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Big Lo · 12-10-2004, 08:50 AM

It seems more than obvious that Terry isnt going to be a PG around here much longer if tonight is any indication. Nellie is having to bring in armstrong more and more this season because terry has no clue how to run an offense. of course i went thru the ideas that maybe he doesnt know the pffense that well., but even knowing that, do you think armstrong know it that much better?

too many times this year ive seen visible displeasure on the faces of fin and dirk when trying to direct the offense, because guys either arent moving or dont know where they need to be. too many times ive seen Terry and daniels sit and dribble the shot clock down with absolutely no movement from anyone else. and weve seen on more than one occassion how an offense should be run by an opposing team. if there were any trade rumors suggesting sending terry and henderson passing to new jersey, ive got to say in completely on board with the move.

4cwebb · 12-10-2004, 09:52 AM

I think this is too hasty a decision. Terry hasn't had to be a PG since he was at AZ before his senior year, yet people expect him to figure this all out again in 20 games for the Mavs? Please. Nellie's offense is much too complicated for that type of quick learning, and with the addition of an actual low post player in Damp, the Mavs are learning on the fly, and there will be bumps in the road in such learning. Here's to hoping that Nellie gives Terry some time to adjust.

BaylorTMW · 12-10-2004, 10:52 AM

Dditn everyone want to dump Nash early on too. Nellie's offense is VERY complicated. He needs more than a quarter of a season for me to be against him...

Simon2 · 12-10-2004, 11:51 AM

I don't think Terry has been given enough of a chance to prove what he can do. The guy isn't even starting and has been put in a very difficult position. Its hard to shine when even the coach has no confidence in you.

EricaLubarsky · 12-10-2004, 02:37 PM

We need to play Terry more and we need to have an environment where Damp and Terry play consistently and the offense works around Terry's strengths and weaknesses.

Captain Disaster · 12-11-2004, 12:58 AM

It sure seems like the assessments from the ESPN board from the summer concerning "the Jet" were dead-on.

grndmstr_c · 12-12-2004, 03:14 PM

The Mavs outscore opponents by 10.5 points per 48 minutes with Terry running the point. With Terry on the bench this season the Mavs have been outscored by .9 points per 48 minutes.

dude1394 · 12-12-2004, 04:44 PM

Maybe so, but armstrong looks the better point to me right now. I do think to be honest that terry is a better off-the-bench shooting guard than "the house".

sike · 12-12-2004, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by: BaylorTMW
Dditn everyone want to dump Nash early on too. Nellie's offense is VERY complicated. He needs more than a quarter of a season for me to be against him...

well said

dude1394 · 12-12-2004, 06:41 PM

Obviously Baylor needs to work on his snap judgments under pressure.

Psychedelic Fuzz · 12-12-2004, 08:08 PM

wait, so because no one else is executing Terry should be traded.

Perfectly logical. After all the new faces in the off season, injuries to every key player we have, and a trade to get a "true" point, who is doing a great job so far...clearly what this team needs is a chemistry killing major trade for someone with a huge contract and questionable knees.

I'm not quite buying it. Harris is riding the pine, Armstrong is doing great, all the major pieces are playing (if not completely healthy), and the schedule is easy for a while. Let's see if this thing is going to work before blowing it up again.

EricaLubarsky · 12-12-2004, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by: Psychedelic Fuzz
wait, so because no one else is executing Terry should be traded.

Perfectly logical. After all the new faces in the off season, injuries to every key player we have, and a trade to get a "true" point, who is doing a great job so far...clearly what this team needs is a chemistry killing major trade for someone with a huge contract and questionable knees.

I'm not quite buying it. Harris is riding the pine, Armstrong is doing great, all the major pieces are playing (if not completely healthy), and the schedule is easy for a while. Let's see if this thing is going to work before blowing it up again.

