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mavs777 · 11-10-2010, 10:48 PM

Fire away...

Vlessi · 11-10-2010, 10:49 PM

Bad timing?

FINtastic · 11-10-2010, 10:50 PM

Yeah, I think you picked the wrong night to start this.

Unless this was a shot at the Jason Terry sucks club.

BGMaverick9 · 11-10-2010, 10:50 PM

Maybe it's to keep the positive momentum going, otherwise, I am very interested to hear what triggered the thread.

mavs777 · 11-10-2010, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

Yeah, I think you picked the wrong night to start this.

Unless this was a shot at the Jason Terry sucks club.

chumdawg · 11-10-2010, 10:52 PM

You're not real tuned it, it wouldn't appear. The Jason Terry Sucks Club doesn't convene until the playoffs start.

sefant77 · 11-10-2010, 10:53 PM

Well, im happy with the way he is playing but the same time im pissed because of the last playoffs.

I really hope he can deliver postseason...

fluid.forty.one · 11-10-2010, 10:53 PM

Okay I'll bite...

He has played this well in the *regular season* before.

TripleDipping · 11-10-2010, 10:55 PM

Terry sucks
JJB sucks
Chandler sucks... in the US team

We're dead.

mavs777 · 11-10-2010, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Okay I'll bite...

He has played this well in the *regular season* before.

when?

Vlessi · 11-10-2010, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

when?

He won a 6th man award. Or two? I forget.

Either way, Jet seems to disappear in the playoffs unless he faces Houston, who he always decimates.

fluid.forty.one · 11-10-2010, 11:02 PM

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when?

Lots of times. He has gone through streaks in the regular season (and the rockets series and part of the Miami series come to mind in the post season... but yearrrrrs ago..) each year where he cant miss. And then he sucks. And then he's good.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's playing great... but anyone who is worried about his performance in the postseason still has a legitimate reason to be worried, regardless of what has been happening in november.

FINtastic · 11-10-2010, 11:05 PM

The nice thing about this year is that we should have Roddy back by the postseason, which should be a nice hedge against Terry going into one of his funks again.

But we desperately need Terry's offense right now so I can't help but be grateful that he's giving it to us.

sike · 11-10-2010, 11:14 PM

This thread is dumb, inaccurate, and unfortunate.

I love it.

xrobx · 11-10-2010, 11:25 PM

terry is back to the 2006 jason terry. i tried to tell you guys last year was a fluke, he went through breaking his face and having to wear that mask and just never was back to being himself. he has played amazing so far to start the season

Rick41 · 11-10-2010, 11:27 PM

Another 1st round exit because of Terry's disappearance?

Vlessi · 11-10-2010, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by xrobx

terry is back to the 2006 jason terry. i tried to tell you guys last year was a fluke, he went through breaking his face and having to wear that mask and just never was back to being himself. he has played amazing so far to start the season

Yeah, but were the last four years of playoffs flukes?

xrobx · 11-10-2010, 11:30 PM

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Yeah, but were the last four years of playoffs flukes?

i'm going to put my fanboy goggles on and say yes

Kante · 11-11-2010, 07:15 AM

Is this official?

SMC0007 · 11-11-2010, 11:56 AM

One foot in and one foot out. But if hard pressed I would be out on this club.

Rhylan · 11-11-2010, 12:32 PM

When I saw this, I thought it was a bump from a thread that would've started after last year's (or the previous year's) playoffs.

I was ready to bury Jet after last year.. a good player who had declined. But right now he's doing everything we need him to, and doing it efficiently. He's not so old that it would be impossible for him to have one more year or so of good ball left in him. Here's hoping.

mac222b · 11-11-2010, 01:00 PM

Jet seems to be better conditioned, committed defensively and more focused in general.
and even when Roddy comes back he's the #2 option w/ the game on the line, behind Dirk. this includes the playoffs.

Usually Lurkin · 11-11-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhylan

When I saw this, I thought it was a bump from a thread that would've started after last year's (or the previous year's) playoffs.

