Summer League Game 2 Recap - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Bayliss · 07-14-2013, 07:12 PM

Boy... that was f*cking ugly. More in depth analysis?

BGMaverick9 · 07-14-2013, 08:02 PM

I still like Gal in terms of backup point guard potential. Takes too much work and time for him to get his jumper up though. He's going to have to keep working on that. He should have had at least 3 more assists, but his teammates couldn't finish.

Jae is so perplexing.

They certainly missed Sarge in today's game.

Ledo is going to be a Frisco player for pretty much the whole year.

oilfieldtrash · 07-14-2013, 08:04 PM

Tbh I really didn't see a single player out there that will have an impact with the nba team. Crowder included.

SMC0007 · 07-14-2013, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Tbh I really didn't see a single player out there that will have an impact with the nba team. Crowder included.

This is silly.

Bayliss · 07-14-2013, 09:03 PM

Mekelangelo really needs to speed up his mechanics shooting the ball. And I have confidence that Rick will work with him on that. He reminds me of a pitcher who has this elaborate windup before throwing the pitch.

Everything else he does on the court is pretty nice. That floater is nice. If Roddy had that in his arsenal he would still be in the league. The giant killer is one of the biggest weapons that a guard can have in the NBA because not all guards can get to the rim.

Crowder is frustrating. I really hope he has been working on his standstill 3 point shooting (especially corner 3s....).

And yeah they missed a big today. Ndyae or however you spell it is pretty terrible. And the other guys just aren't that productive inside. One of them thinks he is Dirk out there.

EricaLubarsky · 07-14-2013, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I still like Gal in terms of backup point guard potential. Takes too much work and time for him to get his jumper up though. He's going to have to keep working on that. He should have had at least 3 more assists, but his teammates couldn't finish.

Jae is so perplexing.

They certainly missed Sarge in today's game.

Ledo is going to be a Frisco player for pretty much the whole year.

Gal is a baller. Excellent vision, moves with purpose and probes defenses. Also has excellent dexterity for passes. The spacing was mostly bad, though and the guys couldn't finish or he could have easily had 8-9 assists. I started counting all the missed assists he had and I got up to 6-7 by the end of the third quarter. Jumper is going to hold him back a bit, but he can hit the three ball and he has no fear going in for teardrop runners or layups and is pretty effective on the drive at least. He reminds me a lot of Jason Kidd down to his build and his lack of range on his jumper early in his career. Mekel always moves with purpose, though so it's hard for teams to simply let him drive knowing that he'll kick it. He's also crafty with his dribble and controls his speed well. He's no speed demon but he drives smartly, has good handles and knows what angles he's looking for. Only a couple of times did he have his drive cut off and even then he was smart to pivot into a shot or make the safe pass back out instead of making a risky pass through tough coverage. He's easily the best surprise of the summer league for me.

Jae is getting into form. He was trying to defend Zeller while the rest of the team missed defensive assignments and he slid all over the place trying to help with missed assignments. He's a solid player who started finding his groove and range in the second half. He's just 6" shorter than Zeller and would have had a pretty decent time if he had just been on Zeller, but lots of zones and defensive crapouts today, which is why he wasn't effective defensively and picked up 8 fouls.

Ledo is pretty hot/cold, but he had some nice hustle plays and a few amazing drives. When he gets smarter with his dribble and the spacing is better, he could be great. I can see why talent scouts thought he was a top-3 high school prospect, but he may take a year or two to get into form. Still a talented 6'6" guy. He picked up some rebounds, steals and assists that were pretty nifty. I'll have to see more to see where he's at, because game 1 he did almost nothing but shot well. Today he shot poorly but made up for it with hustle.

Akognon is a baller. Guy has a great jumper and pretty good handles. He doesn't look to pass nearly as much as he should, but he's deadly enough offensively to be a nice change-up/JET-type that can provide instant-offense.

Dentmon - filled it up today but he's just not that great. He's a guard that does well on the drive and can occasionally hit a jumper, but stops looking for teammates as soon as he takes his first dribble.

James was missed. Cha went inside all they wanted in the first half and probably could have gone in more in the second half. NDiaye is about as raw as they come and they abused him. About 40% of the first half Crowder was the PF and that wasn't good. It's good to see Crowder defend PFs as a growth opportunity, but it didn't help us win at all. We lost the rebounding race by a lot. This summer league roster really lacks talent beyond the SF position other than James. Our bigs are rough.

