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Underdog · 07-22-2013, 11:55 AM

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Mavericks reach agreement with Rockets executive Gersson Rosas to become team's general manager

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The Dallas Mavericks have agreed in principle with Houston Rockets VP of basketball operations Gersson Rosas to become the franchise's general manager, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

For Mavs owner Mark Cuban and president Donnie Nelson, the hiring of Rosas is a coup for an organization that has been committed to finding a way to strengthen its basketball operations. Rosas will be given significant latitude to shape the direction of the franchise's pro and college personnel departments, free agency and scouting.

As an integral part of rebuilding the Rockets' roster with Houston general manager Daryl Morey, Rosas, 35, is considered one of the NBA's best young executives.

Over nine years with the Rockets, Rosas advanced steadily through the organization, beginning as a video coordinator and scout, and rising to executive vice president of basketball operations. With Rosas as general manager of Houston's D-League affiliate, the Rio Grande Valley Vipers, the team won two championships and reached a third league finals.

Rosas is a native of Bogota, Columbia, and has a coaching history at the University of Houston and with the Venezuelan national team.

The Rockets' front office has become fertile ground for rival franchises to hire executives. Rosas is the second member of the Rockets' front office to leave for a GM promotion this year. Sam Hinkie became the Philadelphia 76ers' general manager in May.

Donnie still president... I wonder how much "Plan Powder" played into this move?

Bayliss · 07-22-2013, 11:58 AM

And Donnie's reaction:

moogle · 07-22-2013, 11:59 AM

Wasn't Donnie Nelson pulling double duty as president & GM? If this new hire takes Donnie off the GM role, and this can only be a good thing.

Underdog · 07-22-2013, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by moogle

Wasn't Donnie Nelson pulling double duty as president & GM? If this new hire takes Donnie off the GM role, and this can only be a good thing.

Agreed.

SMC0007 · 07-22-2013, 12:01 PM

Donnie is happy.

Underdog · 07-22-2013, 12:07 PM

I'm gonna coin the phrase now - Mavs fans who don't bitch & moan about every little move the Mavs FO makes will be accused of seeing through "Rosas-colored glasses."

(thank you, thank you - I'll be here all week!)

j0Shi · 07-22-2013, 12:09 PM

Didn't see it coming but with all the moves that didn't pay off (draft, powder etc.) it seems logical now that a change/addition was imminent.

DirkFTW · 07-22-2013, 12:19 PM

FreshJive · 07-22-2013, 12:25 PM

Maybe he'll bring Asik with him. Marion has been tweeting some weird things today.

"@matrix31: I was raised, never to bite the hand that feeds you!!!!!!!"

"@matrix31: God knows everything"

BGMaverick9 · 07-22-2013, 12:26 PM

He does that everyday...

REEKO_HTOWN · 07-22-2013, 12:27 PM

Congrats on the great hire. Well deserved for Rosas.

FreshJive · 07-22-2013, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

He does that everyday...

Rosas colored glasses.

Melonhead · 07-22-2013, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

Maybe he'll bring Asik with him. Marion has been tweeting some weird things today.

"@matrix31: I was raised, never to bite the hand that feeds you!!!!!!!"

"@matrix31: God knows everything"

I was thinking the same thing about that first tweet. Second one seems like something he'd tweet any day

grndmstr_c · 07-22-2013, 01:55 PM

I don't know enough about Rossas to comment on the fact that he was the hire, but this is probably the most significant personnel acquisition of the offseason for the team. Looking forward to seeing how he handles things.

Man they sure kept that quiet, though. I wonder how long they've been negotiating?

yahyes · 07-22-2013, 01:57 PM

I wonder how strict on player evaluations the new GM will be now.

MavsFTR · 07-22-2013, 01:58 PM

Here's hoping we make some real splashes come February.

He15man · 07-22-2013, 02:13 PM

Hopefully it pays off

sike · 07-22-2013, 02:19 PM

Am I crazy for thinking that Cubes is still the acting GM? Or are we thinking that "Plan Powder" was actually Donnie's plan? Bc I've always thought of that as Cuban all the way.

oilfieldtrash · 07-22-2013, 02:19 PM

Great move. Donnie needed to go and Cuban had the guts to make the move. Just when I was losing faith. Hopefully the new guy can draft because we know how Donnie has done without dad.

Melonhead · 07-22-2013, 02:24 PM

Maybe we can actually scout players and build instead of saving up for lebron and the like.

grndmstr_c · 07-22-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

Am I crazy for thinking that Cubes is still the acting GM? Or are we thinking that "Plan Powder" was actually Donnie's plan? Bc I've always thought of that as Cuban all the way.

I've long assumed that the decision to go the cap space route was made by Cuban, Donnie and Rick together. What gave you the impression that it was otherwise?

oilfieldtrash · 07-22-2013, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I've long assumed that the decision to go the cap space route was made by Cuban, Donnie and Rick together. What gave you the impression that it was otherwise?

