04-30-2011, 04:23 AM
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Tim MacMahon
Did anyone else listen to his ESPN interview with the Kamenetzky brothers of ESPNLA? I found it on the Daily Dime Live for yesterday.
Wow did Tim seem to talk them into how terrible the Mavs were going to be matchup wise. He almost talks them into picking the Lakers in 5 instead of 6.
I know he is not a Mavs fan, but can we get rid of this guy?
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04-30-2011, 07:02 AM
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Mavs are a horrible matchup for the Lakers, have you seen our backcourt?
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04-30-2011, 07:12 AM
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You can expect everybody that picked the Blazers in that first round to overrate the Lakers now. Just because the Mavs didn't follow their picks.
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04-30-2011, 07:50 AM
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Mac has always been a Mav hater....never understood hating the teams in your home city
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04-30-2011, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by endrity
Mavs are a horrible matchup for the Lakers, have you seen our backcourt?
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Besides Kobe, who the Mavs can throw multiple good defenders at, the Lakers back court is really nothing special and doesn't outmatch the Mavs back court much at all.
I think the Mavs match up quite well with the Lakers tbh.
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04-30-2011, 10:34 AM
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I'm not really trying to dissect the match-ups really, I was just commenting on the overall "the Mavs have no chance" interview that Tim gave. The Kamenetzky brothers were far more fair in there assessment of the Mavs chances.
He even mentioned that he predicted LA in 7 because he wanted to give the Mavs credit and put it a few more games than he though it would go.
It is ESPNDallas. It feels like we had a player on the team come out and say "We're pretty sure we are going to get killed". Can there be a hint of "I would like to see them win and am at least hopeful for our chances"
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04-30-2011, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by endrity
Mavs are a horrible matchup for the Lakers, have you seen our backcourt?
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Wha?
Kidd's gonna post up fisher for 10+ every game this series. And that's just on post ups.
So then you have Blake? Brown? Give me a break. The only backcourt player they have that makes the Mavs (and everybody else) sweat is Kobe.
If you'd have said front court, then I might think you weren't high.
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04-30-2011, 11:19 AM
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MacMahon also picked the Blazers.
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04-30-2011, 11:24 AM
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Who cares????
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04-30-2011, 11:26 AM
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Wha?
Kidd's gonna post up fisher for 10+ every game this series. And that's just on post ups.
So then you have Blake? Brown? Give me a break. The only backcourt player they have that makes the Mavs (and everybody else) sweat is Kobe.
If you'd have said front court, then I might think you weren't high.
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The most important part about the front court matchups is that we have the best one on both teams. That is important. As long as we can D up on Bynum, Odom is going to be the X-factor in the series.
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04-30-2011, 12:03 PM
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I think it is wise and much easier on the blood pressure to not listen to anybody about anything pertaining to the Mavs. The fact is the players play and the has-beens or never-were's talk out their flabby asses 99% of the time.
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04-30-2011, 12:05 PM
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I'm also surprised that someone would point out our backcourt prior to a series against the Lakers as it relates to disadvantageous matchups. With the exception of Kobe, who could be a problem no matter what and against any team, players like Fisher, Blake and Brown don't scare me at all. In fact, this is the only matchup that could allow Kidd to convincingly outplay the opposing point guard.
I would think that Kobe and their frontcourt could be the deciding factor in this series. If we could contain Bynum/Gasol/Odom as good as possible and only allowed Kobe to be a star instead of an MVP, we'd be in a position to maybe upset some "experts" again.
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04-30-2011, 12:28 PM
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BGMaverick9: I posted this in the Mavs forum because probably 95% of us read the ESPN Dallas stuff and who else am I going to complain to. My wife really won't care.
Part of wanting your team to win is the recognition of being a good/great team. I listened to about 6 discussions on espn from PTI to 1st take to Chris Mullin and this MacMahon interview. The most pessimistic view of the Mavs chances came from Tim.
After the series begins all of this won't matter and I understand that.
Backcourt matchup problem... I think the backcourt will be a place where we can take advantage of whoever isn't Kobe. Defensively I see a big matchup problem with Kobe Bean. I sweat just thinking about the impending few times Peja will guard Kobe.
