan41 · 10-27-2004, 02:10 PM

Kidd by Christmas!

EricaLubarsky · 10-27-2004, 02:16 PM

the update kiki gave seems to point to a mid to late november return.

PepperTheMavsFan41 · 10-27-2004, 02:57 PM

Correction **

Kidd IN DALLAS by Christmas!

orangedays · 10-27-2004, 03:45 PM

Kidd's horrendous contract makes him a no-go. If we didn't keep Nash w/ no surgery why would we want Kidd after he's had it? They're about the same age and Kidd's contract is much worse. Plus, I don't know how good of an influence he would be in the locker room.

side note:

did uh...Erica get hot or what happened....? When I joined you had like this old lady avatar...not that I'm complaining

dirk2003 · 10-27-2004, 05:55 PM

Thats great news. One more great PG in the league is never a bad thing.

V · 10-27-2004, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
In discussing Kidd to the Mavs, I was told that hs injury was going to heal quickly and I argued otherwise.

Here is part of what I was being told....

"HOWEVER - The prognosis for a non weight bearing injury is much better.

"While microfracture surgeries typically take a long time to come back from, Kidd's procedure was performed on a non-weight-bearing area. By nature of where the surgery was performed, the recovery would be much quicker than a normal microfracture surgery. A three-month recovery is not unreasonable I don't know the details of the Kidd situation but I would assume the surgery occured near the the patella - a non-weight bearing bone (unlike the chondyle or tibia). Kidd would be locked in a certain position in a brace but he would not have to be on crutches for weeks & weeks. "

I argued that this would be more likely to linger on and on, like Webber last year. Remember how Webber was supposed to be back in Oct, then Nov, then Dec and on and on?

At the time, Kidd was supposed to be ready by early Oct (3 months) they said. (I didnt buy it.)

Here is the news from NJ now ...

NY DAILY POST "Multiple sources have stated that Kidd, rehabbing from left knee surgery, is not expected back until December" http://www.nypost.com/sports/nets/29756.htm

This is merely the CURRENT hope. When Dec gets here, then will it turn into Jan, Mar, Apr etc?

I will say it again. We do not want Kidd. He is damaged goods.

EDIT

MavKikiNYC · 10-28-2004, 08:48 PM

Doc has Kidd off & running

BY OHM YOUNGMISUK
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Jason Kidd and Alonzo Mourning watch loss to Knicks but make progress toward returning.

Jason Kidd was cleared yesterday to run on the court for the first time since undergoing microfracture surgery on his left knee on July 1.
Kidd, who was reevaluated by his surgeon Dr. David Altchek yesterday, will begin his on-court rehabilitation Monday.

While Kidd doesn't have a timetable for when he will play again, the hope is that he'll start running and conditioning. After he does so for a couple weeks, he can think about practicing in contact scrimmages.

"It all depends on if we have any bumps in the road," Kidd said yesterday. "We haven't had any bumps in the road up to this point. Now that this is serious - we are out of the pool and now it is running and doing basketball stuff - we'll see how the knee responds. We'll find out what happens."

Kidd had been rehabbing his knee in a pool while also walking briskly on a treadmill.

The franchise point guard plans to take his time before returning to the court. Other superstars like Chris Webber, Allan Houston and Jamal Mashburn all had difficulties returning too soon from microfracture surgery.

Kidd's injury, however, was not as serious as the others, according to a team source, and the 31-year-old has not experienced any swelling or pain thus far.

"Everything has been progressing real well," Nets coach Lawrence Frank said before Kidd visited Altchek. "Hopefully he'll get official clearance to get on the court - activity that's not practice obviously. We're just going to proceed with caution."

Kidd has been rehabbing at a center in Fort Lee on a daily basis but should be around the team more now.

Kidd was fined $2,500 by the Nets for missing the first night practice session of the preseason. Initially, a stunned Kidd said he would not attend any night practices and would gladly accept more fines before changing his mind.

Kidd has attended every home preseason game sitting behind the bench in street clothes. Finally, he takes his first major step toward playing again on Monday.

"I'm just trying to get back into shape and playing," Kidd said.

V · 10-28-2004, 09:56 PM

Hmm. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Phil Helmuth · 10-28-2004, 10:49 PM

NO Kidd!!! Please!!!