A stripping of the gm title I'm guessing.

sike · 07-22-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I've long assumed that the decision to go the cap space route was made by Cuban, Donnie and Rick together. What gave you the impression that it was otherwise?

Bc Mark Cuban is the smartest guy in the room and needs everyone else to know it.

This is just me playing a hunch based on human nature.

But do you really think Rick Carlisle would want to blow his team up? Doesn't sound like something he would come up with.

Dirk's Knee · 07-22-2013, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

Am I crazy for thinking that Cubes is still the acting GM? Or are we thinking that "Plan Powder" was actually Donnie's plan? Bc I've always thought of that as Cuban all the way.

Cuban has been on record many times stating he leaves the talent evaluation to the guys who know best. Of course as the owner he has final say and guides the overall plan, but I don't see him as the Jerry Jones of the NBA.

sike · 07-22-2013, 02:44 PM

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Cuban has been on record many times stating he leaves the talent evaluation to the guys who know best. Of course as the owner he has final say and guides the overall plan, but I don't see him as the Jerry Jones of the NBA.

So it is your opinion that "Plan Powder" originated with someone other than Cuban?

oilfieldtrash · 07-22-2013, 02:49 PM

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So it is your opinion that "Plan Powder" originated with someone other than Cuban?

You don't demote/eventually fire a guy for following through with your plan and the plan failing. Well I guess you could but that'd be awfully chicken spit and I don't think Cuban is that type.

dirno2000 · 07-22-2013, 02:55 PM

This came out of nowhere but it's a welcome change. Although, the timing seems a bit strange. Wouldn't you want to make a change like this before you draft and use all your cap space?

In any case, what Houston has done without bottoming out has been pretty impressive. They've drafted well without premium picks and tried to improve just a little with each trade while stockpiling assets. You could pick a worse organization to poach a young executive from.

I wonder if he's a big quant guy in the mold of Morey.

Underdog · 07-22-2013, 03:21 PM

In lesser news:

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Chuck Cooperstein ‏@coopmavs: @mcuban says contract of Mavs strength and conditioning coach Robert Hackett was not renewed

Looks like there's a bit of housecleaning in the Mavs non-player ranks.

Underdog · 07-22-2013, 03:24 PM

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Jeff Caplan ‏@Caplan_NBA: On ESPNDal radio Cuban says new GM Gerrson Rosas will report to DNelson: "Gives us 1 more smart person to help us make smarter decisions."

So Rosas works under Donnie... But Cubes always has the last say in everything, so I'm not sure how much the chain of command matters here.

grndmstr_c · 07-22-2013, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

Bc Mark Cuban is the smartest guy in the room and needs everyone else to know it.

This is just me playing a hunch based on human nature.

But do you really think Rick Carlisle would want to blow his team up? Doesn't sound like something he would come up with.

You think he was opposed to the path they took?

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-22-2013, 03:31 PM

Good to have a fresh perspective from someone new since we all know how plan powder went.

sike · 07-22-2013, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

You think he was opposed to the path they took?

I think Carlisle is a great soldier/team player (and a brilliant coach). Obviously he went along with it and publicly supported it.

With what we actually know about Carlisle, does it seem like a "risk it all" plan is something he would come up with?

*Remember, I supported the plan. But it doesn't feel like a Carlisle move. It absolutely feels like a Cuban move.*

Underdog · 07-22-2013, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

I think Carlisle is a great soldier/team player (and a brilliant coach). Obviously he went along with it and publicly supported it.

With what we actually know about Carlisle, does it seem like a "risk it all" plan is something he would come up with?

*Remember, I supported the plan. But it doesn't feel like a Carlisle move. It absolutely feels like a Cuban move.*

I'm sure Carlisle was intrigued at the possibility of getting guys like Deron/Paul/Howard - any one of them would have fit his system like a glove.

That said, I'm sure he would have preferred to keep Chandler, since he's kind of a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" sort of guy.

But at the end of the day, he knows his job is to get whatever group of players he's given prepared to win... I have no doubt that he defers the business end of this sport to guys who know a lot more about it than he does. He's not just a "company guy" - he understands what it's like to be part of a whole (the mouth doesn't walk and the foot doesn't talk).

sike · 07-22-2013, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

But at the end of the day, he knows his job is to get whatever group of players he's given prepared to win... I have no doubt that he defers the business end of this sport to guys who know a lot more about it than he does. He's not just a "company guy" - he understands what it's like to be part of a whole (the mouth doesn't walk and the foot doesn't talk).

I agree. He isn't a puppet. But I do think what you just described IS a company man. Loyal. Trustworthy. Not going to speak his mind if it shames his boss. Etc.

By "Company Man", I do not mean a boot licker, etc. I mean someone who knows his place.

grndmstr_c · 07-22-2013, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

I think Carlisle is a great soldier/team player (and a brilliant coach). Obviously he went along with it and publicly supported it.

With what we actually know about Carlisle, does it seem like a "risk it all" plan is something he would come up with?

