Any word in Dallas...?

[MavsFanFinley]

...To the Mavs/Philly rumors I'm reading about on the Philly boards?

Finley/#5 for Robinson/#9 is what I'm reading. Philly would have to add Buckner to make it work unless they do something bigger.

[grndmstr_c]

Hadn't heard anything on that front. Says a lot about what the Mavs are up to if they do that one.

[mavs413]

We cant trade a pick that isnt ours right?

[chumdawg]

God, I hope not.

[Blonde Bomber]

hearing nothing on the Philly rumor...other than it's not gonna happen.

The only thing I hear is close to being done is Stack for Kurt Thomas + filler

[Rod1975]

Makes sense, Robinson has an expiring contract correct? Makes him much more tradeable than Finley. And, does anyone else think the player Kupchak wants will be available at #9 as opposed to #5?

[FilthyFinMavs]

The only way that trade is even thinkable is if Glenn has an expiring contract. If not I don't know why the Mavs do that.

[FilthyFinMavs]

But this trade can't happen if we don't own a number 5 unless we trade the player we get at number 5 with Fin for the player they get at number 9 and Buck and Glenn.

[MavsFanFinley]

Most Philly fans sure want it to get done and figure it's too good to be true.

FFM, yes Robinson has an expiring contract and that would be added with all the other expiring contracts to throw at the Lakers.

They could have a verbal agreement, right? It could be approved and announced after the draft as well.

[FilthyFinMavs]

Originally posted by: MavsFanFinley
Most Philly fans sure want it to get done and figure it's too good to be true.

FFM, yes Robinson has an expiring contract and that would be added with all the other expiring contracts to throw at the Lakers.

They could have a verbal agreement, right? It could be approved and announced after the draft as well.

It does sound too good to be true if i'm a Philly fan. I see why Mavs do it now if they really want to get rid of Fin's contract. Doesn't Walker, Laettner and Glenn Robinson add up to Shaq's salary? I'm imagining Glenn Robinson gets paid about 8-9 mill a year but I could be wrong.

[grndmstr_c]

Glenn's up around 12 million.

[FilthyFinMavs]

I think a Walker, Glenn and Josh Howard deal would add up to Shaq's then.

[Mavs Rule]

If we trade with Philly, we will trade all the expiring contracts to LA, but I bet we keep the #9 pick and pick Padkolzine as a backup for Shaq.

[ddh33]

I don't believe for one second that all of these expiring contracts are for LA. Those are for rebuiling teams...

Teams like Golden State.

[Max Power]

We'd better have a deal in hand for Shaq before I'd be in favor of THIS trade. Otherwise it is a joke.

Dallas trades: SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Samuel Dalembert (8.0 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 26.8 minutes)
SF Glenn Robinson (16.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +6.0 ppg, +7.6 rpg, and -1.2 apg.

Philadelphia trades: C Samuel Dalembert (8.0 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 26.8 minutes)
SF Glenn Robinson (16.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.9 minutes)
Philadelphia receives: SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 72 games)
Change in team outlook: -6.0 ppg, -7.6 rpg, and +1.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

[FilthyFinMavs]

Originally posted by: ddh33
I don't believe for one second that all of these expiring contracts are for LA. Those are for rebuiling teams...

Teams like Golden State.

I think Murph may have said this but what if the Lakers want to take a run at Yao in '05? If the Lakers deal Shaq they will be in the rebuilding mode regardless of what they get in return which would have to be a bunch of young players.

[Blonde Bomber]

<u>copied from Mavs ESPN boards</u>
There is a rumor on a Cavs site that said someone heard this on the radio if the Shaq deal does not go through.

Cavs Trade: Z + filler

Dallas Trades: Toine, Howard, and #5.

[Mavs Rule]

I was the one that said they would go after Yao in 05

[grndmstr_c]

copied from Mavs ESPN boards
There is a rumor on a Cavs site that said someone heard this on the radio if the Shaq deal does not go through.