Still, we won quarters 3 and 4, keeping us at .500. We're 4-0 in the second halves of the first two games and 0-4 in first halves. At least we finish well. It's strange that seeding for the summer tourney is based on quarter wins and not games. A gutsy, come-back win yesterday only got us .500 and a blowout followed by a decent comeback today netted the same results.

yahyes · 07-14-2013, 10:15 PM

Time to panic from an summer league loss! Really though, Crowder must consistently work on attacking the basket more than shooting constantly.

Eman · 07-14-2013, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Gal is a baller. Excellent vision, moves with purpose and probes defenses. Also has excellent dexterity for passes. The spacing was mostly bad, though and the guys couldn't finish or he could have easily had 8-9 assists. I started counting all the missed assists he had and I got up to 6-7 by the end of the third quarter. Jumper is going to hold him back a bit, but he can hit the three ball and he has no fear going in for teardrop runners or layups and is pretty effective on the drive at least. He reminds me a lot of Jason Kidd down to his build and his lack of range on his jumper early in his career. Mekel always moves with purpose, though so it's hard for teams to simply let him drive knowing that he'll kick it. He's also crafty with his dribble and controls his speed well. He's no speed demon but he drives smartly, has good handles and knows what angles he's looking for. Only a couple of times did he have his drive cut off and even then he was smart to pivot into a shot or make the safe pass back out instead of making a risky pass through tough coverage. He's easily the best surprise of the summer league for me.

Jae is getting into form. He was trying to defend Zeller while the rest of the team missed defensive assignments and he slid all over the place trying to help with missed assignments. He's a solid player who started finding his groove and range in the second half. He's just 6" shorter than Zeller and would have had a pretty decent time if he had just been on Zeller, but lots of zones and defensive crapouts today, which is why he wasn't effective defensively and picked up 8 fouls.

Ledo is pretty hot/cold, but he had some nice hustle plays and a few amazing drives. When he gets smarter with his dribble and the spacing is better, he could be great. I can see why talent scouts thought he was a top-3 high school prospect, but he may take a year or two to get into form. Still a talented 6'6" guy. He picked up some rebounds, steals and assists that were pretty nifty. I'll have to see more to see where he's at, because game 1 he did almost nothing but shot well. Today he shot poorly but made up for it with hustle.

Akognon is a baller. Guy has a great jumper and pretty good handles. He doesn't look to pass nearly as much as he should, but he's deadly enough offensively to be a nice change-up/JET-type that can provide instant-offense.

Dentmon - filled it up today but he's just not that great. He's a guard that does well on the drive and can occasionally hit a jumper, but stops looking for teammates as soon as he takes his first dribble.

James was missed. Cha went inside all they wanted in the first half and probably could have gone in more in the second half. NDiaye is about as raw as they come and they abused him. About 40% of the first half Crowder was the PF and that wasn't good. It's good to see Crowder defend PFs as a growth opportunity, but it didn't help us win at all. We lost the rebounding race by a lot. This summer league roster really lacks talent beyond the SF position other than James. Our bigs are rough.

Still, we won quarters 3 and 4, keeping us at .500. We're 4-0 in the second halves of the first two games and 0-4 in first halves. At least we finish well. It's strange that seeding for the summer tourney is based on quarter wins and not games. A gutsy, come-back win yesterday only got us .500 and a blowout followed by a decent comeback today netted the same results.

Nice analysis Erica

BGMaverick9 · 07-14-2013, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Gal is a baller. Excellent vision, moves with purpose and probes defenses. Also has excellent dexterity for passes. The spacing was mostly bad, though and the guys couldn't finish or he could have easily had 8-9 assists. I started counting all the missed assists he had and I got up to 6-7 by the end of the third quarter. Jumper is going to hold him back a bit, but he can hit the three ball and he has no fear going in for teardrop runners or layups and is pretty effective on the drive at least. He reminds me a lot of Jason Kidd down to his build and his lack of range on his jumper early in his career. Mekel always moves with purpose, though so it's hard for teams to simply let him drive knowing that he'll kick it. He's also crafty with his dribble and controls his speed well. He's no speed demon but he drives smartly, has good handles and knows what angles he's looking for. Only a couple of times did he have his drive cut off and even then he was smart to pivot into a shot or make the safe pass back out instead of making a risky pass through tough coverage. He's easily the best surprise of the summer league for me.

Jae is getting into form. He was trying to defend Zeller while the rest of the team missed defensive assignments and he slid all over the place trying to help with missed assignments. He's a solid player who started finding his groove and range in the second half. He's just 6" shorter than Zeller and would have had a pretty decent time if he had just been on Zeller, but lots of zones and defensive crapouts today, which is why he wasn't effective defensively and picked up 8 fouls.

