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ghazi · 02-13-2009, 01:05 AM

It hurts to lose like this. The in and out shots, the missed fast break opportunities, the layups.

Vexing sequence: Up 15, seemingly in control, celtics turn it over, we have a fast break... J-Ho can't convert, Dirk tries to save it in. Ends up Dampier v Perkins/Garnett, Garnett gets a dunk. Celtics socre 5 points after. 8 point game. Back and forth after that but eventually Celtics firepower overcame.

We shouldnt feel too badly, again we were banking on a tired Celtics team or Allen not playing. Allen was playing, and hit some timely shots.

The 4th Q offensive execution, of course it wasn't softness, a lack of heart, or anything mental. It's simply bad execution due to offensively limited players. Kidd? Dampier? Wright? yeahhh not gonna cut it v the best D in the league.

But this concerns me, I love our beloved Kidd but his offensive limitations concern me come playoff time. J-Ho had some nice plays here and there tonight but I just didn't like his performance. Dirk was wonderful, except for that FG drought, but huge shots down th stretch.

DISCUSS!

WE NEED A TRADE!

Murphy3 · 02-13-2009, 01:07 AM

Isn't fun to be able to laugh a little?

Underdog · 02-13-2009, 01:08 AM

This team sorely lacks another 20+pt player...

ghazi · 02-13-2009, 01:11 AM

A few more thoughts:

We missed our JET in the 4th quarter, he and Dirk are our best 4th Q players and share cloisng duties. It's hard to say we win the game if JET is playing, as it alters everything, but it would've given us a better shot.

Ahhh at how much cheating defenses can do against us due to limited production from 1, 2, and 5... inconsistent production from the wings.

Does anyone trust J-Ho come playoff time? Again he has been playing well lately, but it is just the regular season. Dude shot 29% in playoffs last year, that leaves a permanently sour taste in my mouth and nothing short of all star level play can really erase it.

Same with Kidd. Again I love our beloved Kidd, but games like this make me feel nervous about his lack of offensive skills.

GermanDunk · 02-13-2009, 01:11 AM

OK, good night Doggy, Dubby, Murphy ... and all the others. See ya

Murphy3 · 02-13-2009, 01:12 AM

The problem is that two of the guys that score around 20 a game would be better suited as lesser scoring options in my opinion. That isn't to take anything away from JET this year... he's been great. But, he's too much of just a jump shooter to rely on to score 20 a game.

Murphy3 · 02-13-2009, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GermanDunk

OK, good night Doggy, Dubby, Murphy ... and all the others. See ya

I love you.

LonghornDub · 02-13-2009, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by GermanDunk

OK, good night Doggy, Dubby, Murphy ... and all the others. See ya

You're the man for completely destroying your sleep schedule for this team. You and all your German brethren. Rep til the end of time.

Underdog · 02-13-2009, 01:23 AM

Ze Germans are hardcore...

ghazi · 02-13-2009, 01:25 AM

Can someone calm me down.

LonghornDub · 02-13-2009, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

Can someone calm me down.

Get it together, man. Lock it up.

Bayliss · 02-13-2009, 01:27 AM

The problem with Jet's 20 points is that they come from 20 feet and out. He isn't putting pressure on the defense by attacking the paint. The only time he draws double teams is when Dirk is giving him a pick.

The Mavs need a swing man who can put pressure on the defense. Hard to come by, and truthfully not sure who it could be. But this is a SG world nowadays. SA may have won but it required Gino and Parker. Put Duncan on this Mav team and Duncan wouldn't have a ring. Boston won last year because of Ray Allen and Pierce's ability to put pressure on the defense. LA got to the Finals for the same reason. Hell, LeBron may get to the Finals this year for the same reason.

The game has changed. The Mavs need to get somebody who they can put the ball in their hands and the defense is worried about them drawing fouls and/or making shots.

Underdog · 02-13-2009, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

Can someone calm me down.

Oh, wait - did you say CALM?

ghazi · 02-13-2009, 01:29 AM

Dirk/Duncan is a frontline that is sure to get a ring FWIW... especially 3-4 years ago when both were in their absolute primes

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But yeah, a wing would be nice. J-Ho comes off as unreliable to me... Wright has his moments but it just isnt consistent. Carroll hit some shots tonight, but of course hes not a wing that puts pressure on the opponent.

LonghornDub · 02-13-2009, 01:36 AM

That Stokke chick is undeniably hot.

AxdemxO · 02-13-2009, 01:43 AM

Hahah Hell yeesss that girl is hott.

One request: Pleassee stop judging the game is moronic ways. Jet would have helped us, its a fact, but would we have won?? IDK Now from there I see some people straying and questioning what Jet does and how he does it, which especially with how hes played this year is just stupid.

BGMaverick9 · 02-13-2009, 01:44 AM

I think we really missed Jet, I don't care where his points come from...there almost "auto" points. We needed that big time late in this game.

