Mavs want to resign Kidd during the summer...Dont count him out yet - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

quietsavant · 02-22-2009, 05:31 PM

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Kidd looks like a keeper
It seems Jason Kidd will end his NBA career right where it started - in Dallas - according to a league source. Kidd had been the subject of trade rumors this season and is making $21.3 million in the final year of his contract. But the source said the Mavericks and Kidd are happy with their working relationship and the team would like to re-sign him to a more economical extension. The concern for the Mavericks in re-signing the 35-year-old Kidd is making a deal that won't damage their hopes of being a major player in the 2010 free agent market. Kidd would be expected to have a lesser role in the future as the Mavs groom their point guard of the future.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketb...sition/?page=3

looks like we get him for a 2010 friendly contract

jthig32 · 02-22-2009, 06:11 PM

Not sure how this a story.

quietsavant · 02-22-2009, 06:20 PM

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Not sure how this a story.

is

Dtownsfinest · 02-22-2009, 06:23 PM

Not really sure how this is a story either. The fact the Mavs didn't trade his 21 million dollar 1 year contract sort of put a stamp on the fact they'll resign him next season.

MaVs 41 BaLler · 02-22-2009, 06:25 PM

If we resign him in 2010 whats the minimum we can give him?

jthig32 · 02-22-2009, 06:29 PM

I edited the thread title. The original was pretty misleading.

Bayliss · 02-22-2009, 06:30 PM

I miss your sig, JThig. Loved that collage of Kidd.

Dim499 · 02-22-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MaVs 41 BaLler

If we resign him in 2010 whats the minimum we can give him?

Minimum for a 10+ years player is 1.4 mil.

quietsavant · 02-22-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I edited the thread title. The original was pretty misleading.

When stackhouse is a story, the well in mavs land has come up pretty dry. Read it and enjoy Jthig.

Bayliss · 02-22-2009, 06:36 PM

Re-signing Kidd isn't a bad move. But they need to upgrade the SG and 4/5 position badly. Of course that will have to be through a trade because I don't see them signing a big time free agent. Looking at past history, they have never done it. Of course they have never had cap room either. So it is 6 of one half dozen of another.

quietsavant · 02-22-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Re-signing Kidd isn't a bad move. But they need to upgrade the SG and 4/5 position badly. Of course that will have to be through a trade because I don't see them signing a big time free agent. Looking at past history, they have never done it. Of course they have never had cap room either. So it is 6 of one half dozen of another.

any chance of using the MLE on a free agent this summer?

MaVs 41 BaLler · 02-22-2009, 06:38 PM

Well you sign dirk and kidd for 1.4 mil and bring in lebron....
Ohh i can only dream.

Bayliss · 02-22-2009, 06:39 PM

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Well you sign dirk and kidd for 1.4 mil and bring in lebron....
Ohh i can only dream.

Can't have LeBron and his damn nailbitin' on the sidelines.

Windmill360 · 02-22-2009, 06:40 PM

longsufferingmavsfan is on suicide watch.

MaVs 41 BaLler · 02-22-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Can't have LeBron and his damn nailbitin' on the sidelines.

Lmao, they make him do that in Nba 2k9...its pretty funny.

MaVs 41 BaLler · 02-22-2009, 06:48 PM

Wait then what about Nash and his finger licking......
or what about Dirk constantly pulling his jersey up by his shoulder and also him bouncing the ball after each free throw.

What about Rick Carlislie and that squint.

Or Avery with a blue tongue.

Nowitzki4President · 02-22-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MaVs 41 BaLler

Wait then what about Nash and his finger licking......
or what about Dirk constantly pulling his jersey up by his shoulder and also him bouncing the ball after each free throw.

What about Rick Carlislie and that squint.

Or Avery with a blue tongue.

Or Shaq being at the free throw line looking like he just left the Shamu show sitting in the front row.

BGMaverick9 · 02-22-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Re-signing Kidd isn't a bad move. But they need to upgrade the SG and 4/5 position badly. Of course that will have to be through a trade because I don't see them signing a big time free agent. Looking at past history, they have never done it. Of course they have never had cap room either. So it is 6 of one half dozen of another.

I think it depends on what their "gameplan" is for how they wanna look at 2010...they're still in a position of flexibility IMO. They can try to structure things to make it a better/bigger run at that or they have some expiring deals that are about to make themselves better trading chips to bring in some good talent.

There is of course the MLE but I don't know if the Mavs will want to really use that, the early opinion seems to think that won't happen. It might be a 1 year deal for the MLE or something along those lines. I think most teams will probably look to use that route with the MLE, long term deals are probably going to be at a premium. I guess it just depends, maybe using the MLE for 1 year is going to be powerful enough to sign someone because owners will be scared, who knows.

Economy/Salary question for anyone who can answer: Bass would fall in line for the Early-Bird Rule status, wouldn't he? I'm guessing because the economy is scaring owners, that option might not be out of our range. Does using that do anything funky to our cap numbers or is it just as straight forward as it seems?

It's like at the deadline, I don't think we'll need a home-run kind of player, especially at the SG...I'm really starting to believe in what Wright is doing. If we can find some scoring depth next year, that'll be solid. I would say the bigger priority is finding the center.

jthig32 · 02-22-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

I miss your sig, JThig. Loved that collage of Kidd.

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You might want to clear your cache, my sig is back.

chumdawg · 02-22-2009, 08:06 PM

Kidd can't get anything more than the MLE on the open market, can he?

