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dude1394 · 07-13-2008, 09:45 PM

Pretty funny coming from a liberal magazine like the New Yorker. If I understand correctly the story inside is about as flattering as the cover.

Maybe that FISA, Public Financing, Iraq waffling has po'd the left off but good. If Barack Hussein Obama loses the left media, he will be toast.

http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/...es2/021623.php

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And here's more on, you know, the actual story about Obama. I suspect they'd rather talk about the cover. "Ryan Lizza continues on to tell the whole story of his rise in politics, and those he ran over to get there:"

STILL MORE: "The Reisistible Rise of Barack Obama." "Lizza's article coincidentally demonstrates that Obama's grandiosity is a quality that can be traced through his years in Chicago. The entire article is worth reading. . . . In this very long article, Obama's assessment of Bob Dole is one conspicuous item. In Obama's view, Dole had already risen to become one of the most powerful men in the country as Senate Majority Leader when he chose to run for president against Bill Clinton. By Obama's reckoning, Dole's age and eminence told against him. For Obama, on the other hand, seeking the presidency of the United States is a career move that logically fulfills the destiny foretold by his election to the presidency of the Harvard Law Review."

Evilmav2 · 07-14-2008, 01:02 AM

Vero Possumus

GuerillaBlack · 07-14-2008, 02:17 AM

You just know what those people in places like West Virginia are saying now...

"YOU SEEE, YOU SEE!!! TEH REPUBLICANS WERE RIGHT!!! TEH DEMOCRATS ARE NOW SEEING HIM FOR WHO HE REALLY IS!!! BALACK SADDAM OSAMABAMA!!"

dude1394 · 07-14-2008, 02:33 AM

BALACK SADDAM OSAMABAMA

Hey that's pretty good, did you make that one up or is it being used somewhere? The "balack" part is especially cute.

dude1394 · 07-14-2008, 02:52 AM

From the article inside. Balack Saddam Obamasama's response to 9/11.

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We must also engage, however, in the more difficult task of understanding the sources of such madness. The essence of this tragedy, it seems to me, derives from a fundamental absence of empathy on the part of the attackers: an inability to imagine, or connect with, the humanity and suffering of others. Such a failure of empathy, such numbness to the pain of a child or the desperation of a parent, is not innate; nor, history tells us, is it unique to a particular culture, religion, or ethnicity. It may find expression in a particular brand of violence, and may be channeled by particular demagogues or fanatics. Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.

We will have to make sure, despite our rage, that any U.S. military action takes into account the lives of innocent civilians abroad. We will have to be unwavering in opposing bigotry or discrimination directed against neighbors and friends of Middle Eastern descent. Finally, we will have to devote far more attention to the monumental task of raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the globe—children not just in the Middle East, but also in Africa, Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe and within our own shores.

And if they do not stop we will send them a very,very sternly worded letter, telling them how unhappy we are!!!

Evilmav2 · 07-14-2008, 02:57 AM

Allahu Possumus Obama! AIYAIYAIYAIYAIIIII!!!

wmbwinn · 07-14-2008, 07:12 PM

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/o...mo_code=65E9-1

Obama is pissed off about this....

I think it is a typical cartoon. But, it apparently is quite offensive. Same say its racist.

Laugh at Chris Rock. Scream in anger at the New Yorker (a very liberal paper that is pissed off with Obama's "Flip Flops" on Iraq).

If Chris Rock did this, everyone would laugh. Chris Rock's content is 100% similar/same.

dude1394 · 07-14-2008, 07:20 PM

when he's called hitler he can get back to me. Boo Hoo Hoo...

Maybe he'll write them a stern letter.

wmbwinn · 07-14-2008, 08:45 PM

No, he expects the cartoon to be retracted and a lengthy apology to follow. Reminder:

Allow me to summarize the rules:

We should vote for candidates irrespective of their race and/or gender. However, if the candidate is black and liberal, a vote against him or her is racist. If the candidate is female and liberal, a vote against her is sexist. If the candidate is conservative, regardless of race and/or gender, a vote against him or her is a matter of principle. -Pat Sajak

Flacolaco · 07-14-2008, 11:34 PM

Why is he fist bumping Whitney Houston?