*Remember, I supported the plan. But it doesn't feel like a Carlisle move. It absolutely feels like a Cuban move.*

Look, purely as a coach, I think Rick is perfectly happy to roll a bunch of dedicated, competitive professional athletes out there and coach them and believe in them to the last buzzer even if they're not the most talented bunch. As a guy who's been around the NBA a long time, though, I also think that he's aware of the value of top-shelf talent when it comes to winning basketball games, as well as the toll that time takes on even the best. And as someone on the inside at the highest levels of the Mavs' basketball operations, I expect he was privvy to a more clear and complete insight into the way the then-new CBA would alter the Mavs' usual approach to building the team up and keeping it competitive than every single one of the critics the Mavs have picked up over the last couple years. Do I think it was his first choice to only offer Tyson a short-term deal to stay with the Mavs? No. Probably not. But I also don't see any reason to suspect that he didn't understand the reasons behind, or wasn't on board with, the decision to go that route. The prospect of landing a top free agent like CP or DH has such far-reaching implications for any franchise that it'd be foolish to assume that the goal of obtaining someone like that didn't come from Mark, but that doesn't mean that the way that the organization went about trying to get one of those guys over the last two years was mapped out by just one person.

sike · 07-22-2013, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Look, purely as a coach, I think Rick is perfectly happy to roll a bunch of dedicated, competitive professional athletes out there and coach them and believe in them to the last buzzer even if they're not the most talented bunch. As a guy who's been around the NBA a long time, though, I also think that he's aware of the value of top-shelf talent when it comes to winning basketball games, as well as the toll that time takes on even the best. And as someone on the inside at the highest levels of the Mavs' basketball operations, I expect he was privvy to a more clear and complete insight into the way the then-new CBA would alter the Mavs' usual approach to building the team up and keeping it competitive than every single one of the critics the Mavs have picked up over the last couple years. Do I think it was his first choice to only offer Tyson a short-term deal to stay with the Mavs? No. Probably not. But I also don't see any reason to suspect that he didn't understand the reasons behind, or wasn't on board with, the decision to go that route..... but that doesn't mean that the way that the organization went about trying to get one of those guys over the last two years was mapped out by just one person.

I'm positive Rick was privy to the on going discussions. That much has been said by Donnie and Cuban. My comment was that I doubt it was anything close to "his plan" (or even equal part his plan). I agree he went along with it. He is a great coach and employee. And ANYONE could see the potential upside of the plan. I'm sure it wasn't missed on him.

My point/claim/assertion/speculation is not that Mark did all the "mapping", but that this was his idea and then the others came aboard.

It comes from the idea that Mark felt very strongly that HE had the implications of the new CBA figured out early on. It feels like a Cuban baby to me.

Were the others on board? Of course. My claim is not otherwise.

*Once again, this is speculation based on a hunch, so this is just me spit balling.

Underdog · 07-22-2013, 04:51 PM

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I agree. He isn't a puppet. But I do think what you just described IS a company man. Loyal. Trustworthy. Not going to speak his mind if it shames his boss. Etc.

By "Company Man", I do not mean a boot licker, etc. I mean someone who knows his place.

What I just described is every coach in the NBA... Coaches are leaders, and a good leader is both loyal and trustworthy. I've never heard a coach go against the grain publicly unless they know they're about to be fired (or just have been). And even then, most coaches are smart enough not to throw their owner or GM under the bus if they ever want to get another job.

I'm sure Carlisle gives plenty of personnel input, and I'm sure the front office listens and compares notes. It's less about knowing his place, and more about knowing his function.

Underdog · 07-22-2013, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

My point/claim/assertion/speculation is not that Mark did all the "mapping", but that this was his idea and then the others came aboard.

It comes from the idea that Mark felt very strongly that HE had the implications of the new CBA figured out early on.

It always seemed to me that the strategy concerning the new CBA was a Cuban/Donnie collaboration from the get-go, probably something like a 50-50, 60-40 split. Sure, Mark likes to take credit publicly, but Donnie is the numbers guy - it's his JOB to know this stuff... Cuban can just sit back and count money if he wants to (not that he does, but he can).

This new GM hiring does have me wondering if perhaps Donnie sold him on "plan powder" though.

sike · 07-22-2013, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

It always seemed to me that the strategy concerning the new CBA was a Cuban/Donnie collaboration from the get-go, probably something like a 50-50, 60-40 split. Sure, Mark likes to take credit publicly, but Donnie is the numbers guy - it's his JOB to know this stuff... Cuban can just sit back and count money if he wants to (not that he does, but he can).

This new GM hiring does have me wondering if perhaps Donnie sold him on "plan powder" though.

*shurgs* that all could be....

sike · 07-22-2013, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

What I just described is every coach in the NBA... Coaches are leaders, and a good leader is both loyal and trustworthy. I've never heard a coach go against the grain publicly unless they know they're about to be fired (or just have been). And even then, most coaches are smart enough not to throw their owner or GM under the bus if they ever want to get another job.

Doc Rivers just forced his way out of Boston. And he is a pretty great coach. "loyal and trustworthy"? Charles Barkley didn't think so about Doc.