MavKikiNYC · 11-15-2004, 12:39 AM

Nets Get Good News on Kidd, Finally
By JASON DIAMOS

Published: November 15, 2004

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J., Nov. 14 - Jason Kidd said Sunday that his surgically repaired left knee felt great, which is about the only thing going right for the Nets these days.

"I have no pain," Kidd said after the Nets practiced without him. "Everything that was supposed to happen has happened to this point. I've climbed the mountain slowly, which I think has helped."

Kidd estimated that he would return sometime in December. In the meantime, the season will probably continue to be rough for the Nets. They will hobble into Continental Arena on Monday night with a 2-4 record to play host to Yao Ming and the Houston Rockets. Without Kidd to run the show, the Nets have opened the season by losing three of their first four games on their home court.

Though the Nets are struggling without their leader, the news could have been even worse Sunday. Zoran Planinic, the second-year point guard who is starting in Kidd's place, had a magnetic resonance imaging test on his left knee Sunday, a day after he established career bests with 16 points and 9 rebounds in a 94-78 loss to the Dallas Mavericks.

Nets General Manager Ed Stefanski said the results of the M.R.I. were negative, but Planinic's soreness only adds to the Nets' collective aches and pains.

Center Alonzo Mourning tore a tendon in his right pinkie on Saturday, and he will have to wear a splint on the finger for the next six weeks when he is not practicing or playing, Coach Lawrence Frank said.

"It affects my shooting, my ball handling, my rebounding, everything," Mourning said through a Nets spokesman.

Still, Mourning, who had a kidney transplant last Dec. 19, said he would play through the hand pain.

"I'm not going to shut it down just for my pinkie," Mourning said.

Meanwhile, center Jason Collins is playing with a sprained left ankle. Shooting guard Ron Mercer is scheduled to have exploratory surgery on his left knee Monday. Mercer's backup, Rodney Buford, has a sore left foot, which only partly explained his 2-for-16 shooting performance on Saturday, when he missed his last 13 shots. And the reserve point guard Travis Best has been hampered by a sprained left ankle.

The Nets are expected to re-sign Brandon Armstrong, who played sparingly with them the last three seasons, to help at shooting guard.

With Kidd and Mercer out indefinitely and with Planinic's knee in question, the Nets are thin in the backcourt.

"We just hope Jason Kidd can get back as soon as possible," Stefanski said. "He's progressing as well as possible. There have been no glitches in his rehab whatsoever."

Kidd, who hopes to have simulated contact during his rehabilitation sessions this week, said he was not yet close to practicing with the team.

When Kidd does return, the questions about his future do not figure to disappear. Asked if he thought he would still be with the Nets at the end of the season, Kidd said: "I have no control over that. That's the business side. You never have any control over the business side.

"I'm not worried about being a Net right now. I'm worried about getting healthy to play for the Nets and try to win some basketball games."

Poindexter Einstein · 11-15-2004, 01:18 AM

He may be back "any day now" or whatever, but these regular reports every 2-3 weeks about how great his knee is doing, and how he hopes to be back on the court soon, remind me eerily of Chris Webber last year. If it was a movie, it sounds like a remake of the exact same story, to this point.

EricaLubarsky · 11-15-2004, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
He may be back "any day now" or whatever, but these regular reports every 2-3 weeks about how great his knee is doing, and how he hopes to be back on the court soon, remind me eerily of Chris Webber last year. If it was a movie, it sounds like a remake of the exact same story, to this point.

except New Jersey needs Kidd.

Why is this in the Mavs thread BTW?

Poindexter Einstein · 11-15-2004, 01:39 AM

"except New Jersey needs Kidd" ...hahaha ..Webber does have dubious value, doesnt he

Re this being in Mavs section - With the endless talk about how the Mavs need to trade for Kidd, to me this issue is totally Mavs related. The underlying topic, rather than a random health report on some irrlevant player, has always been "should the Mavs try to obtain Kidd" - and this ingoing injury is a prime factor in that evaluation by Mavs fans IMO.

EricaLubarsky · 11-15-2004, 01:44 AM

I understand, it just seems so far off now.

Terry just had a double-double and Harris has enough potential to get 20mpg on this team.

Poindexter Einstein · 11-15-2004, 02:07 AM

I never wanted Kidd here in the first place [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] ...but for some, it will remain a Mavs issue for a while, regardless of how well we are doing, I suspect.