Massive props to Dirk in the 3rd. I loved how KG was trying to jab at him and Dirk kept wanting the ball to go up against KG. He never backed down and he held up his end of the bargain.

That offensive foul where he elbowed PP, well...yeah he did, but I guess it might be in the homer in me, it would seem like if that were Dirk or a smaller defender on Pierce and that happened, we'd get called for blocking...I dunno.

I don't buy that this loss means Cuban is forced to make a deal. The Jet card can easily be played. IMO, I think we need something extra tho. Bigger move involving Josh can be done or a simple but significant scoring addition of sort via Stack and Bass.

rabbitproof · 02-13-2009, 01:45 AM

Made in Cali.

grndmstr_c · 02-13-2009, 01:49 AM

Good lord, she's gonna be in my dreams tonight.

There are no problems with JET's scoring. He's productive and he's efficient. Doesn't mean the Mavs couldn't do with another guy who can put points on the board, but JET is far from being the problem with this team's offense.

dude1394 · 02-13-2009, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

This team sorely lacks another 20+pt player...

But we sure don't want Baron Davis and Chris Kaman. Wouldn't want that...no way...

Underdog · 02-13-2009, 01:52 AM

We play the Nets in 6 days - this is going to be a long week...

dude1394 · 02-13-2009, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

Does anyone trust J-Ho come playoff time?

No

BGMaverick9 · 02-13-2009, 01:52 AM

If you keep Howard:
You get a SG/swing scoring player who can possibly/probably move Wright to the bench.
Dirk, Jet, Howard, plus _____
Keep everything minus Bass, Stack and filler

I'll consider that a plus.

One thing that is bothering me though is JJ. I'm starting to have some major trust issues with him when he runs the offense. He can lose sight of what is going on at times, I just need some more stability or I'm spoiled with what Kidd can do.

grndmstr_c · 02-13-2009, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

But we sure don't want Baron Davis and Chris Kaman. Wouldn't want that...no way...

Damn right. Even if you are being sarcastic.

rabbitproof · 02-13-2009, 01:54 AM

Man, I don't trust Donnie with that Rod Thorn cat. For some reason, Donnie automatically drops his pants and bends over the nearest open flat surface whenever they get together. It's odd to say the least.

BGMaverick9 · 02-13-2009, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

The problem with Jet's 20 points is that they come from 20 feet and out. He isn't putting pressure on the defense by attacking the paint. The only time he draws double teams is when Dirk is giving him a pick.

The Mavs need a swing man who can put pressure on the defense. Hard to come by, and truthfully not sure who it could be. But this is a SG world nowadays. SA may have won but it required Gino and Parker. Put Duncan on this Mav team and Duncan wouldn't have a ring. Boston won last year because of Ray Allen and Pierce's ability to put pressure on the defense. LA got to the Finals for the same reason. Hell, LeBron may get to the Finals this year for the same reason.

The game has changed. The Mavs need to get somebody who they can put the ball in their hands and the defense is worried about them drawing fouls and/or making shots.

I can see you using Pierce in your argument, but I don't see that with Allen.
Look at tonight, that is his bread and butter (jumpers). Allen BURNED Dallas on motion and rolling off of screens and hitting jumpers. Dallas adjusted to it, but it was too late and Boston was then on to it's 2-man game with Rondo and Pierce.

ghazi · 02-13-2009, 01:56 AM

Off to bed my beloved friends.

This loss isnt stinging me as much as I thought it would when we were up 15 and I thought "My God if the Mavs lose this lead Im gonna be on suicide watch".

Just one game my friends... 4th-7th in West are JUST numbers at this point until 1 of the teams gains true separation.

Although we dont have a GREAT cushion on 8th/9th

But again, our beloved Mavs played hard tonight and showed heart... atleast I think they did, just not enough bullets at the end of the day.

And let us hope for a speedy recovery for JET and a trade or two or four, to add some more bullets to our revolver.

dude1394 · 02-13-2009, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Damn right. Even if you are being sarcastic.

I"m not being sarcastic...I'm just not agreeing with all of the nay-sayers on that deal. I still think that deal solves a bunch of our problems. We get a guy that could have done what pierce did all night as well as have a scoring threat in the game at the end instead of bass.

I don't agree with the griping about his contract or fragility...just don't. In two years this thing is flat out over...I surely do not believe that we'll get a supersta' in the 2010 bonanza...that's a pipe dream and just a way to calm the rabble.

BGMaverick9 · 02-13-2009, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

Off to bed my beloved friends.

This loss isnt stinging me as much as I thought it would when we were up 15 and I thought "My God if the Mavs lose this lead Im gonna be on suicide watch".

Just one game my friends... 4th-7th in West are JUST numbers at this point until 1 of the teams gains true separation.

Although we dont have a GREAT cushion on 8th/9th

But again, our beloved Mavs played hard tonight and showed heart... atleast I think they did, just not enough bullets at the end of the day.

