Cowboys/Titans Agree on Deal for Pacman Jones

[LonghornDub]

Looks like it will happen, assuming he gets reinstated.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3364138

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Stupid, as he's back in the news yet again for being involved in an extortion situation. Even though he may be the victim in this particular case Goodell may just decide he can't stay away from trouble and ban him for another year or two or even life.


Edit: ok I just read the article that if he doesn't get reinstated the Titans will send a pick back next year. So it's really a no risk situation.

[alby]

no risk at all, its a win win.

I say trade for Detroit's Roy Williams on Saturday now, since we have a legit coverman (if he get's reinstated), and book your tickets for Tampa Bay for February 1, 2009.

maybe even go after this guy?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...=ESPNHeadlines


PS: why is the NFC East always involved

[Kirobaito]

Originally Posted by alby

no risk at all, its a win win.

I say trade for Detroit's Roy Williams on Saturday now, since we have a legit coverman (if he get's reinstated), and book your tickets for Tampa Bay for February 1, 2009.

I've give up #28 for Williams in a second. Probably #22, also (that's not both - one or the other...).

If we trade for Williams, though, what the hell do we do with the other pick? Felix Jones? I don't know. We don't really have a need.

[Windmill360]

haaaaaaazzzzaaa!

[Burn this City]

I wonder if he still likes to make it rain...

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Kirobaito

I've give up #28 for Williams in a second. Probably #22, also (that's not both - one or the other...).

If we trade for Williams, though, what the hell do we do with the other pick? Felix Jones? I don't know. We don't really have a need.

You still have to draft another corner, at some point. You can't depend on PacMan.

[GuerillaBlack]

(open letter to every rabid, bloodthirsty special teams player of the the OTHER 15 teams which comprise the National Football Conference:

Gentlemen:
Will one of you overpaid, psychotic, conceited, prima donna, raw meat eatin', skank impregnatin', steroid poppin', paid Nike shoe wearin', autograph sellin', bone crunchin' muff-huggas PLEASE put this sum-byatch in a body cast on a kick off return!? I for one am sick of hearing about him, his thuggish entouráge and his violent @ss in general. Obliterate his ribcage on a runback will ya?

Respectfully,

Sir Kofi Jamal Jackson
aka GuerillaBlack

P.S. Duck Fallas...QUACK!

[alby]

What sort of player are the Cowboys receiving? Well, a member of the Titans organization recently told me that Pacman is a great competitor in practice and a solid teammate. His temper will flare at times on the practice field, but coaches have said it led to more inspired sessions.

Last week, Cowboys tight end Jason Witten and defensive end Chris Canty told me that they look forward to playing with Pacman. Canty, who's mother is a Methodist minister, spoke of redemption and said that he thinks the troubled cornerback will flourish in a new environment.

If Pacman's reinstated, the Cowboys will have obtained one of the most dangerous return men in football and a potential starting corner. As I wrote in a recent column, Jerry Jones is the king of second chances, in part, because he received his fair share. To most teams, Pacman would be considered fool's gold. To Jerry, the player's upside far outweighs the potential risk involved.

-espn.com

[Dtownsfinest]

Good deal. I just hope the Cowboys don't do something dumb on Saturday. Stay with the program. Draft as if Pacman isn't here. If there's a great corner there at #28 go after him. If Jonathan Stewart or Felix Jones are there at #22 then make that move. I'd like to pick a reciever at some point as well. If not the 1st round definately the 2nd.

[chumdawg]

Let's just pray that Pacman is reinstated. I don't give a crap what kind of person the guy is, so long as he plays good football. And I will assume that if he's on the field he's going to play very good football.

As for the draft...I hear that the Cowboys prefer Stewart to Felix Jones, but my pants are twitching a bit for Jones. I guess I'll be happy with either. Though, I am also interested in a move up to 12 (with Denver) or similar if Mendenhall can be gotten.

I'm not at all interested in a receiver at 28 if we go RB at 22. I generally distrust first round receivers, and nothing about the present class makes me want to change my mind. Now, trading the 28 for Roy Williams is a move I would be solidly behind. Incidentally, what would they put on the back of those guys' jerseys, if we did acquire another Roy Williams?

I'm leaning toward defensive back with the 28, assuming we draft a runner at 22 and don't trade the 28, but I'll also be happy with best player available.

[mkat]

felix jones feels like a bust to me.

i think jerry's gonna use either 22 or 28 + a 3rd and maybe future picks to get a veteran receiver.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by mkat

felix jones feels like a bust to me.

i think jerry's gonna use either 22 or 28 + a 3rd and maybe future picks to get a veteran receiver.

