ESPN Top 100

[Dallas41]

Each year ESPN asks a panel of experts to rank a listing of players and comes up with their #NBARank. This year a number of Mavericks have made the top 100 players.

80 - Josh Richardson (2019-20 rank 86)

41 - Kristaps Porzingis (2019-20 rank 34)

4 - Luka Doncic (2019-20 rank 16)



Seems like KP is rated too low IMO

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Each year ESPN asks a panel of experts to rank a listing of players and comes up with their #NBARank. This year a number of Mavericks have made the top 100 players.

80 - Josh Richardson (2019-20 rank 86)

41 - Kristaps Porzingis (2019-20 rank 34)

4 - Luka Doncic (2019-20 rank 16)



Seems like KP is rated too low IMO

I dunno, seems pretty close to me. I might have him a little higher, but not much. I don't think I'd have him higher than 35.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I dunno, seems pretty close to me. I might have him a little higher, but not much. I don't think I'd have him higher than 35.

I think it's good for his regular season.

If you look at just his bubble, he's higher, but for the season averages, I think it's on point.

[BPo001]

Until KP proves he can stay healthy for an entire season I don’t see him moving up. I didn’t see the list to see who is ahead of him, but initial reaction was that sounds about right.

[NeedlesKane]

3 above Luka? LeBron, Giannis, and... Harden?

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

3 above Luka? LeBron, Giannis, and... Harden?

It's Davis. It's not outrageous per se, but I do disagree. The thing about AD is he's inconsistent. When he's "on," he's the best player in the league. Totally unstoppable. But then he just disappears for long stretches for no discernible reason. He can put up 50 one game, and then only 14 the next, and you really don't know which you're getting.

[NeedlesKane]

So for those who want to see the list in here:

1. LeBron James
2. Anthony Davis
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo
4. Luka Doncic
5. Kawhi Leonard
6. Kevin Durant
7. Damian Lillard
8. Steph Curry
9. James Harden
10. Nikola Jokic
11. Jayson Tatum
12. Jimmy Butler
13. Bam Adebayo
14. Joel Embiid
15. Chris Paul
16. Ben Simmons
17. Devin Booker
18. Donovan Mitchell
19. Zion Williamson
20. Paul George
21. Jamal Murray
22. Bradley Beal
23. Karl-Anthony Towns
24. Pascal Siakam
25. Kyrie Irving
26. Rudy Gobert
27. CJ McCollum
28. Brandon Ingram
29. Trae Young
30. Kyle Lowry
31. Ja Morant
32. Jaylen Brown
33. Jrue Holiday
34. De'Aaron Fox
35. Khris Middleton
36. Russell Westbrook
37. Marcus Smart
38. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
39. Malcolm Brogdon
40. Fred VanVleet
41. Kristaps Porzingis
42. Nikola Vucevic
43. Jaren Jackson Jr.
44. Draymond Green
45. Gordon Hayward
46. Caris LeVert
47. Victor Oladipo
48. Kemba Walker
49. Spencer Dinwiddie
50. Domantas Sabonis
51. Michael Porter Jr.
52. Deandre Ayton
53. Jusuf Nurkic
54. Lonzo Ball
55. Christian Wood
56. Zach LaVine
57. Tobias Harris
58. Goran Dragic
59. Tyler Herro
60. Robert Covington
61. Davis Bertans
62. Bogdan Bogdanovic
63. TJ Warren
64. Kevin Love
65. Blake Griffin
66. Serge Ibaka
67. Eric Bledsoe
68. OG Anunoby
69. D'Angelo Russell
70. Steven Adams
71. Mike Conley
72. P.J. Tucker
73. Bojan Bogdanovic
74. Myles Turner
75. Duncan Robinson
76. Montrezl Harrell
77. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
78. Aaron Gordon
79. Dennis Schroder
80. Josh Richardson
81. John Wall
82. DeMar DeRozan
83. Dejounte Murray
84. John Collins
85. Danilo Gallinari
86. Brook Lopez
87. Buddy Hield
88. Jerami Grant
89. Joe Ingles
90. Patrick Beverly
91. Seth Curry
92. Mitchell Robinson
93. Ricky Rubio
94. Jarrett Allen
95. LaMarcus Aldridge
96. Marc Gasol
97. Derrick White
98. Otto Porter Jr.
99. Marcus Morris Sr.
100. Joe Harris

