02-02-2009, 09:28 PM
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Orlando Postgame: Is this it?
That's the question...is this it, is this the long awaited resurgence of the Mavs we've been waiting to see all year? Did it finally click?
The score was closer than it needed to be, but I'm still taking it away as this was a VERY good game from Dallas, they had the right strategy and they were very effective on offense. The score is misleading.
For the game tonight, it seemed like that was the hardest 20 + game I've seen from Dirk in a while...maybe the eye was giving him a ton of trouble, it just seemed like he kept nailing tough jumper after jumper and had to work really hard for it. The guy is simply amazing.
This is the 3rd game in a row where Dallas has really had control and it might've faltered for a bit but they held up for the duration. I think that's impressive based on our history and the fact that it's a league where no leads are safe.
Great job on keeping Orlando from getting hot from behind the arc. Sure we dodged bullets in the 2nd half but we created doubt early by giving tough looks and they never could get in a rhythm.
It seems over this stretch that the rest of the cast has given Dirk the help he needs...whether it's scoring or the roles have actually been filled to their potential. Wright is defending and slashing, Bass is bring punch of the bench, Damp is holding his own pretty well, Kidd is being Kidd and Howard is bringing what we need.
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So of course this comes at a critical time of the year. This run is coming right before the deadline. What do you do? I can see it being a tough sell to suggest making bigger moves right now as they're rolling but I still think you need to make moves.
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02-02-2009, 09:33 PM
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I don't think so. The Magic were atrocious behind the arc, when they are usually money there (I watched them take down the Flakers as such). If they hit half of their open shots, they probably win or make it closer than it was. I don't know what this team is, but I refuse to call them a contender until Donny does something to this roster.
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02-02-2009, 09:35 PM
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I don't think so. The Magic were atrocious behind the arc, when they are usually money there (I watched them take down the Flakers as such). If they hit half of their open shots, they probably win or make it closer than it was. I don't know what this team is, but I refuse to call them a contender until Donny does something to this roster.
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Dallas made a commitment to not giving wide open 3s, it faltered in the 2nd half but early on they made the effort and the shots weren't so easy. Teams usually will collapse on Howard and that leaves Howard to find the open man and they have good enough shooters to where they'll clearly hit a high percentage of shots. It's different when they stick on you.
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02-02-2009, 09:38 PM
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Dallas made a commitment to not giving wide open 3s, it faltered in the 2nd half but early on they made the effort and the shots weren't so easy. Teams usually will collapse on Howard and that leaves Howard to find the open man and they have good enough shooters to where they'll clearly hit a high percentage of shots. It's different when they stick on you.
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They were also assisted with the lights-out shooter Nelson getting injured.
I'm not dissing the Mavericks or trying to peepee on this parade, but I am just sick of raising my expectations and having them crushed. Unless Donnie changes my mind with a roster move, I don't think the Mavericks are a contender.
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02-02-2009, 11:32 PM
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I don't think so. The Magic were atrocious behind the arc, when they are usually money there (I watched them take down the Flakers as such). If they hit half of their open shots, they probably win or make it closer than it was. I don't know what this team is, but I refuse to call them a contender until Donny does something to this roster.
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This is true, but you can't just assume that a team is going to make all of its open shots. The Mavs sure as hell don't, and they missed some tonight.
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02-02-2009, 09:37 PM
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No, I would not say "this is it". We're still only 3 games removed from a 24 point shallacking @ Boston. We need more evidence and more games before we can jump to a conclusion like that.
The Magic were cold from behind the arc, and Jameer did get a dislocated shoulder, but give credit where its due. The Mavs did a pretty good job defending perimeter shots sacrificing Howard going for a monster game instead.
We won this game tonight, the Magic didn't give it to us.
Clutch shots by Dirk down the stretch, barea with some big buckets, Kidd controlled the tempo, Terry/Howard were alright. Hollins gave us some decent stuff, although in foul trouble.