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04-30-2011, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott McGuire
BGMaverick9: I posted this in the Mavs forum because probably 95% of us read the ESPN Dallas stuff and who else am I going to complain to. My wife really won't care.
Part of wanting your team to win is the recognition of being a good/great team. I listened to about 6 discussions on espn from PTI to 1st take to Chris Mullin and this MacMahon interview. The most pessimistic view of the Mavs chances came from Tim.
After the series begins all of this won't matter and I understand that.
Backcourt matchup problem... I think the backcourt will be a place where we can take advantage of whoever isn't Kobe. Defensively I see a big matchup problem with Kobe Bean. I sweat just thinking about the impending few times Peja will guard Kobe.
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It's not even an attempt to pump my own chest, it holds true and it just common sense...there are other avenues to read Mavs news.
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04-30-2011, 01:00 PM
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Both teams have the exact same weakness that chances are won't be exploited, Mavs and Lakers both struggle with quick PG's that can get into the lane, so that cancels each other out. Blake is a solid defender but I think that is a good matchup for him and Kidd defending Fisher wont have to spend a ton of energy and can post him up a lot. Obviously Kobe is going to get his, we need to make him into a volume scorer and not an effecient one (kind of like dirk was in the first 5 games). One of the big keys is Haywood he is the guy we have that matches up with Bynum be interesting to see how that plays out.
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04-30-2011, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ShaggyDirk
I think it is wise and much easier on the blood pressure to not listen to anybody about anything pertaining to the Mavs. The fact is the players play and the has-beens or never-were's talk out their flabby asses 99% of the time.
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04-30-2011, 01:22 PM
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I would say my ass is not flabby...but otherwise, yeah.
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04-30-2011, 06:11 PM
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Can only recommend to give blazersedge.com a look right now if you're searching for a more positive vibe. A lot of praise and "thumbs up" for our team. And a lot of "Beat L.A." in the comments
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04-30-2011, 06:57 PM
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I don't see why the Lakers are a "bad match up" for the Mavs, other than the Lakers are just really, really good and have an excellent coach. Other than not having an attacking point guard who can make Fisher pay, the Mavs seem to match up with the Lakers as well as anyone possibly could. We've got a ton of size in the front court, situational size for the backcourt, a better and deeper bench (although Odom is better than Terry)...
If the Lakers are a horrible match up for the Mavs, I'm not sure which team is a "good" match up against the Lakers?
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04-30-2011, 09:05 PM
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I don't see why the Lakers are a "bad match up" for the Mavs, other than the Lakers are just really, really good and have an excellent coach. Other than not having an attacking point guard who can make Fisher pay, the Mavs seem to match up with the Lakers as well as anyone possibly could. We've got a ton of size in the front court, situational size for the backcourt, a better and deeper bench (although Odom is better than Terry)...
If the Lakers are a horrible match up for the Mavs, I'm not sure which team is a "good" match up against the Lakers?
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I think the "ton of size in the front court" is misleading. Tyson Chandler has not shown that he can handle Bynum at all. And while I think Haywood can, Chandler is vital to this team. If he can't play 30 minutes a night and handle Bynum then it's a huge problem.
And the whole attacking point guard problem seems like a big deal. It's their biggest weakness by far and we can't exploit it.
I think Memphis and Oklahoma City both match up much better with LA than we do. Oklahoma City, in particular, has a starting center that has given LA fits, and a PG that they won't be able to guard.
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04-30-2011, 09:30 PM
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I think the "ton of size in the front court" is misleading. Tyson Chandler has not shown that he can handle Bynum at all. And while I think Haywood can, Chandler is vital to this team. If he can't play 30 minutes a night and handle Bynum then it's a huge problem.
And the whole attacking point guard problem seems like a big deal. It's their biggest weakness by far and we can't exploit it.
I think Memphis and Oklahoma City both match up much better with LA than we do. Oklahoma City, in particular, has a starting center that has given LA fits, and a PG that they won't be able to guard.