No! Way too practical. We had a loss! Surely we can prevent losses in the future by trading players every time the team comes out flat or short. When and if a point guard finally comes in knowing everything, is comfortable with all the guys right out the gate, and starts his double-digit assist games in his first game, then we'll stop our roster turnover. Until then, we'll give our point guards only twenty-one games to show us that they are perfect. If they can't learn Nellie's system in a quarter-season, then they aren't a point guard.

bloodyhell · 12-12-2004, 11:50 PM

Maybe send stack packing instead.

bgantz · 12-12-2004, 11:52 PM

i like terry's ambition for coming off the bench and even starting the MOB. he's got a great attitude and can shoot. i would give him more time to try to work things out, i mean he's not terrible or anything. if anyone should go it should be stackhouse, he doesn't fit at all. period.

fin4life · 12-13-2004, 12:19 AM

Nobody should go. Not Terry. Not Stackhouse. Nobody! Not now at least.... the only time that the mavs should consider trading someone is the trade deadline. Until then the mavs need to let everyone try to get a feel for each other on the court. If we are playing well and it looks like we are headed in the right direction.... then we should make no move. We have already made a trade this season and it was helpful. I thjink that was the last piece of the puzzle, at least until the summer.

Big Lo · 12-13-2004, 09:01 AM

other than just the flashes that we see from terry its more than just obvious that armstrong should be starting weel over terry. the stat of who outscores more and when is very misleading if u havent seen the games and ive seen them; most of us have. right now i say armstrong has the on court experience of running the point over terry, which is why he should be starting. anyone who wants to argue that should pull the tape of saturdays game as a reference. and if u still want to argue that then, i dont think anyone can help you. part of being point is the ability to involve your teamates and make plays happen. honestly, the mavs ran not much of an offense when steve was at point all these years. they did but it was much more creation on behalf of nashs movement and penetration and tempo. thats exactly what weve seen from armstrong. at times i tend to believe you either have it or you dont.

dude1394 · 12-13-2004, 09:31 AM

I agree BLo.... His decision making is much,much crisper and he doesn't mind getting rid of the ball, he seems to enjoy seeing it moved around. Terry really is a more natural shooting guard. I think that's also why nellie wants 'quis running the point some, you can have terry out there as a shooting guard but not running the point.

FilthyFinMavs · 12-13-2004, 02:03 PM

It's all starting to make some sense now. When we traded for Terry we all were under the assumption that he was here to start and be our starting point guard for us. When Nellie sits him and stats Harris we including myself were upset that Nellie would just sit Terry just to have a spark off the bench but when we traded for DA that tells me Terry was never brought in to start for us but to be our Nick Van Exel. This can work if Terry raises his offense game because he's a threat when both passing and shooting but we definately can't run the offense through him.

Eman · 12-13-2004, 05:34 PM

Give Terry some time........He's been injured and has to learn to play in a totally different system. I think by late this year, maybe early next year, he will be a major contributor.............Fin has proven since coming back that most of the new guys don't really feel comfortable playing in Nellie's offense yet..........they'll come around.

BaylorTMW · 12-13-2004, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by: dude1394
Obviously Baylor needs to work on his snap judgments under pressure.

I do have to work on that...

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EricaLubarsky · 01-04-2005, 03:26 PM

bump

jibikao · 01-04-2005, 03:29 PM

You just hate Terry so much, don't ya?

I thought Terry is playing 2 now? He is a shooting guard, not a PG.

He should play SG and put Devin on PG.

Or he and Devin should inter-change.... blah.. not sure what I am talking about here.

Jimmy

The Miles · 01-04-2005, 03:34 PM

Terry has been great since taking over the PG spot. Over 7 assists a game, shooting great, getting steals out of the wazoo, etc....

samoan-maverick · 01-04-2005, 03:57 PM

Can someone post the Chad Ford article on ESPN.com??? i dont wanna make another thread with false hopes.

The one about the Mavs being on the bubble.

thanx.

HexNBA · 01-04-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by: samoan-maverick
Can someone post the Chad Ford article on ESPN.com??? i dont wanna make another thread with false hopes.

The one about the Mavs being on the bubble.

thanx.

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Dallas Mavericks – The Big Three has turned into the bigger one. Dirk Nowitzki has been great this season for the Mavericks. But without Steve Nash running the show and distributing the love, the rest of the team has been just average.
Don Nelson's biggest challenge is finding a point guard who can score, while still keeping the rest of his teammates involved. After a rocky start, Jason Terry has emerged as a possible solution. His scoring is down and his assists are up, telling signs that Nellie is finally getting through to him.

The numbers themselves are stirring. In the Mavs 20 wins, Terry is averaging 5.2 apg. In their 10 losses, he averages 2.3 apg. Since he took over as the starting point guard seven games ago, he's averaging 7.2 apg.