Cavs Trade: Z + filler

Dallas Trades: Toine, Howard, and #5.

I've seen that too. That is a ridiculous price to pay for Z.

[Josh]

Houston has an option next year which they'll obviously use, so Yao won't be a free agent until 2006 at the earliest.

[FilthyFinMavs]

Originally posted by: Max Power
We'd better have a deal in hand for Shaq before I'd be in favor of THIS trade. Otherwise it is a joke.

Dallas trades: SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Samuel Dalembert (8.0 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 26.8 minutes)
SF Glenn Robinson (16.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +6.0 ppg, +7.6 rpg, and -1.2 apg.

Philadelphia trades: C Samuel Dalembert (8.0 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 26.8 minutes)
SF Glenn Robinson (16.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.9 minutes)
Philadelphia receives: SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 72 games)
Change in team outlook: -6.0 ppg, -7.6 rpg, and +1.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

I think it's a joke regardless. I've seen this from the Mavs before. The Lakers want Shaq for Dirk. Mavs aren't going to do it but they are doing all of these trades to try and get the Lakers to bite but there is no gurantee that they will bite. For the Mavs sake they better bite because they are going to be blowing this team up and end up coming into the season with Laettner, Glenn Robinson, Walker and Stachosue all on this team.

[Rod1975]

Originally posted by: Blonde Bomber
<u>copied from Mavs ESPN boards</u>
There is a rumor on a Cavs site that said someone heard this on the radio if the Shaq deal does not go through.

Cavs Trade: Z + filler

Dallas Trades: Toine, Howard, and #5.

If that 'filler' includes Eric Williams, Lee Nailon, or possibly Pavlovic, I could live with that.

[FilthyFinMavs]

Originally posted by: Mavs Rule
I was the one that said they would go after Yao in 05

Sorry I got your icon confused with Murph's. That's my fault.

[FilthyFinMavs]

Originally posted by: Rod1975

If that 'filler' includes Eric Williams, Lee Nailon, or possibly Pavlovic, I could live with that.

I doubt it's Pavlovic and at this point in their careers I think your best bet is Josh Howard over Erik Williams and Lee Nailon. If the Mavs wanted Nailon they could've got him for the vet minimum last seasonw when he was at home watching the NBA on his big screen.

[kg_veteran]

You CAN trade a pick you don't own -- you just do it after the draft in a three-way deal.

For example:

Dallas trades Jamison and Finley
Dallas receives Stackhouse, Laettner, Robinson, Dalembert, and No. 9

Washington trades Stackhouse, Laettner and No. 5
Washington receives Jamison

Philly trades Robinson, Dalembert, and No. 9
Philly receives Finley and No. 5

[Mavs Rule]

Originally posted by: Josh
Houston has an option next year which they'll obviously use, so Yao won't be a free agent until 2006 at the earliest.

Thanks for that detail. I was unaware of the option, but figured anyone with that much cap clearing is going after someone big!

[kg_veteran]

And I'll add that if Dallas does acquire Glenn Robinson, they'll be holding $32.8m in ending contracts -- unheard of.

[Rod1975]

One other thought, since it does'nt make sense to include Finley in a package to LA, it does make sense to turn Finley into Glenn Robinson, who would make sense. I mean, he's a 3-4 and could actually fit for a year in LA if the Lakers don't move him. What I'm hearing now is pointing towards the Mavs putting together a deal not including Nash or Dirk that LA cannot pass up.

[kg_veteran]

What I'm hearing now is pointing towards the Mavs putting together a deal not including Nash or Dirk that LA cannot pass up.

It's a really interesting process that we're seeing develop.

Obviously, the Lakers weren't interested in Jamison because of the max contract he brought along with him and/or how they saw him fitting into the team long-term. If they were interested in Jamison, Dallas wouldn't have needed to deal him away -- they would have simply included him in the package. So if the Lakers aren't looking for a player like Jamison, what ARE they looking for? The answer is one of two things -- or both. They're either looking for young players to develop around Kobe as he comes into his prime (young guys with potential and/or high draft picks) and cap relief so that they can pursue a major free agent next summer. The inclusion of Laettner into the deal makes me think the Lakers are interested in cap room.