I can't imagine giving a third when you have already given a fourth. And that's for *anybody*. No way in hell he gives a 1 and a 3 for any receiver on the block. No way.

Why do you feel Jones is a bust?

[Dtownsfinest]

I feel Jones is gonna be something. I don't know why. I felt this same way when Michael Turner was coming out and we traded down. I was for sure it was for that guy but instead we drafted Julius Jones. I don't know why but I think Felix will be something. He's not going to be asked to carry the whole load. Barber will get half or more of the carries. We just need that speed back and I think he can fill the role and contribute this year. I'd like to get Jonathan Stewart as well but I think he's gone before the #22. Cowboys already gave up a 4th rounder. I just draft. Forget looking to trade down unless its just a couple of spots. Last year Brady Quinn fell to the Boys. Someone may fall again this year.

[Underdog]

[GuerillaBlack]

Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

(open letter to every rabid, bloodthirsty special teams player of the the OTHER 15 teams which comprise the National Football Conference:

Gentlemen:
Will one of you overpaid, psychotic, conceited, prima donna, raw meat eatin', skank impregnatin', steroid poppin', paid Nike shoe wearin', autograph sellin', bone crunchin' muff-huggas PLEASE put this sum-byatch in a body cast on a kick off return!? I for one am sick of hearing about him, his thuggish entouráge and his violent @ss in general. Obliterate his ribcage on a runback will ya?

Respectfully,

Sir Kofi Jamal Jackson
aka GuerillaBlack

P.S. Duck Fallas...QUACK!

By the way, don't take what I said here seriously like someone else did. It was a joke.

I don't hate on the cowboys but this Pac Man move just plays into the hands of the haters. I hate to say it but facts be damned, Pac Man is the poster boy for bad boy behavior and anti-social behavior. This is a big risk not so much for the draft pick, which was nominal all things considered, but the risk to your locker room and franchise is pretty much unprecedented. Jones has been rewarded with giving players second chances in the past but the stakes have never been higher. Pac Man is a Grade A Jackass and to put faith in him is a dubious proposition at best. PacMan. Tank Johnson. Who's next? Tony Montana?

Congrats to JJ if it works out though, because he may be celebrating a Super Bowl championship if it does. Pac Man has a buttload of talent and with him and Newman at CB, that is a pretty vaunted starting CB duo. Then you factor in his ST skills, this could be the move that puts them over the top..........or the move that embarrasses the franchise once again.

[Dirkenstien]

Now trade 22 and 28 to move up to get McFadden.

[Jack.Kerr]

Jerry Jones: The New Milennuium Edition of Al Davis

Will the Cowboys become the next decade's Raiders?

Zero respect for that franchise now with this move.

[alexamenos]

i don't mind this deal as long as 'boys take a corner in the draft who can play in nickle packages behind Newman and Henry. If they do that, then there's no problem dumping his gangsta butt if he does something stupid. As long as that's the case then this is a deal with lot's of upside and little downside.

But if the Cowboys go into next season without a real option other than pacman in nickle packages, then I don't like the deal.

[ty]

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Now trade 22 and 28 to move up to get McFadden.

I'd rather trade for Roy Williams =/

[fluid.forty.one]

"awah awah awah awah"

[ty]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

"awah awah awah awah"

Swami loves Pacman.

[dalmations202]

I am not sure the "real" price for RWilliams or DMac.

I'd love to see them get both, and still get a CB in the top 3 rounds. Not sure about the price though, as everyone seems to be posturing.

Pacman here, draft another CB anyway (farily high -- 1st 3 rounds).
DMac -- not sure what it will take to get him -- forget the "old" chart. I like Ray Rice in the 2nd, if they can't get DMac.
R(UT) -- 2nd rounder plus defensive player -- 1st rounder -- (2) 1st rounders: I've heard it all, and have no idea what it would really cost. I'd like to see him in a star Uni though. Wouldn't hurt my feelings if they figured out how to get LSweed as well..... and I am not a huge cow fan -- I just like these two receivers.

IMO, Draft either Bryant or Okam to solidify the DL.
Wouldn't might seeing a FB later in the draft.
Late picks on projects with huge upsides.

Jerry has this team set up well enough that he should be smiling.

[ty]

Imagine raising the Superbowl banner for the first game in the new stadium. Imagine it.

[GuerillaBlack]

Originally Posted by ty

Imagine raising the Superbowl banner for the first game in the new stadium. Imagine it.

Still imagining...

I'm just hella confused right now. No other team wanted to touch Pacman with a 10-foot pole, but Jerry (as always) gambles with the thugs (yes Pacman is one). Let's see if Pacman can keep is act together in the (said) strip club capitol of America. I doubt it... Just like Tony was making out with Jessica Simpson instead of reading game film, Pacman will be making it rain in Downtown Dallas.

