PGT: Mavs let Rockets stick around, somehow steal a win anyway - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Underdog · 03-24-2012, 09:48 PM

- Brandan Wright with a career game of 14 points, 6 rebounds and 7 blocks in 34 minutes.

- JET with an efficient 24 points on 9-16 shooting (2-4 3PM-A), 3 assists and all the heavy lifting in OT.

- Dirk with 31 points on 10-20 shooting, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 blocks and 0 turnovers - great bounce-back after a horrible game in San Antonio...

Nowitzness81 · 03-24-2012, 09:49 PM

Bow down.

mavs777 · 03-24-2012, 09:49 PM

Good road win. Scola got away with 10 travels. Poor job closing the 4rth quarter and OT.

GermanDunk · 03-24-2012, 09:49 PM

OK guys. Grab a Bud !

Underdog · 03-24-2012, 09:50 PM

Too close, but a win is a win...

mavs777 · 03-24-2012, 09:51 PM

Good win, poor job closing the 4rth and OT tho.

Nowitzness81 · 03-24-2012, 09:51 PM

LonghornDub · 03-24-2012, 09:51 PM

Pretty big win, honestly. I obviously wouldn't bet on the Mavs missing the playoffs, but you can't assume anything. Important to win these ones against the other teams in the 4th-9th spots.

twistaeffect2004 · 03-24-2012, 09:52 PM

And now we can breathe.. boy that could've been borderline painful losing that one.

Wright tonight was just awesome. His ability to defend the paint was unreal.

tgfan · 03-24-2012, 09:52 PM

What I want to know is, how is B. Wright playing behind Mahinmi? Wright is a far superior all around basketball player.

Underdog · 03-24-2012, 09:52 PM

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Pretty big win, honestly. I obviously wouldn't bet on the Mavs missing the playoffs, but you can't assume anything. Important to win these ones against the other teams in the 4th-9th spots.

Yessir, now let's get the tie-breaker at home this Tuesday...

FINtastic · 03-24-2012, 09:53 PM

LonghornDub · 03-24-2012, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tgfan

What I want to know is, how is B. Wright playing behind Mahinmi? Wright is a far superior all around basketball player.

If Wright would learn to defend the PnR a bit better, he could get the majority of the center minutes. Haywood would still be needed against the thicker low-post guys, but Wright is the most talented of the three, in my estimation.

Underdog · 03-24-2012, 09:54 PM

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What I want to know is, how is B. Wright playing behind Mahinmi? Wright is a far superior all around basketball player.

Wright 34 minutes, Mahinmi 18 minutes...

Doesn't matter who started, just who played more.

Firnen · 03-24-2012, 09:56 PM

really a great win... but 3 pgt threads? I'll take this one.... Big game by Jet (it was an away game) and Condor; big bounce back from Dirk hitting his usual standart of greatness.

BTW: where did our 3ball go?

JeffViggiano · 03-24-2012, 09:57 PM

thanks Jet and Brendan!!!

dirk passed Shit Charles!good!

GhostFace · 03-24-2012, 09:57 PM

Wright had the game of his life. Jet showed up. Kidd was ballin'.

Dirk is ofc Dirk.

LAMAR WHO?

jthig32 · 03-24-2012, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

If Wright would learn to defend the PnR a bit better, he could get the majority of the center minutes. Haywood would still be needed against the thicker low-post guys, but Wright is the most talented of the three, in my estimation.

He'd also have to rebound a lot better.

Kante · 03-24-2012, 09:57 PM

Phewww... Already was on "Close" on my window. Good job, now get some wins!

Underdog again comes away with the PGT, he's just on a roll!

adonis · 03-24-2012, 09:58 PM

Received some good calls tonight. I guess Kidd delivered a message after the OKC game.

LonghornDub · 03-24-2012, 10:00 PM

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He'd also have to rebound a lot better.

That may be true. There have been games where I've been very underwhelmed by his rebounding, but that's also the case with Haywood at times.

They both have their place, anyway.

Cerberus · 03-24-2012, 10:03 PM

As soon as I heard the buzzer and Budinger missed....PHHEEWWW!

We played good defence, except Dragic was hot from 3 and that 3 from Parsons.

WRIGHT WAS AMAZING!

Underdog · 03-24-2012, 10:03 PM

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LAMAR WHO?

0-2 for 0 points, 2 rebounds, 1 turnover, 2 fouls in 13 minutes.

At least nobody can blame RC for overplaying him...

mavs777 · 03-24-2012, 10:03 PM

Haywood>Wright and it isn't close, Haywood's a much better defender and better rebounder. But he could legitimately deserve to move in front of Mahinmi in rotation.