Only complaints about tonight are some braindead plays (Dirk's foul, Wright's travel) and the 3-4 and 1's given up down the stretch. Other than that, well played game by our beloved Mavs.
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02-02-2009, 09:39 PM
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No, I would not say "this is it". We're still only 3 games removed from a 24 point shallacking @ Boston. We need more evidence and more games before we can jump to a conclusion like that.
The Magic were cold from behind the arc, and Jameer did get a dislocated shoulder, but give credit where its due. The Mavs did a pretty good job defending perimeter shots sacrificing Howard going for a monster game instead.
We won this game tonight, the Magic didn't give it to us.
Clutch shots by Dirk down the stretch, barea with some big buckets, Kidd controlled the tempo, Terry/Howard were alright. Hollins gave us some decent stuff, although in foul trouble.
Only complaints about tonight are some braindead plays (Dirk's foul, Wright's travel) and the 3-4 and 1's given up down the stretch. Other than that, well played game by our beloved Mavs.
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It's just an open-ended question.
It should be pretty friendly debate since it was a win.
I still won't buy the fact that Orlando was just cold tonight, I think Dallas deserves credit for that.
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02-02-2009, 09:41 PM
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It's just an open-ended question.
It should be pretty friendly debate since it was a win.
I still won't buy the fact that Orlando was just cold tonight, I think Dallas deserves credit for that.
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Why not? I don't know man. I saw a lot of open shots in the second half. They were clanking them or even air-balling them.
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02-02-2009, 09:46 PM
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Why not? I don't know man. I saw a lot of open shots in the second half. They were clanking them or even air-balling them.
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They were 1-7 or 1-8 at halftime...the job was already done and confidence was shaken by then. I said in the GDT, they dodged bullets but they're work early in the game paid off. Sure they had an off night but I'm giving Dallas credit for that, they had the right strategy tonight: Let Howard have his way and make sure you get them out of rhythm on 3 points and make them be contested shots.
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So what do you do now if the Mavs go to the trading deadline with Kidd being 7-0 before the trade deadline leading the play-calling?
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I would keep Kidd...?
Kidd was pretty much a lock for me to still be on this roster either way past the deadline. I haven't flip-flopped on that stance or anything.
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02-02-2009, 09:49 PM
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They were 1-7 or 1-8 at halftime...the job was already done and confidence was shaken by then. I said in the GDT, they dodged bullets but they're work early in the game paid off. Sure they had an off night but I'm giving Dallas credit for that, they had the right strategy tonight: Let Howard have his way and make sure you get them out of rhythm on 3 points and make them be contested shots.
I would keep Kidd...?
Kidd was pretty much a lock for me to still be on this roster either way past the deadline. I haven't flip-flopped on that stance or anything.
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Man, that is a tough one now. I just wish we could have had this whole first half of the season to see how it works with Kidd calling the plays and left to be free. I kinda think a winning streak before the trade deadline could cloud some judgments on what they planned to do a couple of weeks ago on trading Kidd and Howard?
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02-02-2009, 09:42 PM
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It's just an open-ended question.
It should be pretty friendly debate since it was a win.
I still won't buy the fact that Orlando was just cold tonight, I think Dallas deserves credit for that.
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So what do you do now if the Mavs go to the trading deadline with Kidd being 7-0 before the trade deadline leading the play-calling?
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02-02-2009, 09:38 PM
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The Mavs played well.
The Magic did get and miss a lot of open shots, though.
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02-03-2009, 06:51 AM
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The Mavs played well.
The Magic did get and miss a lot of open shots, though.
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and dallas shot all the open shots? i do not think so.
Dallas was just to good for orlando.
And i hope that it was just a start
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02-03-2009, 09:11 AM
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and dallas shot all the open shots? i do not think so.
Dallas was just to good for orlando.
