Shooting guards - Which one do you prefer? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

kg_veteran · 05-09-2007, 09:30 AM

Assume for the purpose of discussion that the Mavs have decided to deal Jason Terry to get a legitimate starting SG to pair with Devin Harris in the backcourt next year. Here are some names I came up with that *might* be realistic targets that the Mavs could acquire in exchange for Terry:

Corey Maggette
Ricky Davis
Mike Miller
Larry Hughes *
J.R. Smith +
Bobby Simmons
Jamal Crawford
DeShawn Stevenson

* - Dallas would have to add another player to make salaries match
+ - The other team would have to add another player to make salaries match

Out of those names, Miller and Davis would be the main two that are attractive to me.

Thoughts?

Dtownsfinest · 05-09-2007, 09:43 AM

Honestly, I don't like any of the guys above for this team. My dream two guard is either a guy who can catch and shoot a mid range shot or 3. I'd like a slasher as well but i'd like that to come from the point guard position to be honest. JR Smith will be available and after his showing in the Spurs series I want nothing to do with him. Maggette and Ricky Davis are more guys with talent and could do this team wonders because they're big physical guards but they're also hot heads. I have no problem with guys having a little edge to them but these guys are the type to not take their team into consideration when they make dumb decisions.

My favorite guy on the list is Bobby Simmons though. I'm a huge fan of his but not really sure if he fits what this team really needs. But that's the guy I like ont eh list.

kg_veteran · 05-09-2007, 10:25 AM

If your dream two guard is a guy who can catch and shoot, what's wrong with Mike Miller?

a.weidner · 05-09-2007, 10:33 AM

I wouldn't mind getting Mike Miller. But the swingman I'd prefer us going after is Ron Artest. Very high risk, huge reward. Yes, he has severe mental issues, but maybe, just maybe, Avery could keep him in line. I don't know what it would take to get him, but I guess his stock is as low as it'll ever be. If it doesn't work out we can always dump him to NY. He has the potential to give us everything we could ask for from the 2/3 (apart from passing). I guess it's likely he would blow up at some point, but it could also work out perfectly. Let's gamble.

kg_veteran · 05-09-2007, 10:36 AM

Personally, I'd prefer to add a guy like Miller and then use the MLE to sign James Posey.

Dampier - Diop - M'Benga
Nowitzki - Pops
Howard - Posey
Miller - Stackhouse
Harris - Barea

Miller is capable of playing backup PG, and both Miller and Posey are zone busters with their three point shooting ability.

Dtownsfinest · 05-09-2007, 10:46 AM

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If your dream two guard is a guy who can catch and shoot, what's wrong with Mike Miller?

Ahh I missed him on the list. Yea i'd definately take Mike Miller. Not sure if he's a starting 2 or a 6th man but i'd definately take him on this Mavs team. Honestly, i'd love to have Terry on this team if he was 6'6 but he isn't. Miller however is and can also shoot lights out. I haven't seen much of Miller to know if he can hit the big shots like Terry can though.

dalmations202 · 05-09-2007, 11:09 AM

Maggette and Simmons are the ones on the list I like. I think both could come in and do a descent job. I am not sure they would put the Mavs over the top though.

I am not sure how exactly, but I really think Dallas needs to call Seattle and see if Ray Allen is available. That would send Terry home, and get a true SG. Harris, Allen, Howard, Dirk, and ??? would be a better offense and defense. Could you get Seattle to do a Allen for Terry without giving up Harris, Dirk, or Howard? I don't know, you would definitely have to sweeten the pot, but it might get them in a position to re-sign RLewis with Terry.

In my opinion, Dallas should first try to get Jermaine Oneal --- which they probably can't do. But if not, then RAllen next, and then others including the above if these two didn't work.

Maggette is an intriguing thought, starting SG, and replacement for Stack. You would still need another shooter then though.
I don't remember Simmons defense, but I remember I liked his offense. How good is he at defense?

chumdawg · 05-09-2007, 11:21 AM

Would love to have Mike Miller on the team.