[DirkFTW]

Gesundheit, gorilla!

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Let's just pray that Pacman is reinstated. I don't give a crap what kind of person the guy is, so long as he plays good football. And I will assume that if he's on the field he's going to play very good football.

As for the draft...I hear that the Cowboys prefer Stewart to Felix Jones, but my pants are twitching a bit for Jones. I guess I'll be happy with either. Though, I am also interested in a move up to 12 (with Denver) or similar if Mendenhall can be gotten.

As an Oregon Ducks fan since birth, I'm pulling for Stewart. That's not a knock on Jones, however.

[dirno2000]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Jerry Jones: The New Milennuium Edition of Al Davis

Will the Cowboys become the next decade's Raiders?

Zero respect for that franchise now with this move.

How much respect did you have for the franchise when they passed on Randy Moss because I'm here to tell you...that sucked.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by dirno2000

How much respect did you have for the franchise when they passed on Randy Moss because I'm here to tell you...that sucked.

Unless they could've pulled in Brady too, I'm not sure it sucked that bad.

[dirno2000]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Unless they could've pulled in Brady too, I'm not sure it sucked that bad.

What? Are you a Cowboy fan or just a guy that likes to take moral stands?

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Unless they could've pulled in Brady too, I'm not sure it sucked that bad.

Brady didn't make Randy Moss.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Jerry Jones: The New Milennuium Edition of Al Davis

Will the Cowboys become the next decade's Raiders?

Zero respect for that franchise now with this move.

You've got to be kidding me. You lose respect for a team because of the addition of one player? You can't be serious. Everyone deserves a second chance and you must either be a bandwagon fan or have amnesia because clearly you forgot how bad this team was in the 90's. And what exactly has Pac man done that is so bad? Makin' it rain in the strip club? I'm not sure if people even understand how minor his actions were. His biggest mistakes were hanging around the wrong company.

[Darth Ape]

I think making it rain is an indication of positive virtues. Pacman's penchant for generosity will be well appreciated by his teamates.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by dirno2000

What? Are you a Cowboy fan or just a guy that likes to take moral stands?

Neither. You?

Do you think this was an altruistic decision by Jerry Jones who's just trying to give a(nother) poor, misunderstood young athlete a break?

Or is he trying to get a deal on the cheap by taking on another poor, misunderstood young athlete whose career is in the toilet?

Altruist or opportunist?

Taking on a bunch of thug punks with a soft, spineless tub of goo like Wade Phillips "in charge" is not a smart gamble.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Neither. You?

Do you think this was an altruistic decision by Jerry Jones who's just trying to give a(nother) poor, misunderstood young athlete a break?

Or is he trying to get a deal on the cheap by taking on another poor, misunderstood young athlete whose career is in the toilet?

Altruist or opportunist?

Umm, it's 100% opportunist.

And what is the problem with that?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Neither. You?

Do you think this was an altruistic decision by Jerry Jones who's just trying to give a(nother) poor, misunderstood young athlete a break?

Or is he trying to get a deal on the cheap by taking on another poor, misunderstood young athlete whose career is in the toilet?

Altruist or opportunist?

Taking on a bunch of thug punks with a soft, spineless tub of goo like Wade Phillips "in charge" is not a smart gamble.

Tank Johnson has responded well to Wade Phillips - maybe if you watched the Cowboys, you'd understand that they're VERY successful at turning around troubled players' careers/lives... Hell, T.O. even respects that "spineless tub of goo", so he must be doing something right...

[dirno2000]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Neither. You?

Do you think this was an altruistic decision by Jerry Jones who's just trying to give a(nother) poor, misunderstood young athlete a break?

Or is he trying to get a deal on the cheap by taking on another poor, misunderstood young athlete whose career is in the toilet?

Altruist or opportunist?

Taking on a bunch of thug punks with a soft, spineless tub of goo like Wade Phillips "in charge" is not a smart gamble.

Back 98' Jones passed on Randy Moss in the draft and cost the team the chance to make one last Super Bowl run. We could have paired him with Aikman who still had somethig left in the tank and Irvin who was still playing at a high level and had one of the most explosive offenses in the NFL. It's a move that still haunts him.

As for your question, Jerry's making the trade becasue he wants to win. I have no problem wth that.

And the chance to get one of the most explosive players in the league for a 4th rounder is a great gamble. What exactly do you think he's going to do, shank Wade Phillips in the shower? He's not a divisive locker room guy and if he gets arrested again he's gone and we move on.

[chumdawg]

shank Wade Phillips in the shower...lol

[alby]

you can't treat the Pillsbury Doughboy like that!