And i hope that it was just a start
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All Dallas players are made out of gold on the inside. That is true. But that doesn't mean that Orlando wasn't playing like they only had 1 NBA player last night.
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02-02-2009, 09:40 PM
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This isn't it.
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02-02-2009, 09:41 PM
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I just want us to continue this current chemistry and keep rolling! This season is not over yet... look at how close the West actually is (again). I think we can beat any team if we keep playing the way we are. I just hope the teams has gotten that figured out by now.
A small trade (not involving Bass or any of the core) would be good at this point I think to fine tune our bench. That Felton addition for Diop+Stack would have been amazing. O well.
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02-02-2009, 09:42 PM
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Dirk is just a gangsta. He's hit more tough shots this year than ever before.
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02-02-2009, 09:42 PM
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I don't ask questions about road wins anymore
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02-02-2009, 09:43 PM
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For the record...as I said in the original post, I still think moves need to be made. But it's hard to scuff off the fact that you've seen a change in direction and that we've wanted to see some progression in consistency. I think we're starting to see it.
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02-02-2009, 09:45 PM
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For the record...as I said in the original post, I still think moves need to be made. But it's hard to scuff off the fact that you've seen a change in direction and that we've wanted to see some progression in consistency. I think we're starting to see it.
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Who would you trade?
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02-02-2009, 09:46 PM
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Who would you trade?
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Stack + George/Bass/Wright/Whoever
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Howard for someone who will give a damn.
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02-02-2009, 09:51 PM
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Stack + George/Bass/Wright/Whoever
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Howard for someone who will give a damn.
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I somewhat agree, but do we risk losing the Kidd contract advantage, and risk Kidd moving on next season? I am not sure if I would move Howard now that he is getting healthy. I just think if we go on this win streak there is going to be some stuff done under clouded judgement of a small sample of games with this new found freedom. What you think?
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02-02-2009, 09:54 PM
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I somewhat agree, but do we risk losing the Kidd contract advantage, and risk Kidd moving on next season? I am not sure if I would move Howard now that he is getting healthy. I just think if we go on this win streak there is going to be some stuff done under clouded judgement of a small sample of games with this new found freedom. What you think?
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I think the biggest cloud is on Josh. He's the one you really don't have a clue on what will happen. The other pieces mentioned (other than Kidd) seemed pretty matter of fact or something along those lines.
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02-02-2009, 09:56 PM
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I somewhat agree, but do we risk losing the Kidd contract advantage, and risk Kidd moving on next season? I am not sure if I would move Howard now that he is getting healthy. I just think if we go on this win streak there is going to be some stuff done under clouded judgement of a small sample of games with this new found freedom. What you think?
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Howard is not a playoff player. If the Mavericks want to have a good push into the post-season, they better get someone else who is either a low-post scorer or another lights-out shooter. Howard is too inconsistent for Dirk to rely on. I seriously doubt Cuban will trade him though because he is too much of a fan with clouded judgement. Just sad what this team has become. Even though they won against a great team, I know they are still not a contender.
EDIT: And I doubt they move Kidd unless they completely rip off a team, which it sounds they tried to do with Portland.
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02-02-2009, 09:47 PM
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Stack is an easy selection.
I think you can look at moving Bass as well...clearly he won't be moved alone, he'll be a complimentary piece. The only 3 people I realistically saw being moved are those 2 and Josh. I still think he's on the table.
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02-02-2009, 09:52 PM
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Stack is an easy selection.
I think you can look at moving Bass as well...clearly he won't be moved alone, he'll be a complimentary piece. The only 3 people I realistically saw being moved are those 2 and Josh. I still think he's on the table.
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Do we risk losing that Kidd contract trade bait, and risk losing him next season to a title contender?
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02-02-2009, 09:44 PM
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Regarding the Magic being cold though, what about those fluke BS hook shots Howard made? What about Howard's good FT shooting ... what about J-Ho missing two wide open threes himself?