[SMC0007]

Giannis
Lebron
Doncic

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

So for those who want to see the list in here:

1. LeBron James
2. Anthony Davis
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo
4. Luka Doncic
5. Kawhi Leonard
6. Kevin Durant
7. Damian Lillard
8. Steph Curry
9. James Harden
10. Nikola Jokic
11. Jayson Tatum
12. Jimmy Butler
13. Bam Adebayo
14. Joel Embiid
15. Chris Paul
16. Ben Simmons
17. Devin Booker
18. Donovan Mitchell
19. Zion Williamson
20. Paul George
21. Jamal Murray
22. Bradley Beal
23. Karl-Anthony Towns
24. Pascal Siakam
25. Kyrie Irving
26. Rudy Gobert
27. CJ McCollum
28. Brandon Ingram
29. Trae Young
30. Kyle Lowry
31. Ja Morant
32. Jaylen Brown
33. Jrue Holiday
34. De'Aaron Fox
35. Khris Middleton
36. Russell Westbrook
37. Marcus Smart
38. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
39. Malcolm Brogdon
40. Fred VanVleet
41. Kristaps Porzingis
42. Nikola Vucevic
43. Jaren Jackson Jr.
44. Draymond Green
45. Gordon Hayward
46. Caris LeVert
47. Victor Oladipo
48. Kemba Walker
49. Spencer Dinwiddie
50. Domantas Sabonis
51. Michael Porter Jr.
52. Deandre Ayton
53. Jusuf Nurkic
54. Lonzo Ball
55. Christian Wood
56. Zach LaVine
57. Tobias Harris
58. Goran Dragic
59. Tyler Herro
60. Robert Covington
61. Davis Bertans
62. Bogdan Bogdanovic
63. TJ Warren
64. Kevin Love
65. Blake Griffin
66. Serge Ibaka
67. Eric Bledsoe
68. OG Anunoby
69. D'Angelo Russell
70. Steven Adams
71. Mike Conley
72. P.J. Tucker
73. Bojan Bogdanovic
74. Myles Turner
75. Duncan Robinson
76. Montrezl Harrell
77. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
78. Aaron Gordon
79. Dennis Schroder
80. Josh Richardson
81. John Wall
82. DeMar DeRozan
83. Dejounte Murray
84. John Collins
85. Danilo Gallinari
86. Brook Lopez
87. Buddy Hield
88. Jerami Grant
89. Joe Ingles
90. Patrick Beverly
91. Seth Curry
92. Mitchell Robinson
93. Ricky Rubio
94. Jarrett Allen
95. LaMarcus Aldridge
96. Marc Gasol
97. Derrick White
98. Otto Porter Jr.
99. Marcus Morris Sr.
100. Joe Harris

We traded 91 for 80 and a pick...guess we did well there.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

LMAO there is no way Caldwell-Pope is better than Josh Richardson.

And John Collins at 84? Is there a more underrated player in NBA history?

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

LMAO there is no way Caldwell-Pope is better than Josh Richardson.

Recency bias. Any time a guy plays well for a championship team, they can coast on that for years.

Can we all stop though and appreciate how awesome it is that Luka is being recognized as a top 5 player and he's just now entering year three? ESPN just ranked him higher than Steph Curry and Kevin Durant. Think about that for a second. Yes I know Durant is coming off a catastrophic injury, but still.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Recency bias. Any time a guy plays well for a championship team, they can coast on that for years.

Can we all stop though and appreciate how awesome it is that Luka is being recognized as a top 5 player and he's just now entering year three? ESPN just ranked him higher than Steph Curry and Kevin Durant. Think about that for a second. Yes I know Durant is coming off a catastrophic injury, but still.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

We traded 91 for 80 and a pick...guess we did well there.

I'm actually shocked Curry was 91.

That tells me he's come quite a long way and ahead of THJ on a bargain contract.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Until KP proves he can stay healthy for an entire season I don’t see him moving up. I didn’t see the list to see who is ahead of him, but initial reaction was that sounds about right.

I understand the health concerns.

But IMO based on his performance after the All Star break and into the bubble then the playoffs KP was absolutely incredible. You could make valid argument that he out played Paul George doing that Clippers series right?