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And their biggest strength is their size, which we also have in bundles. I don't think it's "misleading" at all. We have a lot of size. It's just a fact. I hear you about Tyson, but we also hadn't shown in the regular season that we could do anything about the Blazers' big guards posting us up til kingdom come. Bynum will muscle him, to be sure, but we're still very fortunate to have all that size. It's up to Rick to help us maximize that asset.
Even if I give you OKC and Memphis, both of which I think are up for debate, the Mavs are still in a much better position than most of the teams in the NBA, and even most teams of the playoff pool. If "bad matchup" means something more nuanced than just "the Lakers are a really good team top-to-bottom that will be very hard to beat"--which I think it has to---then I just don't see how it's a bad matchup. I wouldn't say it's a great matchup, but we're as well equipped as just about anyone. The Lakers are just damn, damn good.
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04-30-2011, 09:37 PM
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Chandler has been great for the team, but he definitely has issues with thick centers. He's been having those issues all year. Haywood needs to step up and get it done.
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04-30-2011, 09:57 PM
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And their biggest strength is their size, which we also have in bundles. I don't think it's "misleading" at all. We have a lot of size. It's just a fact. I hear you about Tyson, but we also hadn't shown in the regular season that we could do anything about the Blazers' big guards posting us up til kingdom come. Bynum will muscle him, to be sure, but we're still very fortunate to have all that size. It's up to Rick to help us maximize that asset.
Even if I give you OKC and Memphis, both of which I think are up for debate, the Mavs are still in a much better position than most of the teams in the NBA, and even most teams of the playoff pool. If "bad matchup" means something more nuanced than just "the Lakers are a really good team top-to-bottom that will be very hard to beat"--which I think it has to---then I just don't see how it's a bad matchup. I wouldn't say it's a great matchup, but we're as well equipped as just about anyone. The Lakers are just damn, damn good.
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I fully agree with your general vibe. Any team that is championship-calibre, as the Lakers certainly are, is going to present on-paper matchup problems for anyone, even other teams on their level.
As for specific matchups, I am indeed worried about that fat kid Bynum. Seems that we didn't have much answer for him the last time we played them. I am also worried that Artest might do some crazy stuff on Dirk. But at the same time, I am optimistic that Marion will throw some defense out there that will bother them, that Barea will drive by Fisher any time he wants to, and that Terry lights on fire and they have no answer for it.
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04-30-2011, 10:00 PM
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You know...I kind forgot about Artest. That's how freaking talented the Lakers are. In my opinion, the guy was on pace to be a top 20-25 player in the league before the brawl occurred.
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04-30-2011, 10:39 PM
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The main problem when playing the lakers is that their margin of error is high, it fells like you have to play the perfect game to beat them.
Using the New Orleans series, the hornets played Four very good games and lost two and won the other two by a small margin, but the two they didn't play well they got blown out.
All I'm saying is it will be difficult to blow away the lakers like you did the blazers, so execution down the stretch will be very important.
NOTE: Dallas has to knock down more shots or these series might not even be close.
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04-30-2011, 11:23 PM
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The main problem when playing the lakers is that their margin of error is high, it fells like you have to play the perfect game to beat them.
Using the New Orleans series, the hornets played Four very good games and lost two and won the other two by a small margin, but the two they didn't play well they got blown out.
All I'm saying is it will be difficult to blow away the lakers like you did the blazers, so execution down the stretch will be very important.
NOTE: Dallas has to knock down more shots or these series might not even be close.
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Their margin for error will be far smaller against us than it was against the Hornets.
Far, far smaller.
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05-01-2011, 01:01 AM
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I fully agree with your general vibe. Any team that is championship-calibre, as the Lakers certainly are, is going to present on-paper matchup problems for anyone, even other teams on their level.
As for specific matchups, I am indeed worried about that fat kid Bynum. Seems that we didn't have much answer for him the last time we played them. I am also worried that Artest might do some crazy stuff on Dirk. But at the same time, I am optimistic that Marion will throw some defense out there that will bother them, that Barea will drive by Fisher any time he wants to, and that Terry lights on fire and they have no answer for it.