GuerillaBlack · 07-15-2008, 05:41 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_112877.html

A New Yorker Cover For National Review
July 15, 2008 02:30 PM

Of course, all things are relative. I would imagine that there are many readers of the National Review who would likely get exercised over this, get offended, and question whether the magazine was doing all it could to ensure a conservative stays in the White House. But then again, McCain isn't a Republican candidate who has a significant, invested fan base among conservatives, so it's just as likely that many readers would shrug and say, "Yep. That about covers it."

In any event, while I think Horsey does a brilliant job in covering the same ground as Barry Blitt, this imagined cover fails in the exact same way as the real cover of the New Yorker, in that it does not actually satirize stereotypes or criticize those who trade in them.

dude1394 · 07-15-2008, 08:19 PM

Crap...can't make fun of Barack Hussein Obama via political carton and the comedians can't make fun of him either. Sajak was certainly correct.

His race-card pre-emptive strike was genious, disgusting but genious.

http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=12859

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Today’s New York Times follows up on yeterday’s kerfuffle over the New Yorker cover satirizing various attacks on Barack and Michelle Obama by noticing the near total lack of jokes about Barack Obama on television:

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Comedy has been no easier for the phalanx of late-night television hosts who depend on skewering political leaders for a healthy quotient of their nightly monologues. Jay Leno, David Letterman, Conan O’Brien and others have delivered a nightly stream of jokes about the Republican running for president — each one a variant on the same theme: John McCain is old.

But there has been little humor about Mr. Obama: about his age, his speaking ability, his intelligence, his family, his physique…

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Why? The reason cited by most of those involved in the shows is that a fundamental factor is so far missing in Mr. Obama: There is no comedic “take” on him, nothing easy to turn to for an easy laugh, like allegations of Bill Clinton’s womanizing, or President Bush’s goofy bumbling or Al Gore’s robotic persona.

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“The thing is, he’s not buffoonish in any way,” said Mike Barry, who started writing political jokes for Johnny Carson’s monologues in the waning days of the Johnson administration and has lambasted every presidential candidate since, most recently for Mr. Letterman. “He’s not a comical figure,” Mr. Barry said.

It is not clear to me that McCain is a comical figure in that sense, which has not stopped them from hammering home the political liability of his age. The joke of the NYT piece is the notion that a professional comedian could not come up with jokes about Obama’s inexperience, his silly gaffes, his resemblance to Urkel, how dorky he looks riding a bike with a flat tire, his hubris (e.g., the Obama Presidential seal), or even that he says nothing about the cult that applauds when he blows his nose.

Of course, the mask eventually slips among those quoted in the article. One wants to cut him slack as the “fresh face” (instead of seeing it as a comic target). Mike Barry admits a political bias: “I think some of us were maybe too quick to caricature Al Gore and John Kerry and there’s maybe some reluctance to do the same thing to him.”

And ultimately, there is the issue of race — a particular unease, particularly among white comedians and writers, of running afoul of political decorum, as though that doesn’t kill comedy in the cradle.

Thus, we arrive where we left off with yesterday’s discussion of the New Yorker kerfuffle, with regular pw commenter happyfeet noting:

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New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an independent who has supported Obama’s fight to debunk the rumors, said even humorists need to be careful.

“We all have to watch very carefully what we say - our attempts at humor, our attempts at informing people - because some of what we say can be misinterpreted and do real damage,” he said.*

The comment prompted our host Jeff G to reply:

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See? This is completely ass-backward. We don’t need to watch our attempts at humor. We have to police our ideas concerning interpretation.

Unfortunately, the former is the easier of the two to scold about. So naturally, lazy fucks like Bloomberg go that route.