You could make the same argument regarding injuries for Zion as well but he still rated higher.

I hate to sound like a HOMER but KP is top 30-35 IMO.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I understand the health concerns.

But IMO based on his performance after the All Star break and into the bubble then the playoffs KP was absolutely incredible. You could make valid argument that he out played Paul George doing that Clippers series right?

You could make the same argument regarding injuries for Zion as well but he still rated higher.

I hate to sound like a HOMER but KP is top 30-35 IMO.

You can't only count after the all-star break though. He was incredibly inconsistent before that, and sometimes outright awful. It was really hard to watch sometimes. I realize he was coming off of an injury but still. He has yet to prove he can be consistently great or even good.

I'm curious. Who on that list do you think should move down in order for KP to move up? Because all of those names look right to me.

[NeedlesKane]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

You can't only count after the all-star break though. He was incredibly inconsistent before that, and sometimes outright awful. It was really hard to watch sometimes. I realize he was coming off of an injury but still. He has yet to prove he can be consistently great or even good.

I'm curious. Who on that list do you think should move down in order for KP to move up? Because all of those names look right to me.

I feel like Chris Paul is far too high on the list, personally. I can find some others as well but definitely Chris Paul. He should be nowhere near where they placed him.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

I feel like Chris Paul is far too high on the list, personally. I can find some others as well but definitely Chris Paul. He should be nowhere near where they placed him.

I mean, he was easily a top 15 player last season. Going forward maybe not, but this past season (which ended like two months ago?) He earned the hell out of that 2nd team all-nba spot.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

You can't only count after the all-star break though. He was incredibly inconsistent before that, and sometimes outright awful. It was really hard to watch sometimes. I realize he was coming off of an injury but still. He has yet to prove he can be consistently great or even good.

I'm curious. Who on that list do you think should move down in order for KP to move up? Because all of those names look right to me.

Health is a big issue no doubt but I'd take KP over the following players right now in that 30-40 range

30. Kyle Lowry
34. De'Aaron Fox
35. Khris Middleton
36. Russell Westbrook
37. Marcus Smart
38. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
39. Malcolm Brogdon


KP is a legit #2 option and honestly I'm not even sure why Fox, Middleton, Smart or Brogdon are all rated higher than him other than the injury concerns.

I honestly don't think any of those guys could shoulder the load if their #1 option went down.

With KP I've seen him become the #1 option and play well when Luka went down. One of the biggest games last year without Luka was vs Milwaukee and KP was the tone setter for the Mavs that game.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Giannis
Lebron
Doncic

Agree with this. Davis has to be outside of these three.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Health is a big issue no doubt but I'd take KP over the following players right now in that 30-40 range

30. Kyle Lowry
34. De'Aaron Fox
35. Khris Middleton
36. Russell Westbrook
37. Marcus Smart
38. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
39. Malcolm Brogdon


KP is a legit #2 option and honestly I'm not even sure why Fox, Middleton, Smart or Brogdon are all rated higher than him other than the injury concerns.

I honestly don't think any of those guys could shoulder the load if their #1 option went down.

With KP I've seen him become the #1 option and play well when Luka went down. One of the biggest games last year without Luka was vs Milwaukee and KP was the tone setter for the Mavs that game.

I don't necessarily have a problem ranking KP ahead of those guys, but I don't have a problem with him ranking behind them either. When he's healthy and playing well, I agree that he's better than those guys. But you can't just ignore those things and only look at his good games. As it is, I feel like he is anywhere from 35-40. If he's healthy and at his best though, then yeah he's probably a top 20 player. Maybe even higher. But he's got to prove that he can do it consistently first.

[Scoobay]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I understand the health concerns.

But IMO based on his performance after the All Star break and into the bubble then the playoffs KP was absolutely incredible. You could make valid argument that he out played Paul George doing that Clippers series right?

You could make the same argument regarding injuries for Zion as well but he still rated higher.

I hate to sound like a HOMER but KP is top 30-35 IMO.

Yeah i didn't look at it closely...
Zion is a friggin top 20 player already?
he hasn't done $hit
as much as i don't like PG13 it's laughable to put Zion right above Paul George (although i like that it's kind of a big FU to playoff P)