04-30-2008, 08:54 AM
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After-loss party drew Avery’s ire
I HATE JOSH HOWARD. This was the reason for the canceled practice.
http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/story/613223.html
After-loss party drew Avery’s ire
By JEFF CAPLAN
jcaplan@star-telegram.com
NEW ORLEANS — A late-night party to celebrate Josh Howard’s 28th birthday after Sunday’s Game 4 loss turned Dallas Mavericks coach Avery Johnson livid and led him to cancel Monday’s practice, two sources confirmed.
Johnson, who stressed no partying during the series, was informed before Monday’s scheduled practice that Howard handed out fliers to teammates in the locker room before Game 4, inviting them to his party at a Dallas nightclub.
The two sources differed on how many players attended, either three or four, including Howard. Which players attended is unclear, although the majority of the team did not.
Upon learning of the party, the sources said, Johnson entered the locker room and asked the players who attended to stand up. Infuriated, Johnson lit into his team and then called off practice. He told the team they’d meet on the flight to New Orleans.
After Johnson called off the practice, the team then chose to conduct a players-only practice, an odd occurrence, especially the day before an elimination playoff game. Players were unavailable for comment Monday, but at Tuesday’s shoot-around several players claimed nothing out of the ordinary about the circumstances that led to the coach-free practice session.
Howard declined to comment after the Hornets ended the Mavs’ season Tuesday. He sat at his locker, at times with his head in his hands.
“I’ll keep that to myself,” Howard said when asked about his emotions as he sat facing his locker.
The 6-foot-7, fifth-year forward had a forgettable series on and off the court. He finished the five games making just 21 of 72 shots (29.2 percent. He had 12 points in Game 5 and averaged 12.6 points in the series.
After committing a turnover that led to a Jannero Pargo layup and a 78-66 Hornets lead with 9:08 left in Tuesday’s finale, Johnson removed Howard and never put him back into the game. Howard, his arms folded, stood by the bench with his teammates as Devean George stepped in and helped lead a rally that pushed the Mavs to within three points with 33.2 seconds to play.
The Mavs franchise will likely go into the off-season wondering about Howard’s decision-making ability. Hours before Game 3 he caused a stir when he volunteered information about his off-season marijuana use on the radio.
Dirk Nowitzki said the distractions probably did catch up with the team in the end.
Johnson had attempted to keep the ordeal under wraps Monday during a media session in the lobby of the team’s New Orleans hotel as well as Tuesday after the team’s morning shoot-around.
Both times he clearly didn’t seem happy with the situation, but he didn’t divulge more than saying that he had intended to hold a practice, but that “something happened,” and he decided to call it off.
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04-30-2008, 08:58 AM
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FIRE EVERYONE!!!
(except Dirk)
(and especially Champ)
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your team loses. That proves you love winning more. That's how it works.
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04-30-2008, 09:09 AM
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I respect Avery (and his decision to not have guys partying), but man did he lose his players and their respect. How about, instead of cancelling practice, you bench the guys, for at least the first quarter. i'd rather lose with respect than have my players going behind my back like that.
what's even more sad is how these guys felt like they should be at a party after losing game 4 ON THEIR HOME COURT.
And the fact that howard was handing out flyers before the game speaks VOLUMES about his mental preparation (or lack thereof).
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04-30-2008, 09:12 AM
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How sad, just totally sad...
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04-30-2008, 09:13 AM
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Chum was so, so right on Howard.
He has arrived. He is now satisfied. He is now like so many other NBA players, he tries fairly hard, but it's a job to him, and he doesn't get emotionaly involved like someone like Dirk.
Winning game 4 would be nice, but in the end it probably just doesn't matter that much to him.
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04-30-2008, 09:14 AM
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This just in, a source in the club has sent me the list of who attended the party:
Josh Howard
Antoine Wright
Juwan Howard
and Jamal Magliore
Last edited by birdsanctuary; 04-30-2008 at 09:15 AM.
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04-30-2008, 09:16 AM
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ha ha, if that's actually who went, then my idea of benching guys for the first quarter would have had no effect at all!
well, except for howard.
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04-30-2008, 09:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jthig32
but in the end it probably just doesn't matter that much to him.