Completely at odds with we want, however. Frankly, it was refreshing to hear a few liberals say as much today. But then, they were circling the wagons around one of their own.

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wmbwinn · 07-15-2008, 08:24 PM

Pat Sajak was absolutely correct. Any attempt at humor immediately is rascist. Any derogatory comment is rascist. Any criticism is rascist or at least class warfare material.

It is crazy.

If you want to run for president, then you better have balls of steel and be able to bear the criticism without crying.

wmbwinn · 07-15-2008, 08:25 PM

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Why is he fist bumping Whitney Houston?

chumdawg · 07-15-2008, 09:51 PM

Didn't McCain himself go on SNL and make a pre-emptive strike against the age humor against him?

For that matter, SNL has lampooned Obama well enough. Do you not remember the skit where he called Clinton asking for her advice on national affairs, figuratively sporting a diaper while literally chain smoking cigarettes?

If we are going to tell the story, let's tell the whole story.

Geez, it's like anti-race-card crowd is ENDORSING jokes about his race. This is a very, very careful line everyone is walking here. Either nothing is racial and we can't figure out why that is, or everything is racial but we can't figure out how to sneak it in.

dude1394 · 07-15-2008, 10:20 PM

It's obvious who the racists are in this discussion. Blacks.

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Some interesting stuff in a new New York Times poll focused on the issues of race and politics. In the headline, John McCain leads Barack Obama among whites, 46 percent to 37 percent. Obama leads among blacks, 89-2. Obama leads among Hispanics, 62-23. Seventy-two percent of black respondents say they think Obama will win in November, while 50 percent of whites say Obama will win.

chumdawg · 07-15-2008, 10:35 PM

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It's obvious who the racists are in this discussion. Blacks.

There is a slight problem with your argument, brutha. That is, blacks have historically voted Democrat in overwhelming numbers. I think it's something like 5-to-1 Democrat, which is roughly 83%. And this is talking about voting for white candidates.

Voting 83% for a white Democratic candidate (verified) versus voting 89% for a black Democratic candidate (polling measure) is miles away from "obvious" proof of racism.

You need to study up, dude, before you start throwing out charges of obvious racism. The only one who looks racist is you.

dude1394 · 07-15-2008, 10:39 PM

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There is a slight problem with your argument, brutha. That is, blacks have historically voted Democrat in overwhelming numbers. I think it's something like 5-to-1 Democrat, which is roughly 83%. And this is talking about voting for white candidates.

Voting 83% for a white Democratic candidate (verified) versus voting 89% for a black Democratic candidate (polling measure) is miles away from "obvious" proof of racism.

You need to study up, dude, before you start throwing out charges of obvious racism. The only one who looks racist is you.

If a white candidate was polling 89-2 over a black mainstream candidate, I'd call them racist as well and they would be.

dude1394 · 07-15-2008, 10:40 PM

So do you think Barack Hussein Obama is calling on his homies to threaten any other magazines that dare diss him?

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CHICAGO (AP) - Democrat Barack Obama said Tuesday that the New Yorker magazine's satirical cover depicting him and his wife as flag-burning, fist-bumping radicals doesn't bother him but that it was an insult to Muslim Americans.

chumdawg · 07-15-2008, 10:57 PM

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If a white candidate was polling 89-2 over a black mainstream candidate, I'd call them racist as well and they would be.

Something tells me you wouldn't, really, but still...

You are falling victim here to a logical fallacy, and/or an underappreciation of how voting works in this country and has worked for a long time.

For example, you readily bet me twenty bucks that Texas would vote Republican this year. Probably a smart bet on your part (but we'll see). What did you go on? Did you think that Texans would objectively look at the candidates and choose one specific guy because he's the guy who obviously deserves to be voted for? No, you didn't. If I'm not mistaken, the Republicans didn't even have a guy at the time we placed our bet. What you bet on was your assumption that Texans would vote Republican no matter who the candidates were.