Nelson's other challenge is to find a consistent scorer to help Nowitzki. In year's past that's been Michael Finley's job. However, Finley's scoring has dropped significantly this year due to age and injuries. The Mavs' best hope at replacing it may lie with second-year forward Josh Howard.

Howard has seen his role increase in the offense. He's averaging 17.4 ppg and 8.6 rpg over his last five, giving the Mavericks another potent weapon on the front line. The team is also starting to get a more consistent output in the paint from Erick Dampier. He's averaging 13.8 ppg in the Mavs' last four wins.

If Nelson can continue to get Terry to consistently run the offense and Howard and Dampier to consistently score , the Mavs have a shot of moving up with the other best teams in the West.

kg_veteran · 01-04-2005, 05:25 PM

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Nelson's other challenge is to find a consistent scorer to help Nowitzki. In year's past that's been Michael Finley's job. However, Finley's scoring has dropped significantly this year due to age and injuries.

His scoring has dropped from 18.6 ppg to 17.7 ppg. Less than 1 ppg. And Finley is actually scoring more points per minute this year than last, because he's playing fewer minutes.

Ford needs to get his facts straight. I agree that Howard's role is increasing with the team. I wouldn't even disagree with someone asserting that Josh Howard is currently the second-best player on the team. Nellie himself has said that. But to argue that Finley is somehow now an unreliable scorer is, well, uninformed.

samoan-maverick · 01-04-2005, 05:37 PM

Maybe the lack of scoring is coming from the lack of shot attempts? Howard shot more than Finley in their last win over Milwaukee and Finley didnt shoot a lot against the Celtics either. BUt who are they? Just wait for the actual teams to come in to play then Finley will show his age shows experience.

dude1394 · 01-04-2005, 06:09 PM

I actually like the way that fin has grown into a deadly long-range shooter. Many other teams (spurs for example) have to go out and get those type of guys, it's nice to see finley matruing into that role and still being with the mavs, gives them a lot of continuity.

birdsanctuary · 01-04-2005, 08:24 PM

If Terry can average 7 assists from this point on continue to defend the perimeter and force turnovers like he is doing the mavs will be fine with him. When he distributes the ball the whole team improves. I say keep Terry, and hope he is a gamer in the playoffs. Somebody needs to emerge in the playoffs beyond Dirk and Howard, Damp, Terry, Daniels, Harris, Stack, Fin? Whoever. I'm confident JHO and Dirk will be dominant in the playoffs, one more player emerging will put us in the Western Conference Finals; two more emmerging and we are heading to the NBA Finals.

Trade Terry only if you can get KIDD, other than that, be patient and wait for him to develop. He already is showing signs that he might become an effective Point Guard.

BIRD
OUT!

FilthyFinMavs · 01-04-2005, 09:44 PM

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Nelson's other challenge is to find a consistent scorer to help Nowitzki. In year's past that's been Michael Finley's job. However, Finley's scoring has dropped significantly this year due to age and injuries.

His scoring has dropped from 18.6 ppg to 17.7 ppg. Less than 1 ppg. And Finley is actually scoring more points per minute this year than last, because he's playing fewer minutes.

Ford needs to get his facts straight. I agree that Howard's role is increasing with the team. I wouldn't even disagree with someone asserting that Josh Howard is currently the second-best player on the team. Nellie himself has said that. But to argue that Finley is somehow now an unreliable scorer is, well, uninformed.

Exactly and in defense of Finley he's scoring has dropped dramatically due to the last couple of games. He'll eventually get out of this slump and I hope it's tommorow.

Bayliss · 01-04-2005, 09:58 PM

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He'll eventually get out of this slump and I hope it's tommorow.

I hope it is next week against the Spurs. The main reason the Mavs lost the first two times is Dirk literally was the only one scoring for the Mavs. And come the 4th quarter, he wore out some...

The Mavs need Fin's shooting to keep SA from "sagging" on Dirk, and to help Dirk not have to shoulder the burden. Much like Ginobili and Parker do with Tim Duncan.

FilthyFinMavs · 01-04-2005, 11:02 PM

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He'll eventually get out of this slump and I hope it's tommorow.

I hope it is next week against the Spurs. The main reason the Mavs lost the first two times is Dirk literally was the only one scoring for the Mavs. And come the 4th quarter, he wore out some...