And let us hope for a speedy recovery for JET and a trade or two or four, to add some more bullets to our revolver.

I like this ghazi much more than the ghazi of a few weeks ago.

Bold part: +1

dude1394 · 02-13-2009, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I can see you using Pierce in your argument, but I don't see that with Allen.
Look at tonight, that is his bread and butter (jumpers). Allen BURNED Dallas on motion and rolling off of screens and hitting jumpers. Dallas adjusted to it, but it was too late and Boston was then on to it's 2-man game with Rondo and Pierce.

If josh could shoot off a screen then he'd be a different player. But he's a guy who can't do what pierce can do and isn't a smart player....so we can't trust him to have the ball in the fourth...So instead of a big 3, we only have two guys...

And when we needed threes tonight at the end...both of our attempts didn't even draw iron....(wright/jkiddo). We are desperate for someone who we can give the ball to and create at the end. Some will say that, that someone should be devin and I wouldnt' disagree...but he's not on this roster now...and we need one.

Underdog · 02-13-2009, 02:04 AM

You guys have to admit - this game was pretty epic, considering the circumstances...

It almost felt like playing the Spurs...

(too bad we came out on the wrong end of it...)

Windmill360 · 02-13-2009, 02:05 AM

where's the polevaultgirl with +15 pounds on her? mmmm

rabbitproof · 02-13-2009, 02:07 AM

Except the losing part.

The Spurs.. psh, used to whippin that ass.

BGMaverick9 · 02-13-2009, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

You guys have to admit - this game was pretty epic, considering the circumstances...

It almost felt like playing the Spurs...

(too bad we came out on the wrong end of it...)

IMO, the crowd was eh at times and others pretty good. I had the feeling like I was watching a playoff game though. Lots of back and forth and the whole Dirk/KG/Rivers thing in the 3rd was pretty exciting.

I was bummed on the ride back home...but I wasn't pissed though.

nowhereman · 02-13-2009, 02:11 AM

2 ways to look at it:

- We would have been in 4th place going into the break with this win. Instead, we're 7th. We blew a 15 point lead in the second half at home against a team playing a back to back, or

- We're right there with the pack, within 2 games of homecourt going into the allstar break, and in the past 10 games we've gone from being down 30 at half against this team to battling them.

Hopefully the team can espouse the second view and come out strong after the break. Confidence will make the difference down the stretch. Personally, I'm finding it hard to not accept the first viewpoint.

Underdog · 02-13-2009, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

where's the polevaultgirl with +15 pounds on her? mmmm

I'm shallow...

BGMaverick9 · 02-13-2009, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

2 ways to look at it:

- We would have been in 4th place going into the break with this win. Instead, we're 7th. We blew a 15 point lead in the second half at home against a team playing a back to back, or

- We're right there with the pack, within 2 games of homecourt going into the allstar break, and in the past 10 games we've gone from being down 30 at half against this team to battling them.

Hopefully the team can espouse the second view and come out strong after the break. Confidence will make the difference down the stretch. Personally, I'm finding it hard to not accept the first viewpoint.

I don't see the point in taking the 4th place perspective but we blew it angle.

I'm with perspective #2. Considering we got killed by them and a lot of the team was MIA, to be right in the thick of it and not have Jet...I'll take it. We are right there heading into the sprint to the finish. We just need to get over the drama of the 19th and see where this roster is at. Whatever it is, for better or for worse, we'll just have to roll with it and see where we go.

TheMaverick · 02-13-2009, 02:21 AM

so many shots went half way down then bounced out. great game Dallas. JET woulda made a difference, yes... but defensively, we wouldn't have gotten the intensity we got out of Wright. They were literally playing 3 on 1 against Dirk on defense, and I'm sad we didn't make them pay with more outside shots.

BGMaverick9 · 02-13-2009, 02:27 AM

DMN Blog:

"They fought their hearts out and really deserved to win the game," Carlisle said of his players. "I'm going to take the blame for this, because we played the Paul Pierce play a few different ways and had some of our best guys guarding him, but we should have come and double-teamed him and just given some other guys some shots. I mean, it's as simple as that.

"You know, when you sit in this chair, there's times that you've got to be man enough and you've got to be honest enough to say that you blew it. Hey, we could have made more shots and the outcome might have been different or whatever, but my heart is with my guys and their effort.

"So this one's on me."

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I was thinking about this as well on the ride home, not the quote but the strategy. You have to give credit where credit is due...Pierce hit some dagger shots. There were some times where it was too easy, JJB on Pierce...really??!?! But someone like Kidd guards him and he hits some fall away shots? You earned it.

I think Josh and Kidd might've tried to gamble too much, but I can't see how they could try to double him. I don't see it when you've got guys like Allen, KG, and Rondo on the court. Those guys would burn you in the end.

antoinewalker · 02-13-2009, 02:32 AM

dirk's terrible mental collapse when he elbowed pierce and got called for the offensive foul hurt really bad.