In that case you showed some understanding of how voting works. But now, when you see a stat that says 89% of blacks are voting Obama, you call blacks racist. Blacks vote Democrat at 80%+, and you should know that. (You know that Texans vote Republican at a high clip.) But you want to rhetorically present a poll that says 89% of blacks are voting Obama as evidence that they are racist? You fail here. Let's see. Blacks vote for white Democrats 83% of the time (verifiable), and for Obama, a black Democrat, 89% of the time (a poll number)...and you can call blacks racist?

Obviously you have an agenda, but you aren't using your rhetoric very well to advance it.

Why were you so confident that Texans would vote Republican in this election, without even knowing who the Republican candidate would be? Are you confident that Texans just won't vote for a black candidate, regardless the situation? If so, who's the racist? Texas voters? You, who made the bet? Or, nobody?

dude1394 · 07-15-2008, 11:04 PM

So let's see what was the percentages in the democrat primary?

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Even so, roughly 70 percent of Michigan’s African-American voters — a group that makes up a quarter of Michigan’s Democratic electorate — did not cast their votes for Clinton, choosing the “uncommitted” option instead. Yet these voters weren’t uncommitted at all: in fact, according to CNN exit polls, they overwhelmingly favored Barack Obama, whose name did not appear on the ballot.

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Blacks accounted for a majority of voters in South Carolina, 55 percent -- the highest turnout among African-Americans in any Democratic presidential primary for which data are available. And a huge proportion of them, 78 percent, supported Obama, compared with 19 percent for Hillary Clinton and just 2 percent for John Edwards.

You tell me...Clinton is CERTAINLY a viable candidate and NOT republican.

chumdawg · 07-15-2008, 11:18 PM

So...30% of blacks in Michigan and 22% of blacks in South Carolina didn't vote for Obama?

And this despite the notion that Obama is/was the first serious black candidate for presidential office?

Are you suggesting that what you should have said is that something like two-thirds of blacks are racist? You know, rather than "We know who is racist here. Blacks."

But of course, that in itself is a grand oversimplification. It could be there were black Democrats who really disliked Obama (you know, because he's Muslim and all) but just couldn't come around to the idea of voting for Hillary.

What we really need to figure out is how many blacks in Michigan and South Carolina voted for Obama instead of Hillary just because Obama is black (because they are racist, as you claimed). That would be a delicate calculus. After all, a lot of white people voted for Obama instead of Hillary, else he wouldn't be the Dem candidate. Were they being racist, as you suggest, or were they voting just like those white folks did?

dude1394 · 07-15-2008, 11:21 PM

So obama is claiming that he will not be voted for because he is black. Hmmm...but when you look at his numbers the overwhelming race that votes their heritage is black, suggesting strongly that when it comes to voting based on race, he's got the wrong race.

chumdawg · 07-15-2008, 11:38 PM

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So obama is claiming that he will not be voted for because he is black. Hmmm...but when you look at his numbers the overwhelming race that votes their heritage is black, suggesting strongly that when it comes to voting based on race, he's got the wrong race.

Come again? He's "got the wrong race"? What does this even mean?

Of course he has the advantage when it comes to black voters because he is black. I hope that is not a shocking revelation to you. You know how candidates sometimes factor their VP picks based on whether they can help them carry a specific state? Same thing. Texans will vote for Texans, everything else being equal. Blacks will vote for blacks, everything else being equal. Whites will vote for whites, everything else being equal.

Pro-lifers will vote Republican, whether everything else is equal or not. The religious right will vote Republican, whether everything else is equal or not. Liberals will vote Democrat, everything else being equal or not.

This stuff has been pretty well established over a long period of time. I can't imagine why it is suddenly curious to you.

dude1394 · 07-15-2008, 11:42 PM

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Come again? He's "got the wrong race"? What does this even mean?

Wrong race in which "race" will use race as their reason for voting.