The Mavs need Fin's shooting to keep SA from "sagging" on Dirk, and to help Dirk not have to shoulder the burden. Much like Ginobili and Parker do with Tim Duncan.

Well i'd prefer he'd get out of this slump as soon as possible but if I have to wait till the Spurs game then that suits me ok. I'd be very dissapointed in Fin if he doesn't step up that game. I expect nothing less than 22 from him that game.

Captain Disaster · 01-05-2005, 09:11 AM

It has been recently encouraging to see Terry play like a point guard for a few quarters; when he does, the Mavs do great. However, it seems like he loses focus, goes back to his old game, jacks up ill-advised shots or forgets to be a playmaker first, and the other team comes storming back. If he can't get it together soon, ship him out for a true point guard who can shoot, preferably a young one to compliment Devin.

TheBaron · 01-05-2005, 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by: Captain Disaster
ship him out for a true point guard who can shoot, preferably a young one to compliment Devin.

Lol. You have any idea who? That statement is silly as it is but thinking that you can get a point guard that's better, younger, and "can shoot" is absolutely ludicrous. Dwyane Wade was given player of the month for the East and one of the reasons NBA TV guessed was that he shot 48% from the guard position which they tell me is "absolutely amazing". Terry is shooting 48.8% which is even better than Wade. Also if you look at the apg for Terry you may forget that Terry's numbers as a starter are remarkably better and the last two games, he's averaging 12assists per. Then there is the issue of "younger". Is there really a younger point guard that is more pure than Terry at age 27? Dwyane Wade is younger but I dont see him being any more pure of a point guard. Kirk Hinrich- the same thing.

If you can name a point guard that is younger and more pure, then name him. If you can name a point guard that can shoot anywhere near what Terry is, then I'd like to hear it. And if that player is available, then I would be thrilled to hear it, but as it is you set yourself up for failure by making that absoluletely ludicrous statement.

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the other team comes storming back

actually if you look at the numbers when he is in the game, it is when he is out that the other team comes storming back . Terry has a pretty fantastic +/-

check your facts. Other teams do not come storming back while Terry is in the game, Terry shoots 48.8% which is even better than Dwyane Wade, Terry is just as pure a point as Wade and Terry has one doosy of a contract to boot. Define a player that would mesh with Harris, and you may take out every point in the league.

It seems like you are trying to point at Nash because he's a pure point and he can shoot, but you also said that he needs to mesh with Harris which makes me think Kidd who would be able to help Harris with his obvious defensive abilities. But then you say that you want the pointto be younger, which makes me think you want Wade.

Can you come up with a name that fits all your own criteria and that we wouldnt laugh at for being so unavailable? If you could think of a point guard that was younger, more veteran, and could shoot the ball and would be available for Terry (who you say we should trade away for the mystery point), then wouldnt we really already have found them?

If we havent because they are still incredibly young like Ben Gordon, then why mess with a team that is really getting it together so we may have a point guard that is better than Terry in 2-3 years?

EricaLubarsky · 01-24-2005, 05:59 PM

bump

dirk2003 · 01-24-2005, 06:24 PM

After Dirk, I'm not sure if Terry or Howard is my second favorite player.... I love this team.

Windmill360 · 01-24-2005, 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by: EricaLubarsky
bump

Did anyone hear that noise?

Drbio · 01-25-2005, 11:43 PM

All I hear is JET making people who want to get rid of him look like morons.

greensborohill · 01-28-2005, 06:20 AM

As of today Jason Terry has a + 11.0 when he is on the floor and a - 0.8 when he is off it. . . that's a +/- of 11.8. . . I like JT, he is now my 2nd favorite Mav. When we first go him I was so affraid of his mid to low 40% shooting. But he has proven me totally wrong. He plays within the flow and has showed great ability to drive the lane and hit the open 3.

FV@K Jason Kidd!!

JET BABY!!!

greensborohill · 01-28-2005, 06:34 AM

How about a 6'1" Guard shooting 52.1% that's 10th in the NBA. He's 5th in the NBA in 3pt% He takes just 8 shots a game and scores 11 points on those 8 shots. He's taken double digit shots just 12 times this season and his season high in attempts is 15. He is efficent!!1.5 steals and is averaging 7 assits the Boston game on 12/28 and we've been 9-4 (.692 winning %). which is better than are overall winning % of .682.