But honestly, I would take each and every one of those players to replace Terry.

SeriousSummer · 05-09-2007, 12:18 PM

Maggette would be my first choice. He works straight up for Terry, and the Clippers desperately need some sort of point. You might have to add the Atlanta second rounder, but I think that would be enough.

Tokey41 · 05-09-2007, 05:15 PM

Maggette would be ideal if we could get him for Terry, but I wouldn't be disappointed with Miller either. Doesn't really solve our actual problems but they are nice upgrades for each team I guess.

Dortmund · 05-09-2007, 05:29 PM

Lets take a risk and snatch up Bobby Simmons. Surely can be had for peanuts. His contract isnt great but if he is able to play then it will definantly be worth it.

purplefrog · 05-09-2007, 05:32 PM

Of the names listed, I like Mike Miller. Ray Allen would be even better (except for his 16 million dollar salary).

I would like to add another name with a lower salary... Kyle Korver. He can't create his own shot, but he's deadly from 3 pt range. Also, Kapono is a free agent. He might come alot cheaper. Terry probably wouldn't be part of those deals though.

The Crippler · 05-09-2007, 05:42 PM

1. Mike Miller
2. Maggette
3. Stevenson

4 through the rest...none of the above.

KG, you and I agree on most things, but Ricky Davis is not one of them. The dude is a flake and has some Bonzi Wells-like qualities to him. Good scorer, but not a winner.

bcrav4 · 05-09-2007, 08:07 PM

Ricky Davis and/or Desmond Mason would be my favorite options for starting 2 guard next season. Davis was a 17/4/5 player last season on a bad Minnesota team. Mason would do nothing but slash and get athletic putbacks on the offensive end (something the warriors killed us by doing consistently).

StackAttack · 05-09-2007, 08:56 PM

Wouldn't mind Maggette in a Mavs uniform at all. Sets the tone offensively of going to the rack (mainly because outside of 16-17 feet, he can't do much).

The Crippler · 05-09-2007, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bcrav4

Ricky Davis and/or Desmond Mason would be my favorite options for starting 2 guard next season. Davis was a 17/4/5 player last season on a bad Minnesota team. Mason would do nothing but slash and get athletic putbacks on the offensive end (something the warriors killed us by doing consistently).

Mason does give you a slasher, but you are losing any semblance of an outside game with him. I don't want a one dimensional player from my 2. Also, the dude shoots around 66% from the line. He's real good off of the bench though.

V2M · 05-09-2007, 09:09 PM

Pierce

The Crippler · 05-09-2007, 09:11 PM

The more I think about it, I would really like to see Mike Miller on this team. His numbers last year were really, really good. He can do it all.

Locked_Up_Tonight · 05-09-2007, 10:18 PM

Mike Miller is definitely intriguing. I'd like to the Mavs to look at Ruben Patterson. When Michael Redd went down Patterson became their "point forward." He was doing EVERYTHING for them. He was passing well, he was on the low blocks scoring, offensive rebounding, etc. He could be a good option for a BIG SG.

The Crippler · 05-09-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Locked_Up_Tonight

Mike Miller is definitely intriguing. I'd like to the Mavs to look at Ruben Patterson. When Michael Redd went down Patterson became their "point forward." He was doing EVERYTHING for them. He was passing well, he was on the low blocks scoring, offensive rebounding, etc. He could be a good option for a BIG SG.

That's a name I hadn't even thought of. He'd definitely add some toughness as well, that's for sure.

Locked_Up_Tonight · 05-09-2007, 10:38 PM

Well Patterson is a free agent so they wouldn't have to get rid of Terry. But I'm assuming that if they are looking at Patterson they they might could swing something to Milwaukee with a couple of thrown in or something to make salaries work. (I'm not great on the Real GM salary thing.)

Stranger · 05-09-2007, 11:14 PM

One more name to throw into the mix: Cuttino Mobley. Not necessarily endorsing him as the guy, but he works for Terry straight up and he gives us shooting and slashing.