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are you kidding?? It means he can get his bowl out more often!!!
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04-30-2008, 09:17 AM
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At least he was keeping it real.
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04-30-2008, 09:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by birdsanctuary
This just in, a source in the club has sent me the list of who attended the party:
Josh Howard
Antoine Wright
Juwan Howard
and Jamal Magliore
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my source in the club just emailed me that Paul Westphal loves grilled cheese and banana sandwiches....and that he was invited to Josh's party but stayed home to make sandwiches.
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ok, we've talked about the problem of evil, and the extent of the atonement's application, but my real question to you is, "Could Jesus dunk?"
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04-30-2008, 09:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jthig32
Chum was so, so right on Howard.
He has arrived. He is now satisfied. He is now like so many other NBA players, he tries fairly hard, but it's a job to him, and he doesn't get emotionaly involved like someone like Dirk.
Winning game 4 would be nice, but in the end it probably just doesn't matter that much to him.
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HOW? How can people be like that?
I'm sorry to get out my hockey stick and beat you guys over the head with it some more, but I've never heard of a thing like that in hockey. There's no partying....hell, after a regular season loss, they say the plane is so quiet and awkward it's almost unbearable.
I don't think anyone is like that in the NFL either...or at least most of them.
But you hear this about basketball players far more often, and I just don't understand. How can you not be emotionally involved?
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04-30-2008, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Flacolaco
HOW? How can people be like that?
I'm sorry to get out my hockey stick and beat you guys over the head with it some more, but I've never heard of a thing like that in hockey. There's no partying....hell, after a regular season loss, they say the plane is so quiet and awkward it's almost unbearable.
I don't think anyone is like that in the NFL either...or at least most of them.
But you hear this about basketball players far more often, and I just don't understand. How can you not be emotionally involved?
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because for many...its really all about stacking that paper...winning is nice...but it certainly isn't everything in this NBA.
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04-30-2008, 09:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flacolaco
HOW? How can people be like that?
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But you hear this about basketball players far more often, and I just don't understand. How can you not be emotionally involved?
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Seriously... what an absolute gift to be making an unbelievable living at something you love to do... and there's no passion involved?
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04-30-2008, 09:31 AM
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This was the theme song at Josh Howard's party...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWMIX...eature=related
Josh was right guys.....the clouds are little and fluffy....you just don't know....
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04-30-2008, 09:41 AM
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That's why I hate the NBA's guaranteed contracts. Dudes get signed a nice deal and then rest on their laurels.
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04-30-2008, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by TripleDipping
That's why I hate the NBA's guaranteed contracts. Dudes get signed a nice deal and then rest on their laurels.
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It's easier to sell The Dream that way...
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These days being a fan is a competition to see who can be the most upset when
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04-30-2008, 10:45 AM
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Howard is immature. I'm so disgusted with him and his attitude this season. Can you imagine Dirk partying after a loss?
I wish AJ could have made his point in another way. The players clearly need some practice.
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04-30-2008, 12:03 PM
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Screw Howard. I would HATE him if I were Dirk...
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04-30-2008, 12:06 PM
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Move Avery and Move Josh...bring in Mike Miller or Corey Maggette and both if at all humanly possible.
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ok, we've talked about the problem of evil, and the extent of the atonement's application, but my real question to you is, "Could Jesus dunk?"
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04-30-2008, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sike
Move Avery and Move Josh...bring in Mike Miller or Corey Maggette and both if at all humanly possible.
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and add to that....what are people saying about Brand's availability?
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ok, we've talked about the problem of evil, and the extent of the atonement's application, but my real question to you is, "Could Jesus dunk?"
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04-30-2008, 12:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sike
Move Avery and Move Josh...bring in Mike Miller or Corey Maggette and both if at all humanly possible.
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what'll it take now to get what we could have gotten last year for just Josh?
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04-30-2008, 12:17 PM
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Disappointing:
- Josh doesn't care.
- Johnson lost control of the team.
- Teammates went along.
- Teammates didn't tell Josh to shut up (Jason, Dirk) or even beat his ass (Stack) while he solicited teammates.
This is sucky.
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04-30-2008, 12:21 PM
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Well, we don't really know what was said behind closed doors...