Ledo is pretty hot/cold, but he had some nice hustle plays and a few amazing drives. When he gets smarter with his dribble and the spacing is better, he could be great. I can see why talent scouts thought he was a top-3 high school prospect, but he may take a year or two to get into form. Still a talented 6'6" guy. He picked up some rebounds, steals and assists that were pretty nifty. I'll have to see more to see where he's at, because game 1 he did almost nothing but shot well. Today he shot poorly but made up for it with hustle.

Akognon is a baller. Guy has a great jumper and pretty good handles. He doesn't look to pass nearly as much as he should, but he's deadly enough offensively to be a nice change-up/JET-type that can provide instant-offense.

Dentmon - filled it up today but he's just not that great. He's a guard that does well on the drive and can occasionally hit a jumper, but stops looking for teammates as soon as he takes his first dribble.

James was missed. Cha went inside all they wanted in the first half and probably could have gone in more in the second half. NDiaye is about as raw as they come and they abused him. About 40% of the first half Crowder was the PF and that wasn't good. It's good to see Crowder defend PFs as a growth opportunity, but it didn't help us win at all. We lost the rebounding race by a lot. This summer league roster really lacks talent beyond the SF position other than James. Our bigs are rough.

Still, we won quarters 3 and 4, keeping us at .500. We're 4-0 in the second halves of the first two games and 0-4 in first halves. At least we finish well. It's strange that seeding for the summer tourney is based on quarter wins and not games. A gutsy, come-back win yesterday only got us .500 and a blowout followed by a decent comeback today netted the same results.

Don't disagree with any of that. The only intriguing factor would've been: what would the situation be if Larkin was healthy when it comes to Mekel?

yahyes · 07-15-2013, 02:37 AM

Larkin can shoot better. Mekel can run the point better. Tough choice IMO.

Kante · 07-15-2013, 04:03 AM

I'm not pretty impressed with Mekel so far.

oilfieldtrash · 07-15-2013, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

Larkin can shoot better. Mekel can run the point better. Tough choice IMO.

So you've seen Larkin in summer league?

oilfieldtrash · 07-15-2013, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Kante

I'm not pretty impressed with Mekel so far.

Pretty decent game running the point if he could be surrounded by scorers. Very worrisome that he can't score in summer league. He'd be absolutely shut down in the nba.

spreedom · 07-15-2013, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kante

I'm not pretty impressed with Mekel so far.

What an awkwardly-worded statement.

I'm surprised that anyone would think that. Mekel looks like he has the potential to be an electrifying playmaker. Shot needs work but he made some incredible passes these past couple of games.

G-Man · 07-15-2013, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

What an awkwardly-worded statement.

I'm surprised that anyone would think that. Mekel looks like he has the potential to be an electrifying playmaker. Shot needs work but he made some incredible passes these past couple of games.

Might I suggest the grammar police cut slack for posters who are not native English speakers. Whenever I see a weirdly worded post, I check to see where its from. In High school, I failed to learn French, Latin and Spanish, so I have mercy on any who try English.

Personally, I'm a big Mekel fan and hope he makes strides and gets minutes. He does what I want a Mavs PG to do.

Kante · 07-15-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

What an awkwardly-worded statement.

I'm surprised that anyone would think that. Mekel looks like he has the potential to be an electrifying playmaker. Shot needs work but he made some incredible passes these past couple of games.

Sorry if it sounds a bit odd, the next poster explained why it was/is the case.

I did not saw the whole games, in the minutes i watched he was pretty so-so. His shot needs absolutely some work. Shame that Larkin is out.

G-Man · 07-15-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

What an awkwardly-worded statement.

I'm surprised that anyone would think that. Mekel looks like he has the potential to be an electrifying playmaker. Shot needs work but he made some incredible passes these past couple of games.

Might I suggest the grammar police cut slack for posters who are not native English speakers. Whenever I see a weirdly worded post, I check to see where its from. In High school, I failed to learn French, Latin and Spanish, so I have mercy on any who try English.

Personally, I'm a big Mekel fan and hope he makes strides and gets minutes. He does what I want a Mavs PG to do.

GermanBlitzkrieg · 07-15-2013, 10:50 AM

Sometimes I wonder what the players are being told by the coaches. Mekel seems very reluctant to shoot, and I'm wondering if that may be by design right now. He runs the team very well, but needs to hit some jumpers. Ledo intrigues me. He looks like he's tentative, and considering he's young, and hasn't played college level or Summer League level ball in over a year, I think he's done well. Flashes of real talent. Akognon hits some nice shots, definitely trying to make a team somewhere. The team is trying to get certain players more ready than others, like Mekel and Crowder. I wonder if Mekel's and Akognon's play and the signing of Ellis has something to do with Harris's "toe" concerns. Anyway, it's summer league and some basketball to watch. And that's a good thing.