I was ready to bury Jet after last year.. a good player who had declined. But right now he's doing everything we need him to, and doing it efficiently. He's not so old that it would be impossible for him to have one more year or so of good ball left in him. Here's hoping.

I don't think his problem will be a sharp age-related decline. He's a shooter with ice in his veins. He's not a banger or a high-flying dunker, or even a defender who needs the legs of youth. His problem is, and will always be, that when he gets off his game, he gets way off and stays off for a few weeks. If it were slightly reduced productivity, or a single game here or there, or if he brought a ton of other skills to compensate, he'd still be great to have. The manner in which he slumps, though, is death for anyone relying on him to produce in the playoffs because he's prone to slumping for an entire series.

dude1394 · 11-11-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Jet seems to be better conditioned, committed defensively and more focused in general.
and even when Roddy comes back he's the #2 option w/ the game on the line, behind Dirk. this includes the playoffs.

He does seem to be better conditioned...that's always a good for a guard.

fluid.forty.one · 11-11-2010, 03:26 PM

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He does seem to be better conditioned...that's always a good for a guard.

But apparently not so good for a SF..

cinemablend · 11-11-2010, 03:48 PM

JET is playing better right now than he has in a few years. This season overally he's been great. Consistent even.

But we aren't very many games in and we all know JET plays in streaks. So for me the test is will he still be playing like this in 10 games?

LonghornDub · 11-11-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cinemablend

JET is playing better right now than he has in a few years. This season overally he's been great. Consistent even.

But we aren't very many games in and we all know JET plays in streaks. So for me the test is will he still be playing like this in 10 games?

Obviously, he's not going to play like this all year. If he did, he'd be one of the 20 best players in the NBA or so.

But I did try to tell people he wasn't "done." Six playoff games is way too small a sample size to start proclaiming the decline of someone's career.

Usually Lurkin · 11-11-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cinemablend

JET is playing better right now than he has in a few years. This season overally he's been great. Consistent even.

I don't think this is at all out of the ordinary for November JET.

Usually Lurkin · 11-11-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Six playoff games is way too small a sample size to start proclaiming the decline of someone's career.

Is that the 6 games in '08, 6 games in '07, 6 games in '09, 6 games in '10, or the other 6 games in '09?

When was the last time he had a last month the season for which production was as high as his first month?

Kidd Karma · 11-11-2010, 05:16 PM

Get him minutes at the point behind Kidd. No mas Barea.

LonghornDub · 11-11-2010, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

Is that the 6 games in '08, 6 games in '07, 6 games in '09, 6 games in '10, or the other 6 games in '09?

When was the last time he had a last month the season for which production was as high as his first month?

Yeah, this is not responsive to my point. In between those games he's had some tremendous stretches, and some equally poor stretches too. My point is simply that it didn't mark the end of his viable career when he had a bad playoff run last year. Just like it didn't mark the end of his career when he had a bad playoff run the year before, or the year before.

I'm not saying, as you seem to think, that his playoff performance the past several years has been what we need.

Usually Lurkin · 11-11-2010, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Yeah, this is not responsive to my point. In between those games he's had some tremendous stretches, and some equally poor stretches too. My point is simply that it didn't mark the end of his viable career when he had a bad playoff run last year. Just like it didn't mark the end of his career when he had a bad playoff run the year before, or the year before.

I'm not saying, as you seem to think, that his playoff performance the past several years has been what we need.

edit just to be simpler: maybe age wears on him across the season, and that's been a factor for him in the playoffs the last several years.

LonghornDub · 11-11-2010, 08:04 PM

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well, I haven't particularly been arguing that he's on the decline (just in that post that I don't know if anyone is looking at a single six game span), but since you mention it, maybe if you look beyond the six playoff games of last year (to, say, the playoff games of the year before that, and those before that, etc.) you'll see that for his recent career, the end of his 82+ game seasons are worse for him than the beginning of those seasons. That might could be taken as some sort of decline from the couple of seasons before that where he finished so strong.