MavKikiNYC · 11-15-2004, 11:45 PM

KIDD CLOSE TO RETURN

By ANDREW MARCHAND
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Kidd, recovering from knee surgery, could be back on the court for the Nets next month.
N.Y. Post: Charles Wenzelberg
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November 15, 2004 -- For every step the Nets take forward, they take 10 steps back.
Yesterday, while Jason Kidd sounded optimistic about his injured left knee and even pointed to a possible return in the middle of next month, the Nets revealed that — starting tonight at home against the Rockets — Alonzo Mourning will be forced to compensate for torn tendons in his right pinkie and that Kidd's replacement, Zoran Planinic, has an injured right knee.

Kidd's recovery from offseason microfracture surgery on his left knee has gone smoothly. Kidd still has not participated in any team drills, but he is on schedule to do so soon with an eye toward a return next month.

"A rough date would be somewhere hopefully in December," said Kidd, who will step up his rehab this week to five days from four. "But you never know. As a team, we are trying to push the knee and see how the knee responds."

Kidd said he feels as if he is in the 70 percent range in terms of his health. His progress with David Altchek, former team doctor for the Mets, has been extremely positive.

"He has been surprised that we haven't had any bumps in the road, but he is still very cautious that we could have some setbacks," Kidd said.
... ...

The only solace for the Nets (2-4) is that Kidd could return before the end of the calendar year. By the conclusion of the 2004-05 season, Kidd might be healthy, but he could be gone. He refused to speculate about his status with the team.

"I have no idea," Kidd said. "I'm not worried about being a Net right now. I'm worried about getting healthy and playing for the Nets and helping them win some basketball games."

Kidd's rehab seems to be going well. Everything else for the Nets seems to be going in the opposite direction.

"We are climbing the mountain slowly," Kidd said.

freestyle · 11-16-2004, 12:07 AM

As everything is going so well and our tag-team approach at PG seems to be a perfect situation, it would be more than foolish to bring in a damaged, super-expensive immature player on the downside of his career in with a long-term contract who could never shoot very well. The thing that worries me is that Nellie has always been WAY too high on Kidd. Hopefully Cuban can keep him in check rather than write one.

Max Power · 01-09-2005, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
He may be back "any day now" or whatever, but these regular reports every 2-3 weeks about how great his knee is doing, and how he hopes to be back on the court soon, remind me eerily of Chris Webber last year. If it was a movie, it sounds like a remake of the exact same story, to this point.

Kidd seems to be fine. On a back-to-back, Kidd almost had TWO triple doubles (but settled for one).

Jan 7th: 13 pts, 13 reb, 9 ast, 4 stl
Jan 8th: 22 pts, 11 reb, 11 ast, 2 stl

G-Man · 01-09-2005, 01:51 PM

Maybe Kidd's health is helping inspire Terry and Harris. Jet is playing lights out, as he learns how his speed and Nellie's offense are a near perfect match. I'm not sure Kidd would make us much better.

dude1394 · 01-09-2005, 02:14 PM

SO uninterested in kidd.

Max Power · 01-09-2005, 02:28 PM

I'm not particulary interested in Kidd but he IS getting healthy.

Hitman · 01-09-2005, 08:34 PM

Yeah, how would the best pure point guard of the last decade help the worst passing team in the NBA.

EricaLubarsky · 01-09-2005, 09:07 PM

I'm starting to doubt whether those that want Kidd know anything about how the championship teams of recent times have developed. Adding Kidd is an NBA Live or Fantasy sports move, but makes no sense in the real world where teams need chemistry and time together. Kidd just isnt worth it, he's probably not available, and he would put back the development of the team by months.

DubOverdose · 01-09-2005, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by: Hitman
Yeah, how would the best pure point guard of the last decade help the worst passing team in the NBA.

I'm pretty sure the Mavs are not CURRENTLY the worst passing team in the NBA. They've had some very good assist games in their recent history. Since Terry has started?

EricaLubarsky · 01-09-2005, 09:31 PM

If we look at the games since Terry started we are averaging 21.75apg, that would put as at #12 which is in the top half of teams.

Over the last 4, we are averaging 25apg, which would be second in the NBA behind only Sacramento. In that same period (5games) New Jersey has averaged 20.8apg.