The Mavs too, could've played better. Terry missed some gimmes, some bad turnovers. etc etc.
It goes both ways IMO.
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02-02-2009, 09:45 PM
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It makes me wonder if we can truly become Western Conference Champs again with the absence of a threatening center...Damp is great but compared to the Centers in the west...
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02-02-2009, 10:04 PM
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Nice win. See you next gd. I´ll take a Nabb :-)
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02-02-2009, 10:10 PM
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WHat "great" centers are out there anyway?
Teams dont give up "great" centers.
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02-02-2009, 10:30 PM
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WHat "great" centers are out there anyway?
Teams dont give up "great" centers.
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Exactly. And, so we don't do much at the trade deadline.
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02-02-2009, 10:12 PM
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Kidd owns.
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02-02-2009, 10:28 PM
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I just don't really see anyone signing a 36 year old point guard to a long term deal. Even if that PG is Jason Kidd.
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02-02-2009, 10:35 PM
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Beating an Orlando team on the road is always a good thing. I don't care how cold they might've been. This was a good win against a very good team.
I'm not near ready to say that this win is the one that's gonna get the ball rolling though. This team just has been so inconsistent that it's absolutely impossible to tell. I'm just gonna take it one game at a time.
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02-03-2009, 09:00 AM
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Beating an Orlando team on the road is always a good thing. I don't care how cold they might've been. This was a good win against a very good team.
I'm not near ready to say that this win is the one that's gonna get the ball rolling though. This team just has been so inconsistent that it's absolutely impossible to tell. I'm just gonna take it one game at a time.
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I was waiting for someone to point out the obvious... rep for you. Any win against a team that had only 4 losses at home is a very good win (unless Dirk were to get hurt or somesuch). This is a great win for the Mavs. Perhaps it's part of the process of turning this thing around. We'll have to wait and see.
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02-02-2009, 11:30 PM
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i remember a certain 03-04 team had a 9 game win streak before the deadline, and that didn't workout well. DONT BE FOOLED MARK!
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02-03-2009, 12:39 AM
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Big time win for the Mavs. I still don't know what this Mavs team is at this point but I think it will be a little clearer on how they play next game. They've had these big wins and turn around and get their ass kicked by 30 points as if those wins were flukes. I look at tonight and clearly the Mavs won because the Magic live and die by the 3 and tonight they died going 3-20. But I can't really credit the Mavs for doing that because the majority of those were open. But the Mavs win and if they're going to make a push into the post season the time is now to show consistency atleast. Whether its consistently playing good or consistently playing bad. But atleast we'll know what this team is.
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02-03-2009, 02:24 AM
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This mini-turnaround allows us to be more selective and wait for the right deal. Except as regards Kidd. Obviously that decision is coming sooner. It would be nice to move J-Ho or Stack but now there isn't a sense of desperation and we might could get more for them in the offseason anyway. Fascinating how many scenarios we've entertained this season though. Maybe in absence of something better we trade Stack for Watson and send Watson and change to Charlotte for Felton in a sign and trade this summer. We seem to have a good relationship with their FO. And if Larry Brown fancies an undervalued player that fits his system he'll find a way. He's proven that. Presti, on the other hand, has one foot still in SA, not sure he's someone we can deal with. It's good to feel like we once again have the upper hand in these trade talks. If only we'd taken this approach in the Harris for Kidd saga...
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02-03-2009, 02:59 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised if Matt Carroll and Stackhouse where all traded at the deadline, Matt for Earl Watson and then Stackhouse + filler for Mike Miller...I wouldn't be surprised if these deals went down, Oh and I did read somewhere that the Mavs where looking for a Pg to be the successor to Jason Kidd like Beno Udrih like someone said in this thread.
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02-03-2009, 05:54 AM
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The Mavs looked good. Maybe it's time to make a run like the Houston Rockets did last year when they won like 20+ games in a row.
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