I don't think so. He had a bad playoffs in 2007 when he was, what, 30? 29? He's certainly not on the decline at that point in his career. That's prime playing age for a guard. There's something else going on other than him just being too old to last a full season.

You may not have been saying he was on the decline, but several others were after last year, even going so far as to say he's "done." My point has always just been that you really need a full season (or close) of poor play before you declare a guy "done." Maybe even more, honestly.

The guy is clearly not done. The question remains whether he'll ever have another good playoffs, though. I hope so, but who knows.

SMC0007 · 11-11-2010, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Yeah, this is not responsive to my point. In between those games he's had some tremendous stretches, and some equally poor stretches too. My point is simply that it didn't mark the end of his viable career when he had a bad playoff run last year. Just like it didn't mark the end of his career when he had a bad playoff run the year before, or the year before.

I'm not saying, as you seem to think, that his playoff performance the past several years has been what we need.

So what you are trying to say is that we need the same playoff performance from JETs past several years n stuff.

dalger · 11-11-2010, 08:26 PM

Jet's clearly not done. Going into this season, I didn't expect him to be incredibly less productive than he used to be. However, I don't expect him to be more productive during the next playoffs either. That's why we need someone like Roddy to become a viable second option--at least occasionally. Jet can be a go-to guy at times, but not consistently against great teams during the playoffs. With Jet as our second option, we'll be good. With Jet as our third option, we could be great.

Kidd Karma · 11-11-2010, 08:27 PM

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So what you are trying to say is that we need the same playoff performance from JETs past several years n stuff.

And unfortunately his contract for next year is guaranteed based on this regular season's play....and boy he's earning it so far, maybe having that last year guaranteed is amping up his game and focus.

Rick41 · 11-11-2010, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

And unfortunately his contract for next year is guaranteed based on this regular season's play....and boy he's earning it so far, maybe having that last year guaranteed is amping up his game and focus.

Hopefully it motivates him to pack his game and take it with him into the post season.

LonghornDub · 11-11-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

So what you are trying to say is that we need the same playoff performance from JETs past several years n stuff.

Precisely, good sir.

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Originally Posted by dalger

Jet's clearly not done. Going into this season, I didn't expect him to be incredibly less productive than he used to be. However, I don't expect him to be more productive during the next playoffs either. That's why we need someone like Roddy to become a viable second option--at least occasionally. Jet can be a go-to guy at times, but not consistently against great teams during the playoffs. With Jet as our second option, we'll be good. With Jet as our third option, we could be great.

Yes, couldn't have said it better myself.

mavs777 · 11-11-2010, 11:39 PM

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I don't think this is at all out of the ordinary for November JET.

Through 7 games:
2010-2011: 34.9 MPG, 19.7 PPG, 54.5 FG %, 50 % Three point percentage,
2009-2010: 33.7 MPG, 18.8 PPG, 49.5 FG %, 40.6 % Three Point Percentage
2008-2009: 34.4 MPG, 16.7 PPG, 40.2 FG %, 25.8 % Three Point Percentage

Usually Lurkin · 11-12-2010, 01:30 AM

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Through 7 games:
2010-2011: 34.9 MPG, 19.7 PPG, 54.5 FG %, 50 % Three point percentage,
2009-2010: 33.7 MPG, 18.8 PPG, 49.5 FG %, 40.6 % Three Point Percentage
2008-2009: 34.4 MPG, 16.7 PPG, 40.2 FG %, 25.8 % Three Point Percentage

great.
in Nov '07, there were 12 4-game runs. Among those, max fg% was 60, max 3fg% was 56, and max pts was 24. First 4-game run in Nov that year was 60% fg, 56% 3fg, and 22 pts

in Nov '08, there were 12 4-game runs. Among those, max fg% was 56, max 3fg% was 41, and max pts was 27. Those occurred together near the end of Nov.

in Nov '09, there were 12 4-game runs. Among those, max fg% was 65%, max 3fg% was 56%, and max pts was 24. Nov. games 1-4 that year were 61% fg, 47% 3fg, and 22 pts.

This years' 4 Nov. games have been 56% fg, 58% 3fg and 22pts