BGMaverick9 · 02-22-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Kidd can't get anything more than the MLE on the open market, can he?

that seems to be something that would work in Dallas' favor, right? I don't think there is a long list of teams that would open the wallet for Kidd. It's not because of talent, it's just because of salary.

chumdawg · 02-22-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

that seems to be something that would work in Dallas' favor, right? I don't think there is a long list of teams that would open the wallet for Kidd. It's not because of talent, it's just because of salary.

Yes, that would work in Dallas's favor. If they do want to keep him, and for the minimum outlay, that is. I mean, there are only so many teams who will be able to offer more than the MLE...and will those teams even be willing to offer it up to Kidd? Maybe they want to sign TWO guys with their cap room, like Cuban thought Phoenix did in 2004. Maybe Detroit wants him, but we don't think they can beat our offer. Maybe we are still dumbshits, like we were with Nash. You just never know. It might actually work against us.

jthig32 · 02-22-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Kidd can't get anything more than the MLE on the open market, can he?

There will be a few teams that have salary cap room, but I imagine if Kidd ends up leaving the Mavs in the offseasons it will be via a sign and trade.

BGMaverick9 · 02-22-2009, 08:14 PM

anyone have a link for 09 FAs?

chumdawg · 02-22-2009, 08:18 PM

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There will be a few teams that have salary cap room, but I imagine if Kidd ends up leaving the Mavs in the offseasons it will be via a sign and trade.

Besides Detroit and OKC, which teams?

Then again, all it takes is one. And for Cuban to horribly misjudge what smart basketball people are doing.

BGMaverick9 · 02-22-2009, 08:21 PM

Would Atlanta or Portland have any cap room?

jthig32 · 02-22-2009, 08:21 PM

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Besides Detroit and OKC, which teams?

Then again, all it takes is one. And for Cuban to horribly misjudge what smart basketball people are doing.

Memphis, Sacramento....maybe a couple others I'm forgetting.

jthig32 · 02-22-2009, 08:22 PM

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Would Atlanta or Portland have any cap room?

Yeah I think Atlanta will.

Portland doesn't now that Miles is back on their cap, I think.

BGMaverick9 · 02-22-2009, 08:23 PM

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anyone have a link for 09 FAs?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...eeAgents-09-10

answered my own question.

anyone see any good options out there for a MLE kind of deal?

jthig32 · 02-22-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...eeAgents-09-10

answered my own question.

anyone see any good options out there for a MLE kind of deal?

Josh Childress intrigues me. Not for the full MLE though.

Artest....Odom....somewhat interesting.

chumdawg · 02-22-2009, 08:33 PM

I think you guys are overestimating who will have cap room.

AxdemxO · 02-22-2009, 08:34 PM

Childress could be an option

Quis : )

grndmstr_c · 02-22-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...eeAgents-09-10

answered my own question.

anyone see any good options out there for a MLE kind of deal?

I think the question you probably have to ask is, are there any MLE options out there who'd be better options than Bass. I'm sort of expecting the Mavs to have to give him an MLE-type deal to keep him, which I'm sure they'd like to do, and while they would still have their MLE available, expecting them to use it while they're upping the payroll by inking Bass to a bigger deal and (hopefully) taking on salary in a Stack trade might be unrealistic.

Edit: just looked through the list. Outside of those who've been mentioned and among the unrestricted crop, Ariza interests me.

chumdawg · 02-22-2009, 08:46 PM

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I think the question you probably have to ask is, are there any MLE options out there who'd be better options than Bass. I'm sort of expecting the Mavs to have to give him an MLE-type deal to keep him, which I'm sure they'd like to do, and while they would still have their MLE available, expecting them to use it while they're upping the payroll by inking Bass to a bigger deal and (hopefully) taking on salary in a Stack trade might be unrealistic.

Edit: just looked through the list. Outside of those who've been mentioned and among the unrestricted crop, Ariza interests me.

If they re-up Bass with an MLE-type deal, why the hell not use the MLE on another player or two...because by then you have abandoned all pretense of having that tooth fairy cap room in '10.

I'm actually looking at the summer of '09 as the place where the shrewd teams make their move.

Tokey41 · 02-22-2009, 09:06 PM

Or he could leave.

grndmstr_c · 02-22-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

If they re-up Bass with an MLE-type deal, why the hell not use the MLE on another player or two...because by then you have abandoned all pretense of having that tooth fairy cap room in '10.

I'm actually looking at the summer of '09 as the place where the shrewd teams make their move.

I agree with all of that, in principle. I just don't know what Cuban's finances actually look like, and I don't know how badly ticket sales are going to get hit by the recession, and those factors obviously affect things.

Dtownsfinest · 02-22-2009, 10:23 PM

So Bass has his bird rights? If not, won't we have to use our mid-level on him?

grndmstr_c · 02-22-2009, 10:34 PM

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So Bass has his bird rights? If not, won't we have to use our mid-level on him?

The Mavs don't have full bird rights, but because Bass has been here for two years they'll be able to go up to the MLE, without actually using the MLE, to re-sign him. Early bird exception or something like that.

Flacolaco · 02-22-2009, 10:37 PM

re-sign
/riˈsaɪn/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ree-sahyn]
–verb (used with object), verb (used without object)
1. to sign again.
2. to renew or extend a contract.

resign
/rɪˈzaɪn/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ri-zahyn]
–verb (used without object)
1. to give up an office or position, often formally (often fol. by from): to resign from the presidency.
2. to submit; yield:

Dirkenstien · 02-22-2009, 11:42 PM

I'm not buying Kidd coming back until he's actually resigned. There will be a few teams out there wanting to make a championship push and they could make a pretty convincing argument. A lot of it may depend on how well we do in the playoffs but I don't think it's sure thing he comes back.