Firnen · 03-24-2012, 10:05 PM

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He(WHRIGHT)'d also have to rebound a lot better.

just let him go through a complete TC prior to next season. Before he hit our team he played only on Power forward... at this position you can go up for the block come down and maybe jump again for a long rebound. If you are playing the 5 position for the Mavs and go for the block and miss you won't get any rebounds at all.

jthig32 · 03-24-2012, 10:08 PM

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That may be true. There have been games where I've been very underwhelmed by his rebounding, but that's also the case with Haywood at times.

They both have their place, anyway.

He's well below average based on rebounding rate. I actually think rebounding is the biggest thing holding him back. The Mavs are pretty unfortunate that both of their backup centers are pretty terrible rebounders.

But regardless of that flaw, he's showing really great progress, and the fact that the Mavs have a team option next season at league minimum for him is pretty awesome.

adonis · 03-24-2012, 10:12 PM

Wright is definitely the backup center ahead of Mahinmi now. Mahinmi's D is god awful compared to Wright. And nobody is touching 'Wood.

tgfan · 03-24-2012, 10:12 PM

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That may be true. There have been games where I've been very underwhelmed by his rebounding, but that's also the case with Haywood at times.

They both have their place, anyway.

I think we have to take into consideration that Wright is really active contesting a lot of shots, so he often is not going to be in the best position for some rebounds. But I'll take his altering and blocking of shots any day. If you watched a lot of the Rockets' offensive possessions tonight, there were a bunch of their players who got intimidated because they saw Wright in the vicinity, and passed off the ball. This is good because it is taking time off of their shot clock.

Firnen · 03-24-2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

He's well below average based on rebounding rate. I actually think rebounding is the biggest thing holding him back. The Mavs are pretty unfortunate that both of their backup centers are pretty terrible rebounders.

But regardless of that flaw, he's showing really great progress, and the fact that the Mavs have a team option next season at league minimum for him is pretty awesome.

yep, i think we don't praise the Mavs FO as often as they deserve it. Azubuike and Wright for the minimum on Team option next season is great. Don't forget about the early bird right we hold to Mahinmi for next season ( 800,000 caphold, but abel to give him a 5 million contract [trade bait])

LonghornDub · 03-24-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

He's well below average based on rebounding rate. I actually think rebounding is the biggest thing holding him back. The Mavs are pretty unfortunate that both of their backup centers are pretty terrible rebounders.

But regardless of that flaw, he's showing really great progress, and the fact that the Mavs have a team option next season at league minimum for him is pretty awesome.

I don't think he's all that terrible, to be honest. Strength and consistency boxing out may be issues, but he's fought for some pretty tough boards over the course of this year that I don't think any of the other Mavs would have been able to get.

Bayliss · 03-24-2012, 10:23 PM

**Pops off cap off of Smirnoff Ice**

Whew. Mavs played HARD in the second half. Made some mistakes but the effort was damn sure there.

Dirk has a stellar game. He was aggressive for most of the game. In the 4th the Mavs went away from him. I imagine it was because he was winded from the back to back. But his activity was there. And he missed some capable shots here and there.

Marion had a great game too. Big on the boards, and was big on some underneath baskets. His versatility on defense is just amazing. Not too many players in this league can guard 4 positions WELL. And Marion can. He can guard any swingman + waterbug point guards. And he can battle with the bigs underneath.

Wright was a man possessed on defending the paint. Had he not played 30+ minutes, Mavs lose this game I believe. And I wish he would shoot more around the rim. He has a really nice touch.

Terry was frickin' huge in the 4th + overtime. Mavs needeed his scoring when it looked like Dirk was gassed. He makes boneheaded plays sometimes but he has got stones.

Lamar was f*ckin' worthless. Carlisle should just bench his @ss for the rest of the year. Get the f*ckin' traitor off the team. He doesn't even say "we" when he talks about the Mavs.

Roddy played well in spots but boy he needs to penetrate with purpose. That is what separates Parker AND Nash from a lot of guys. They penetrate for a reason. Both looking to score albiet off a pass or their own shot. Roddy has to learn that. When he drives he has to think SCORE(!) in his head.... too many times he just dribbles and kicks it out to a guy who has no shot.

Kidd played pretty well. He has to look for the 3 when he is open. And in overtime he came up with some huge plays like that one rebound off the missed shot. He has a knack of knowing where to be.

The rest of the players were neither good nor bad.