BGMaverick9 · 07-15-2013, 12:04 PM

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...e-qa-gal-mekel

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...nigma-for-mavs

Melonhead · 07-15-2013, 01:34 PM

Mekel shot makes me cringe. It looks lifeless and without range. Like what he does everywhere else though

pepe · 07-15-2013, 07:41 PM

Ledo is quite a player, he has all the tools to be a special player. what surprise me so far is his passing and court vision and how well he handle the ball.

Of all the players I saw so far C.J McCollum looks so impressive....The Draft gods paying back to the blazers.

zakarumes · 07-15-2013, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Mekel shot makes me cringe. It looks lifeless and without range. Like what he does everywhere else though

As a Macabi Haifa fan i can tell you he can hit the three pointer, but the way he shoots isnt really good. He had a game this season he scored 32 points shooting 4\7 3pt and 8\11 inside. He also had 34% from the 3pt through out the season.

And sorry for my bad english ofc

Underdog · 07-15-2013, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by zakarumes

As a Macabi Haifa fan i can tell you he can hit the three pointer, but the way he shoots isnt really good. He had a game this season he scored 32 points shooting 4\7 3pt and 8\11 inside. He also had 34% from the 3pt through out the season.

And sorry for my bad english ofc

Your English is fine...

Is the 3-point line the same distance from the hoop in Israel as it is in the NBA?

SMC0007 · 07-15-2013, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pepe

Ledo is quite a player, he has all the tools to be a special player. what surprise me so far is his passing and court vision and how well he handle the ball.

Of all the players I saw so far C.J McCollum looks so impressive....The Draft gods paying back to the blazers.

Yea, and wasn't he available when we drafted?

grndmstr_c · 07-15-2013, 09:15 PM

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Yea, and wasn't he available when we drafted?

Nope. Went 10th. I saw it reported somewhere that if him, Burke or MCW had fallen Dallas would have kept the 13th pick.

zakarumes · 07-16-2013, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Your English is fine...

Is the 3-point line the same distance from the hoop in Israel as it is in the NBA?

Didnt think about that, you are right, its closer to the hoop in Israel.
But im 100% sure he can improve his shot, he is known for his hardworking

Budapest Maverick · 07-16-2013, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Mekel shot makes me cringe. It looks lifeless and without range. Like what he does everywhere else though

He's an ok shooter when wide open, and will make the open 3-pointer more often than not. Otherwise, yeah, he's not a shooter, and shouldn't be counted on to make shots. I like his game overall too.

spreedom · 07-16-2013, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kante

Sorry if it sounds a bit odd, the next poster explained why it was/is the case.

I did not saw the whole games, in the minutes i watched he was pretty so-so. His shot needs absolutely some work. Shame that Larkin is out.

My bad. Apologies.

BGMaverick9 · 07-16-2013, 09:50 AM

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...-qa-ricky-ledo

sike · 07-16-2013, 01:44 PM

just read this whole thread...MAN! There are some radically diverse opinions on Gal going on.

As some others, I noticed the slowness of his release right away. He'll HAVE to tune that thing up to make any progress in the League.

BGMaverick9 · 07-16-2013, 02:52 PM

Got to really watch their practice today and Gal continues to impress me. He's doing a really good job taking control of things when things slow down in practice and does such impressive things when he gets rolling with the ball.

The lob he had to end practice had me floored.

He's savvy on defense. It's clear his challenges will be shooting and the footwork on defense, but he's smart enough to figure out how to work around those issues as he continues to get better at fixing them.

jleefilled · 07-16-2013, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

He's an ok shooter when wide open, and will make the open 3-pointer more often than not. Otherwise, yeah, he's not a shooter, and shouldn't be counted on to make shots. I like his game overall too.

I actually thought his shot looks pretty decent off the dribble -- e.g. when fading away or when pulling up for the quick jumper. It's just his set shot -- e.g. in catch and shoot situations -- looks way too slow and uncomfortable mechanically.

BGMaverick9 · 07-16-2013, 03:42 PM

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...to-ricky-rubio

Underdog · 07-16-2013, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...to-ricky-rubio

That's EXACTLY who I've been thinking of when I watch Mekel.

SMC0007 · 07-16-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Got to really watch their practice today and Gal continues to impress me. He's doing a really good job taking control of things when things slow down in practice and does such impressive things when he gets rolling with the ball.

The lob he had to end practice had me floored.

He's savvy on defense. It's clear his challenges will be shooting and the footwork on defense, but he's smart enough to figure out how to work around those issues as he continues to get better at fixing them.

Who was the lob to?