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You know JJ is gonna be hugely important in this series. He has to play better against the Lakers than he did in those last 2 regular season games. He had some untimely turnovers, didnt do a good job of running the offense and just seemed to be pressing. If he can get into the lane some and distribute it makes life easier for everyone. The Lakers length seems to give him fits.
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05-01-2011, 01:05 AM
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Chandler has been great for the team, but he definitely has issues with thick centers. He's been having those issues all year. Haywood needs to step up and get it done.
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I feel like he was very passive with Bynum and needs to fight harder to push him off the block. Bynum was basically catching it 3 feet from the basket. He was also camping out in the lane in Tyson's defense-- tough to defend against when a guy is allowed to get away with that.
I'm sure a HUGE part of what the coaching staff is doing in practice is focused on ways to slow down Bynum.
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05-01-2011, 01:10 AM
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The main problem when playing the lakers is that their margin of error is high, it fells like you have to play the perfect game to beat them.
Using the New Orleans series, the hornets played Four very good games and lost two and won the other two by a small margin, but the two they didn't play well they got blown out.
All I'm saying is it will be difficult to blow away the lakers like you did the blazers, so execution down the stretch will be very important.
NOTE: Dallas has to knock down more shots or these series might not even be close.
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Yeah man, Dallas is definitely a team that needs a guy to step up and knock down some 3's... Peja, Kidd, Jet. As improved as the Mavs defense is, shutting down the Lakers, as opposed to the Blazers, is a whole different story.
If Jet can continue with this hot streak he's on then the Mavs have a great chance.
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05-01-2011, 01:12 AM
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without Bynum the Lakers dont scare me a bit, but if Bynum can have his way both in the post and on the boards, this team will have to have a lot of energy to team rebound, drive like crazy and pray for jumpers to go down.
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05-01-2011, 01:17 AM
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without Bynum the Lakers dont scare me a bit, but if Bynum can have his way both in the post and on the boards, this team will have to have a lot of energy to team rebound, drive like crazy and pray for jumpers to go down.
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It's actually Odom that scares me. He sometimes takes some bad shots but when he's on The Lakers are just really tough to beat. What a luxury to have such a skilled, versatile all-around player off your bench. Matchup nightmare(wish this Mavs team had more of those)
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You know JJ is gonna be hugely important in this series. He has to play better against the Lakers than he did in those last 2 regular season games. He had some untimely turnovers, didnt do a good job of running the offense and just seemed to be pressing. If he can get into the lane some and distribute it makes life easier for everyone. The Lakers length seems to give him fits.
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JJ needs to back off the penetration and distribute a little bit more. He needs to make some better decisions than I thought he did against the blazers.
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JJ needs to back off the penetration and distribute a little bit more. He needs to make some better decisions than I thought he did against the blazers.
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??? you want him to not penetrate and distribute more? what just pass it around the perimeter? Barea needs to penetrate but he needs to penetrate more to pass in this series than shoot
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The main problem when playing the lakers is that their margin of error is high, it fells like you have to play the perfect game to beat them.
Using the New Orleans series, the hornets played Four very good games and lost two and won the other two by a small margin, but the two they didn't play well they got blown out.
All I'm saying is it will be difficult to blow away the lakers like you did the blazers, so execution down the stretch will be very important.
NOTE: Dallas has to knock down more shots or these series might not even be close.
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I understand what you are saying but the talent levels aren't even close between NO and Dallas, New Orleans had who? Paul, Ariza (meh), Landry (inconsistent player), Bellinelli, Jack, and Okofar? Mavs have a lot more players that are able to score
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I understand what you are saying but the talent levels aren't even close between NO and Dallas, New Orleans had who? Paul, Ariza (meh), Landry (inconsistent player), Bellinelli, Jack, and Okofar? Mavs have a lot more players that are able to score
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See I would've loved having Landry here. We could've played him at the 3 some to create matchup problems for other teams. Landry is quick enough to stay with Odom and Artest and also slide over on Gasol. He averaged 16ppg against the Lakers and was able to get to the line alot. He's quick for a PF and too big for alot of Small Forwards. Too bad we couldn't steal him.
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