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04-30-2008, 12:53 PM
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Nice job Avery, cancel a practice because they were partying. You probably gave those that went exactly what they wanted, a day off to recover.
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04-30-2008, 12:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin
what'll it take now to get what we could have gotten last year for just Josh?
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nothing short of getting another team's headcase....or waiting until the deadline after Josh has pulled his head out...
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ok, we've talked about the problem of evil, and the extent of the atonement's application, but my real question to you is, "Could Jesus dunk?"
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04-30-2008, 01:32 PM
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i think some of us are over reacting and putting words in other peoples mouths. Why don't some of you get the facts before screaming for the mavs to trade Josh Howard.
Now that Avery is gone. Lets regroup.
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04-30-2008, 01:56 PM
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If this is true, put me in the bandwagon to move J-Ho out of here. He doesn't give a shit. I don't wanna root for someone who doesn't give a shit.
Heck, I get emotionally involved in a freaking racquetball game...... and it in no way has anything to do with my livelihood. Why can't someone who has worked all his life on this, getting paid a fortune to do it, do the same? How does a player go from an All-Star to this in 1 short year?
Then again, hindsight is 20/20. No one would reasonably want to move him last summer. Who could have known he'd turn into such a difficult player to root for?
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04-30-2008, 02:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flacolaco
But you hear this about basketball players far more often, and I just don't understand. How can you not be emotionally involved?
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Because they have played so many games over the years that the games run together and lose importance. Years of camps, select ball, high school ball, college ball, and so on.
Baseball players have the same problem
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04-30-2008, 02:24 PM
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i would hope they would be able to tell the difference between high school ball and the freakin' NBA playoffs.
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04-30-2008, 04:02 PM
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I think the team has to keep each other accountable, Dirk should have said something, get on his cell, ask to meet JHO behind closed doors and tell him to cancel it. JHo is fricking 28 years old, he should no better, I think he's fallen off the Mavs wagon, get him out of here. If we can sniff a shooter like Miller or Redd with Howard as the main trade bait, do it. Figure out what to do with Terry later. Cuban has to use his MLE duirng the summer, rather than save it for a midseason pickup. I read somewhere that teams picking a free agent after clearing waivers, don't do jack to improving the team. Get everyone in camp, get the system going both ways, then let it fly. Dirk and Kidd is a good start, Bass, Damp if used properly are not bad at their positions. Players will succeed in their role, Stack should be the 6th man slasher, not a starter, Terry should be a shooter, must use brush screens and create his own spacing to allow Kidd to pinpoint a pass and get Terry to fire up a shot.
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04-30-2008, 07:27 PM
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reall sad news~
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04-30-2008, 09:09 PM
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josh howard is a bone head.
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04-30-2008, 09:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MFFL
Because they have played so many games over the years that the games run together and lose importance. Years of camps, select ball, high school ball, college ball, and so on.
Baseball players have the same problem
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dont that apply to hockey as well
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05-01-2008, 12:37 AM
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too many effin wasted opportunities...this team is killing its fans.
one year, dirk plays like a chump because of off-court issues
the next year, josh howard wants to party and smoke weed and quits on the team. Who is next? Dampier??
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05-01-2008, 12:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kidd Karma
Stack should be the 6th man slasher, not a starter.
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I thought he should retire...
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05-01-2008, 01:06 AM
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Lets look forward to the new era. Obviously it looks like avery was not too much at fault but the problem may be with avery being too attached to the players. I think someone like riley can solve this issue but would a coach like Riley want to work with Cuban? I think cuban is going the same direction as Jones. However, Jones actually fired superbowl winning coaches as opposed to cuban. I do see a pattern though of 3 years and gone attitude. I hope it all works out good in the end for mavs. I will always be a mavs Fan and I am terribly disappointed by what Josh Howard did but would say potheads do not know what they are doing. They think they can be okay when time comes and produce on the court. Unfortunately Josh has not proven himself to be a game changing player and all he has done is acted like a dude who is immature. He has lot of talent and unfortunately he has no idea how much we depended on him for offense and defense. Sorry Josh to be critical on you but if avery gets fired you need to be let go somehow even if we get a second round draft pick.
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