Silk Smoov · 05-09-2007, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

If your dream two guard is a guy who can catch and shoot, what's wrong with Mike Miller?

Mike is soft and will NOT show up when it counts. Plus, he is NOT big on playing defense. All he does is sit around the 3 point line and bomb. He would make for a nightmare for us because of all the bombing.

Silk Smoov · 05-09-2007, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

Assume for the purpose of discussion that the Mavs have decided to deal Jason Terry to get a legitimate starting SG to pair with Devin Harris in the backcourt next year. Here are some names I came up with that *might* be realistic targets that the Mavs could acquire in exchange for Terry:

Corey Maggette
Ricky Davis
Mike Miller
Larry Hughes *
J.R. Smith +
Bobby Simmons
Jamal Crawford
DeShawn Stevenson

* - Dallas would have to add another player to make salaries match
+ - The other team would have to add another player to make salaries match

Out of those names, Miller and Davis would be the main two that are attractive to me.

Thoughts?

That is a tough question. I really think that we need to get rid of Harris first, because Terry is the more consistent PG, plus he is a huge threat from the outside. Yes, his defense is suspect, but as long as we have the right SG, we can deal with it. The problem is that we CANT have Terry and Harris on the floor together. I preached this all year long to go big.

So, if we keep Terry, then from your list I go with Maggette. He brings toughness, slasher skills, and a match-up problem for MANY teams. Kinda like getting an upscale Bonzi. With Maggette posting up, it would create many problems, because if you double, then that leaves Terry wide open. If we have Dirk too, it creates space for him as well.

It may sound dumb, but it would also allow us a low post scorer as well with some toughness. This is also a situation to where we could still have Dirk on the team as well.

W/o Terry, our pick and pop goes away as well. That is the bread and butter with Dirk as well. I just dont see getting rid of Terry first. Terry is more consistent, and also will hit big shots better than any other player on the team. Plus, he is a crowd pleaser and fan favorite that would could not replace.

If we keep Dirk, then I DONT want to lose Howard. So, to get most players we would have to give up either one. I think to get J'Oneal, we would lose Howard, and I dont want that. I dont see Pacers taking Harris and Damp to get him, but maybe so. If we did make that trade, we would have to get a Bevin Knight type of player also to fill the back-up PG spot, plus we would still need to address the 2 spot.

Silk Smoov · 05-10-2007, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Ahh I missed him on the list. Yea i'd definately take Mike Miller. Not sure if he's a starting 2 or a 6th man but i'd definately take him on this Mavs team. Honestly, i'd love to have Terry on this team if he was 6'6 but he isn't. Miller however is and can also shoot lights out. I haven't seen much of Miller to know if he can hit the big shots like Terry can though.

I have watched Miller from the Magic days. He is a big match-up problem, but all he does is sit around the 3 point line, and does NOT play defense. I think he would be great at the 7th spot behind Stack, but he would be an expensive 7th player. Miller is proven to NOT show up in the crunch, but he is a good shooter. Not worth Terry, because Miller cant run the point if needed.

I think that we need to leave Terry at the PG spot, and not toy with him at the SG spot. I think that is the biggest problem for Terry. For some reason Avery went back to that small line-up that I said would kill us in the playoffs. I know I ranted about this for about three weeks on here, on how a 2 guard system is NOT built for the playoffs.

rakesh.s · 05-10-2007, 12:54 AM

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Pierce

yea all the guys on the list are chumps....they add nothing. Terry is more valuable than all those guys -- you people forget that it was Terry and Brickhouse that won the Houston series in avery's first half season as a coach. Dirk was punked in that series, just like he was in the GSW series.

Pierce is the one and only option.

Trade Harris + S&T Brickhouse + Terry for Pierce + Gomes + Telfair

Telfair isn't playing for the Celts anymore and Gomes is a legit backup power forward. Pierce is the only guy that can provide a low post presence and take the pressure off Dirk.