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I can't imagine why it is suddenly curious to you.

Because I now have a race-monger running for prez.

chumdawg · 07-16-2008, 12:04 AM

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Because I now have a race-monger running for prez.

Race-monger? Obama is a race-monger?

Look, I follow politics at least as much as you do. And I've watched Obama from the beginning. It was never about race with Obama. It was NEVER about race. Take a Jesse Jackson, and yes, it was about race. Not so with Obama.

Obama is miles removed from a "race-monger." He doesn't need it, and he certainly doesn't ask for it.

What is happening is that hard-core right-wingers such as you are desperately seeking ways in which to frame him that will appeal to your constituency. You know what? I'm not fond of your constituency. Your constituency wants to paint Obama as a black man who is running on the basis that he is a black man. That's all he's got, you say, that he's black. And you hate that very much.

You go on ahead with thinking that black people are everything wrong with our society, because they cause all the crime and there is nothing we can do about that, because they are indeed black. You go on with thinking that abortion is destroying our society and the only people who go for abortions are Democrats. You go on with thinking that the only people who don't support the war in Iraq are Democrats.

You go on toeing the party line, like so many lemmings in order. It's good that you checked your conscience at the door, else you could't look yourself in the face in the morning.

rabbitproof · 07-16-2008, 12:46 AM

Holy crap, Chum. Swinging with the righteousness...

chumdawg · 07-16-2008, 12:53 AM

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Holy crap, Chum. Swinging with the righteousness...

What, is that a bigger stick than claiming that a black guy is only in the mix because he's black?

rabbitproof · 07-16-2008, 01:09 AM

Not sure which stick is bigger but it's the stick I'm looking for.

Obama's detractors bring up Obama's race or ethnicity or religion far more frequently than his supporters and it's easy to see why, because they're subjects which shouldn't mean anything when we're trying to determine who is the best candidate for the job of being President of the USA.

Evilmav2 · 07-16-2008, 01:13 AM

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Holy crap, Chum. Swinging with the righteousness...

Swinging hard and landing most of em' honest, is what I'd say...

But more to the point, I'd say that by virtue of the unchangeable nature of Obama's ethnicity, there's just no way he or his campaign could ever hope to avoid the subject of that race coloring this election, but for the most part I don't believe that up to this point of the campaign he has strongly cultivated that kind of talk, even with the vast majority of the nation's media acting as gross adjuncts to his campaign. So as much as I personally dislike Obama for reasons of political philosophy as well as doubts about his character and experience, I still find it difficult at present to fault or slur him as a 'race-monger', and as things stand today, I'd say that regardless of whatever other faults the fella might have, that specific label is probably quite unfair to the young emeer, who came down to us all by way of Chicago, Kenya, and Indonesia...

DirkFTW · 07-16-2008, 12:58 PM

Jon Stewart is awesome. IT'S A &%#&*& CARTOON!

1:55 on is priceless!

Usually Lurkin · 07-16-2008, 03:50 PM

Obama Releases List of Approved Jokes About Himself
Bid to Help Late Night Comics

Saying he is "sympathetic to late night comedians' struggle to find jokes to make about me," Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill) today issued a list of official campaign-approved Barack Obama jokes.

The five jokes, which Sen. Obama said he is making available to all comedians free of charge, are as follows:

Barack Obama and a kangaroo pull up to a gas station. The gas station attendant takes one look at the kangaroo and says, "You know, we don't get many kangaroos here." Barack Obama replies, "At these prices, I'm not surprised. That's why we need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil."

A traveling salesman knocks on the door of a farmhouse, and much to his surprise, Barack Obama answers the door. The salesman says, "I was expecting the farmer's daughter." Barack Obama replies, "She's not here. The farm was foreclosed on because of subprime loans that are making a mockery of the American Dream."

A horse walks into a bar. The bartender says, "Why the long face?" Barack Obama replies, "His jockey just lost his health insurance, which should be the right of all Americans."