Finley/No. 5 for Robinson/Dalembert/No. 9 makes PERFECT sense for Dallas.

I would think an offer of Walker, Robinson, Dalembert, No. 9 for Shaq would be really hard to pass up if that's what the Lakers are looking for.

[Simon2]

Those are my same thoughts. Does Z earn that much money in the first place?

Originally posted by: grndmstr_c

I've seen that too. That is a ridiculous price to pay for Z.

[FilthyFinMavs]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
And I'll add that if Dallas does acquire Glenn Robinson, they'll be holding $32.8m in ending contracts -- unheard of.

Not that I care but Mavs still wouldn't be under the cap would they?

[uberfan]

Originally posted by: Max Power
We'd better have a deal in hand for Shaq before I'd be in favor of THIS trade. Otherwise it is a joke.

Dallas trades: SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Samuel Dalembert (8.0 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 26.8 minutes)
SF Glenn Robinson (16.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +6.0 ppg, +7.6 rpg, and -1.2 apg.

Philadelphia trades: C Samuel Dalembert (8.0 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 26.8 minutes)
SF Glenn Robinson (16.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.9 minutes)
Philadelphia receives: SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 72 games)
Change in team outlook: -6.0 ppg, -7.6 rpg, and +1.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Why would that be a joke? I think it is a very good option if any valididty to it. If it were to happen then we would have moved Jamison and Finley's long-term contracts into one year contracts for the most part.

Even if the Shaq deal never materializes you sure have some solid trading chips to use for your next best options. Say you want Dampier as your second choice. Must better chance of getting him in a SnT. Plus, your center rotation is Dampier/Dalembert/Bradley/#9

Dirk, Nash, Daniels, Howard all still on the roster.

[uberfan]

Originally posted by: FilthyFinMavs

Not that I care but Mavs still wouldn't be under the cap would they?

No, but they would be getting very close (by 32.8 million). That would just leave Dirk and whatever Nash is signed at as your only really long-term max or near max contracts instead of 5 with Nash re-signed.

[FilthyFinMavs]

Originally posted by: uberfan

No, but they would be getting very close (by 32.8 million). That would just leave Dirk and whatever Nash is signed at as your only really long-term max or near max contracts instead of 5 with Nash re-signed.

Goodness Mavs are in cap hell. They better hope they never suck because they are going to be in trouble which is why I hope the Mavs know what their doing. This offseason could be it before you have to trade Dirk and Nash to get better. They better hope they have no reason to trade anymore in the near future.

[Drbio]

Ask the Knicks how long term contracts can bite you in the butt.

[Blonde Bomber]

got this off the Philly board.......

the hottest rumor at this time is involving Dallas and Seattle. Seattle would send the #12 pick to Dallas (which would be used on Pavel Podkolzine) and would recieve the #5 pick (which would be used on Luol Deng). Seattle would also send expiring contracts such as Vitaly Potapenko and recieve bad contracts from Dallas. Stay tuned as this develops.


..looks like more expiring contracts to beef up other trade offers...hmmmm

[Drbio]

Is there any way to send TAW out of here?

[Blonde Bomber]

Also found this.....

Seattle sports radio is reporting that Dallas has a deal in place with GSW for the #11. Stay tuned



what about we send them Walker/#5 for Damp/#11...then go hard after McGrady and screw LA.

[SeriousSummer]

I think either TAW or (much more likely) Fortson would match Potapenko.

[mavs413]

Originally posted by: Blonde Bomber
Also found this.....

Seattle sports radio is reporting that Dallas has a deal in place with GSW for the #11. Stay tuned



what about we send them Walker/#5 for Damp/#11...then go hard after McGrady and screw LA.

How about we Screw LA & Orl and keep our future. It seems they want too much.