Dirkadirkastan · 05-10-2007, 02:16 AM

Maggette just might match Wade in FT attempts in the '08 finals. Get that guy!

belgianfan · 05-10-2007, 05:44 AM

"trade Harris + S&T Brickhouse + Terry for Pierce + Gomes + Telfair"

Who TF is S&T Brickhouse?????

aexchange · 05-10-2007, 06:57 AM

not sure why everyone is so enamored with posey. the guy is a career spare and may be a slight upgrade over george. using the MLE on another defensive specialist would be a huge mistake, considering our big problem the past 2 playoff series losses were a significant drop off in offense and in particular outside shooting.

if i was forced to pick a player from the list, i'd pick maggette first, followed by hughes. both are slasher types who have the perimeter shooting ability to keep defenses honest. also, you'll be able to get maggette and hughes without sacrificing howard. if the mavs have half a brain, they'll try to split their MLE, bring grant hill back home, and pick up another big body like magloire with the remainder of it.

if you can add maggette, hill, magloire and only sacrifice terry, you'd have to consider it a successful off season. i'd also try to pick up tim thomas from the clippers to spell dirk and match up with the warriors and suns when they go small.

aexchange · 05-10-2007, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by belgianfan

"trade Harris + S&T Brickhouse + Terry for Pierce + Gomes + Telfair"

Who TF is S&T Brickhouse?????

brickhouse aka crackhouse aka the tits aka Jerry Stackhouse.

belgianfan · 05-10-2007, 09:02 AM

In that case I don't think the celt's would do this deal. Throw in Dirk and it would work though

AxdemxO · 05-10-2007, 11:04 AM

Maggette is the best overall player there and i always liked him. he can play other positions too. I say try Ager though.

bernardos70 · 05-10-2007, 11:53 AM

What a bitch. I was looking at the 3pt % seeing if there was anyone there we could acquire....... the easiest one would be the 6th best 3 point shooter in the league........ Jason Terry.

Cutino would be the player from that list who brings slashing and 3 point shooting. I don't remember seeing Mike Miller slash to the basket much, and his 7.1 3FGA tell the whole story.

Magette is less acquirable than one thinks btw. He was one of the few players who Donald Sterling thought was worth holding on to. And that's saying a lot.

Ricky Davis is the most talented of the bunch, but he's also an idiot. I think I could put up with his sh*t for his game

TruthbHeard · 05-10-2007, 02:20 PM

Bobby simmons is an excellent up and commer that can also play some defense Mavs should target him or Davis, both players are athletic and can streach the defense.

rakesh.s · 05-10-2007, 08:38 PM

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Bobby simmons is an excellent up and commer that can also play some defense Mavs should target him or Davis, both players are athletic and can streach the defense.

he missed the whole season...he makes 10 mill/year

Just say hell no to bobby simmons.

nowhereman · 05-11-2007, 04:19 AM

miller or maggette on this team would be pretty sick.

you couldn't pay us to take anyone else on the list.

aexchange · 05-11-2007, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

miller or maggette on this team would be pretty sick.

you couldn't pay us to take anyone else on the list.

miller is softer than charmin and folds under pressure just as easily. the guy is the living, breathing, walking definition of soft.

no thank you.

jthig32 · 05-11-2007, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by aexchange

miller is softer than charmin and folds under pressure just as easily. the guy is the living, breathing, walking definition of soft.

no thank you.

I agree with this.

Does anyone remember the Mike Miller that showed up against the Mavs in the playoffs last year?

I mean he was invisible.

From that list I'd take Maggette, and no one's close to him.

rabbitproof · 05-11-2007, 06:20 PM

Maggette via trade is obviously primo.

I think Stevenson could be more than what he's gotten to show so far though.

giantbenmav · 05-15-2007, 11:55 PM

I am not totally convinced we need a shooting guard, I think he is already on the roster ... Josh Howard ... if we get another SF (who has something of a post of game possibly) I think Josh can play the 2 (we know he can defend the 2) ...