Thomas86 · 03-24-2012, 10:27 PM

Props to Dirk, Terry and Wright...Terry is a true Rockets killer.

jthig32 · 03-24-2012, 10:31 PM

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I don't think he's all that terrible, to be honest. Strength and consistency boxing out may be issues, but he's fought for some pretty tough boards over the course of this year that I don't think any of the other Mavs would have been able to get.

I think you may be letting recent success color your memory. He has 3 games this season where he's played between 18-25 minutes and only had one rebound. He has had some good rebounding games as well, but you can't have a center play 25 minutes and grab one rebound. That's a complete break down.

Rebound rate pegs him as well below average for a center, while Haywood is solidly above average.

And really, it's not surprising that he would struggle to rebound considering he's never played center before.

grndmstr_c · 03-24-2012, 10:35 PM

Big Wood is clearly the Mavs' best center. But at the same time I think Wright has made a pretty damn strong case that he deserves to be the backup. It might be different if Ian were strong on the boards, but he's mediocre enough himself in that department that Wright's shot-blocking and overall superior feel for the game outweigh his poor rebounding. And unfortunately it is poor: Wood's rebounding rate is about 50% higher than Brandan's, for example.

As for the game, I'd be lying if I said I felt particularly good about the way the team played, but it was an important win nonetheless. I sure will be glad when Delonte and Brendan are back in the mix.

tgfan · 03-24-2012, 10:35 PM

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I think you may be letting recent success color your memory. He has 3 games this season where he's played between 18-25 minutes and only had one rebound. He has had some good rebounding games as well, but you can't have a center play 25 minutes and grab one rebound. That's a complete break down.

Rebound rate pegs him as well below average for a center, while Haywood is solidly above average.

And really, it's not surprising that he would struggle to rebound considering he's never played center before.

Yes, but consider that although Haywood rebounds better, he kills us in so many other ways: constantly fumbles the ball away, can't hit free throws, can't catch passes down low, can't get back on defense as well, can't run the floor on a break. Rather than stats, I am interested in a player's overall impact on a game.

LonghornDub · 03-24-2012, 10:36 PM

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I think you may be letting recent success color your memory. He has 3 games this season where he's played between 18-25 minutes and only had one rebound. He has had some good rebounding games as well, but you can't have a center play 25 minutes and grab one rebound. That's a complete break down.

Rebound rate pegs him as well below average for a center, while Haywood is solidly above average.

And really, it's not surprising that he would struggle to rebound considering he's never played center before.

To me, some decent to good games and some admittedly awful games does not average out to "terrible." I understand your point about his rebounding rate, and I'm not ignoring that, but I also have to trust my own eyes, and they don't tell me this guy is an awful rebounder.

But again, I'm sure you're right that he needs to improve. Look no further than the Spurs game to see what happens when the Mavs' bigs don't rebound.

Dtownsfinest · 03-24-2012, 10:37 PM

Good nice solid win. We got a great game by Dirk, career game from Brandon Wright and somehow almost lose to a team without their best two players. I keep hoping and praying each win is something that leads to the Mavs to get back on track to last years team.

b_o_r · 03-24-2012, 10:37 PM

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Dirk has a stellar game. He was aggressive for most of the game. In the 4th the Mavs went away from him. I imagine it was because he was winded from the back to back. But his activity was there. And he missed some capable shots here and there.

I thought Camby and Sam did an admirable job of forcing Dirk off of his spots in the 2nd half. That is why his production went down after the half.

jthig32 · 03-24-2012, 10:39 PM

Wright had really already supplanted Ian as the backup before his concussion. His only low minute games in Februaray were against Indy, NJ and Portland. Portland was a weird case but Indy and NJ are obvious center matchups where Ian's bulk was needed.

It looks like he's just playing himself right back into that roll once everyone is healthy again.

FINtastic · 03-24-2012, 10:40 PM

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I think you may be letting recent success color your memory. He has 3 games this season where he's played between 18-25 minutes and only had one rebound. He has had some good rebounding games as well, but you can't have a center play 25 minutes and grab one rebound. That's a complete break down.

Rebound rate pegs him as well below average for a center, while Haywood is solidly above average.

And really, it's not surprising that he would struggle to rebound considering he's never played center before.

That and the fact that he's rail thin so he's going to have a hard time establishing position against the bigger NBA players. And like some others have mentioned, he's probably overagressive on the blocked shots which leaves him out of position at times. But given that he's probably doesn't have the physical gifts to be a good rebounder, but he does have the physical gifts to be a game-changing shotblocker, that might be a worthwhile tradeoff for him personally.