The knicks must be ready for the pickin'

[Murphy3]

can the mavs move:
bradley and NVE
for
Sprewell and Thomas?

i'm sure the contracts don't match but the knicks are currently committing suicide as it is

[Drbio]

hahaha...I think Layden took some crack and washed it down with Jack Daniels.

[Lvubun1]

I don't think the Dyess for Neno trade was that bad, Dyess when heathly is one of the top 5 power fowards in the game. They also get rid of Marcus Gimpy in the process. And why would the Mavs want Spreewell he will shot twice as much as NVE maybe even more and his FG% isn't much better, and I doubt if he would be willing to tone down his game.

[Murphy3]

lvubun, it was merely a shot at New Yorks GM

[Murphy3]

notice the quote from doc directly after my post.... he got it..you didn't

[Drbio]

it was ribbing...

[Murphy3]

i guess some can catch on to sarcasm..some can't

[Murphy3]

it must be frustrating to be a knicks fan right now

[Drbio]

If I were a Knick fan, I would go jump off the Brooklyn Bridge and get it over with. What a doofus that Layden is.

[Dooby]

<< I don't think the Dyess for Neno trade was that bad, Dyess when heathly is one of the top 5 power fowards in the game. They also get rid of Marcus Gimpy in the process. >>



That is an assinine comment. You talk about one player who has not been healthy for 2 years being good when healthy and bash another for the same damn thing.

This was a stupid, stupid trade for NY.

[kg_veteran]

I don't see how this is a bad trade for New York. They give up an unreliable and inconsistent Marcus Camby, an unproven rookie PF, and an over the hill, retread PG, and in exchange they get a guy who's a Top 10-15 player and a young point guard to groom. In New York, they don't accept the idea of slowly rebuilding, and McDyess instantly puts the team back into the playoffs next year. In fact, they probably get to at least the second round.

I think the trade also works for Denver, because along with their No. 5 pick (can't spell his name), the Nuggets now have two young forwards to develop, and they also have a couple of guys in Camby and Howard that can be adequate starters until those guys develop.

However, to say the Knicks are idiots for making this trade appears to be quite a bit off to me...

[MFFL]

If the Knicks get NVE they will be a good team (for the East).

Houston, McDyess, Sprewell, and NVE is not a bad lineup. Who would play center - that's what the exception is for.

[kg_veteran]

That's not a bad team if they keep Thomas either. McDyess or Thomas can play center in the East. Then they just need a PG to play consistently for them.

[MavKikiNYC]

<< In New York, they don't accept the idea of slowly rebuilding,... >>



I said it in another post. The NY FANS were readier than ever to support a rebuild--overwhelmingly from the posts I've read. It's NYK's pathologically shortsighted playoff-revenue-wanting ownership who can't conceptualize 'success' beyond a 2003 second-round playoff thrashing.

McDyess is a bigger risk than they had to take--a risk on the injury front, a risk on the re-sign front, and frankly, many people consider him either overrated or an underachiever.

Plus, even assuming they acquire NVE and get a ready-to-wear lineup, it's a solution for AT BEST only a couple or three years. These players have peaked, you KNOW the upper limit of what you're getting, and NOBODY thinks this team has a chance to challenge for a championship. No sense of excitement, no sense of watching talent develop, no hope of seeing something truly special. Even if he was a longshot, Nene was the chance to see a talent develop.

Also, while getting rid of Camby was definitely in order, the sense is they sold him when his value was lowest. Seems like he could've been packaged in a deal that better addressed NYK's needs.

And even assuming a lineup of NVE, Houston, Sprewell, McDyess, and X-center:

-the Knicks still have the cancerous LaTrine playing out of position and getting older by the minute;

-NVE isn't a classic point guard, certainly not a classic NYKs point guard, he's worthless defensively, and he too is getting older by the minute; and for those who argue that he and McDyess will be happy to be reunited, these two didn't exactly set the league afire in Denver, did they?

-they STILL don't have a solid, consistent defensive presence in the low post; even if McDyess lives up to expectations, defense isn't his strongsuit.

Nah, there's plenty to be pessimisitc about with this trade.

[Drbio]

maybe we could throw in Bradley somehow to play center for NY.

[Dooby]

That actually crossed my mind, Doc.

[Hoopsmeister]

good analysis Mavskiki.

New York is a shambles, and no matter how good McDyess is, he is not good enough to turn around that franchise as it stands now.

[MFFL]

<< I don't see how this is a bad trade for New York. >>



ESPN likes the trade a lot
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New York Knicks
Round 1: Frank Williams, 6-3, PG, Illinois (No. 25, via trade with Denver)
Round 2: Milos Vujanic, 6-2, PG, Yugoslavia (No. 36)
Deals: Obtained Williams and Antonio McDyess for No. 7 pick (Nene Hilario), Mark Jackson and Marcus Camby.

Scott Layden's back was against the wall. He doesn't believe you can rebuild in New York and he's probably right. So instead of grabbing a young Antonio McDyess in Chris Wilcox, he went for the real thing. He immediately added the All-Star power forward the team has coveted for years. Frank Williams may very well be the point guard of the future. And the Knicks might not be done. If they figure out a way to move Charlie Ward and Kurt Thomas for Nick Van Exel, they'll be a free agent center away from competing for the Eastern Conference title again. Unbelievable.

Grade: A-

[kg_veteran]

I agree with ESPN. A Van Exel for Thomas/Ward deal really helps the Knicks at this point. They then could add a FA center and be pretty formidable in the bad East.

[Dooby]

Who isn't a free agent center away from competing for the Eastern Conference title?

This is stupid NY homerism from the media. Camby was unreliable, injured, yada yada yada. Who has played more games in the last 2 years? McDyess or Camby? Answer: Camby.

Wait for the &quot;McDyess is younger&quot; comment. It is true, but McDyess has played one more year in the NBA, so at best, that is a wash.

[MFFL]

Camby was never an All-Star, McDyess was. McDyess also missed all of his games from ONE injury - Camby has had a multitude of injuries.

[MFFL]

Marty Burns from CNNSI gave this report
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B+

Parlayed their No. 7 pick, along with Marcus Camby and Mark Jackson, into all-star power forward Antonio McDyess and point guard prospect Frank Williams. If McDyess’ knees hold up, and they can land Keon Clark via free agency, it will have been worth it.

[Drbio]

Whoever is giving the Knicks an A- is on crack.

[kg_veteran]

To say that Camby's played &quot;more games in the last 2 years,&quot; while true, is misleading. McDyess had the one knee injury that knocked him out for a significant chunk of time, while Camby has been injured repeatedly. And McDyess is a far superior player.

[MFFL]

If you exclude last year for both players

McDyess has played in 432 of a possible 460 games - 94%

Camby has played in 294 of a possible 378 games - 77%

[Drbio]

ESPN Radio reported today the McDyess amy not even be able to play the first part of the year. The guy is fragile.

[DirkNash1341]

Anyone else here the fans in New York chanting &quot;Fire Layden!! Fire Layden!!&quot; right after the deal was announced?? Funny stuff.