Q: What's black and white and red all over?
Barack Obama: The New Yorker magazine, which should be embarrassed after publishing such a tasteless and offensive cover, which I reject and denounce.

A Christian, a Jew and Barack Obama are in a rowboat in the middle of the ocean. Barack Obama says, "This joke isn't going to work because there's no Muslim in this boat."

http://borowitzreport.com/

Flacolaco · 07-16-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

Obama Releases List of Approved Jokes About Himself
Bid to Help Late Night Comics

Saying he is "sympathetic to late night comedians' struggle to find jokes to make about me," Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill) today issued a list of official campaign-approved Barack Obama jokes.

The five jokes, which Sen. Obama said he is making available to all comedians free of charge, are as follows:

Barack Obama and a kangaroo pull up to a gas station. The gas station attendant takes one look at the kangaroo and says, "You know, we don't get many kangaroos here." Barack Obama replies, "At these prices, I'm not surprised. That's why we need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil."

A traveling salesman knocks on the door of a farmhouse, and much to his surprise, Barack Obama answers the door. The salesman says, "I was expecting the farmer's daughter." Barack Obama replies, "She's not here. The farm was foreclosed on because of subprime loans that are making a mockery of the American Dream."

A horse walks into a bar. The bartender says, "Why the long face?" Barack Obama replies, "His jockey just lost his health insurance, which should be the right of all Americans."

Q: What's black and white and red all over?
Barack Obama: The New Yorker magazine, which should be embarrassed after publishing such a tasteless and offensive cover, which I reject and denounce.

A Christian, a Jew and Barack Obama are in a rowboat in the middle of the ocean. Barack Obama says, "This joke isn't going to work because there's no Muslim in this boat."

http://borowitzreport.com/

Are the writers still on strike?

GermanDunk · 07-16-2008, 04:13 PM

Ha ! The cover is the header - even over here !

wmbwinn · 07-17-2008, 07:55 AM

Strange stuff.

It appears to me that the "racism" issue SPECIFICALLY in that cartoon is bias against Islamic persons.

Somehow, we have turned this into Black/White racism??

So long as we are talking about the cartoon, there is no Black/White racism.

Now, on a larger stage, there are some who:
1)will vote for Obama because he is black (did not Mormons vote for Romney and Women vote for Hillary?)
2)will vote against Obama because he is black (did not Mormons vote against Hucklebee and Baptists vote against Romney?)

As Chum has said, pointing out the obvious allegiance to race is a statement of the status quo. Is the Status Quo racist? Sure it is. But, it didn't change.
The same holds true for religion and gender.

Underdog · 07-17-2008, 09:13 AM

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So long as we are talking about the cartoon, there is no Black/White racism.

I didn't realize the "knuckle-bump" and large afro were Muslim traits...

DirkFTW · 07-17-2008, 04:23 PM

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I didn't realize the "knuckle-bump" and large afro were Muslim traits...

Terrorist Fist Jab.

wmbwinn · 07-17-2008, 06:03 PM

the satire of the joke is that Obama has backed down on his "run away from war" stance. The satire is that he is going to carry on the war. The Satire is that it is the view of the cartoonist that fighting the war furthers the goals of Al Qaeda by stimulating hatred and recruitment.

Racism was never part of the satire. If the joke is opposed to a race, it is opposed to Islamic groups.

The fact that the cartoonist used the Afro and fist bump is because Obama and his wife are African American.

But, I do not think it is racist.

When they do political cartoons of GW Bush wearing a cowboy hat and boots and spinning a 6 shooter, do we call that racism?

No, it is just a joke at GW Bush. And, generally, the satire or joke has nothing to do with his race or heritage...

I see this as no different.

DirkFTW · 07-18-2008, 04:56 PM

The cover is working... even Dan Rather has been brainwashed.

Dan Rather goofs on Obama's name... badly.

DirkFTW · 07-21-2008, 06:20 PM

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