04-29-2013, 08:44 PM
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Chris Broussard is for lack of a better word a bigot
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04-30-2013, 02:43 AM
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Only if you think fundamentalist Christians are bigots... That's up to interpretation.
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04-30-2013, 07:29 AM
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Only if you think fundamentalist Christians are bigots... That's up to interpretation.
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I'd like to think if you make bigoted statements then you are a bigot.
There are a lot of denominations of Christianity that don't believe these things. People just find the parts of any religion they like to support their own preconceived bigotries and biases. He is using religion as an excuse to be a bigot.
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04-30-2013, 10:24 AM
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Does everyone have to support this announcement?
I completely respect Jason Collins for his courage to "come out", but have little respect for anyone that isn’t willing to accept opposing views on the issue.
I stand with and support Chris Broussard.
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04-30-2013, 11:54 AM
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Does everyone have to support this announcement?
I completely respect Jason Collins for his courage to "come out", but have little respect for anyone that isn’t willing to accept opposing views on the issue.
I stand with and support Chris Broussard.
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Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism. He can say whatever bigoted hateful things he wants to, but I have a first amendment right to call him out on his bigotry.
And I have little respect for people who stand with bigots.
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04-30-2013, 01:23 PM
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nevermind
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04-30-2013, 03:43 PM
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Lev_20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
1Ki 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
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I stand with the Bible. I stand with God - the creator, and his son Jesus Christ who is my King.
I could care less how you think of me.
I don't hate any man as it is not my place to judge. That does not make being gay any less of an abomination.
We are all sinners though so hate the sin, but love the sinner. Pray for him to change.
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04-30-2013, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dalmations202
I stand with the Bible. I stand with God - the creator, and his son Jesus Christ who is my King.
I could care less how you think of me.
I don't hate any man as it is not my place to judge. That does not make being gay any less of an abomination.
We are all sinners though so hate the sin, but love the sinner. Pray for him to change.
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Do you really? 75 things banned in the book of Leviticus:
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1. Burning any yeast or honey in offerings to God (2:11)
2. Failing to include salt in offerings to God (2:13)
3. Eating fat (3:17)
4. Eating blood (3:17)
5. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve witnessed (5:1)
6. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve been told about (5:1)
7. Touching an unclean animal (5:2)
8. Carelessly making an oath (5:4)
9. Deceiving a neighbour about something trusted to them (6:2)
10. Finding lost property and lying about it (6:3)
11. Bringing unauthorised fire before God (10:1)
12. Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6)
13. Tearing your clothes (10:6)
14. Drinking alcohol in holy places (10:9)
15. Eating an animal which doesn’t both chew cud and has a divided hoof (cf: camel, rabbit, pig) (11:4-7)
16. Touching the carcass of any of the above (11:8)
17. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any seafood without fins or scales (11:10-12)
18. Eating – or touching the carcass of - eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (11:13-19)
19. Eating – or touching the carcass of – flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22)
20. Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (11:27)
21. Eating – or touching the carcass of – the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon (11:29)
22. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any creature which crawls on many legs, or its belly (11:41-42)
23. Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy (12:4)
24. Going to church within 66 days after giving birth to a girl (12:5)
25. Having sex with your mother (18:7)
26. Having sex with your father’s wife (18:8)
27. Having sex with your sister (18:9)
28. Having sex with your granddaughter (18:10)
29. Having sex with your half-sister (18:11)
30. Having sex with your biological aunt (18:12-13)
31. Having sex with your uncle’s wife (18:14)
32. Having sex with your daughter-in-law (18:15)
33. Having sex with your sister-in-law (18:16)
34. Having sex with a woman and also having sex with her daughter or granddaughter (18:17)
35. Marrying your wife’s sister while your wife still lives (18:18)
36. Having sex with a woman during her period (18:19)
37. Having sex with your neighbour’s wife (18:20)
38. Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek (18:21)
39. Having sex with a man “as one does with a woman” (18:22)
40. Having sex with an animal (18:23)
41. Making idols or “metal gods” (19:4)
42. Reaping to the very edges of a field (19:9)
43. Picking up grapes that have fallen in your = vineyard (19:10)
44. Stealing (19:11)
45. Lying (19:11)
46. Swearing falsely on God’s name (19:12)
47. Defrauding your neighbour (19:13)
48. Holding back the wages of an employee overnight (19:13)
49. Cursing the deaf or abusing the blind (19:14)
50. Perverting justice, showing partiality to either the poor or the rich (19:15)
51. Spreading slander (19:16)
52. Doing anything to endanger a neighbour’s life (19:16)
53. Seeking revenge or bearing a grudge (19:18)
54. Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19)
55. Cross-breeding animals (19:19)
56. Planting different seeds in the same field (19:19)
57. Sleeping with another man’s slave (19:20)
58. Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23)
59. Practising divination or seeking omens (tut, tut astrology) (19:26)
60. Trimming your beard (19:27)
61. Cutting your hair at the sides (19:27)
62. Getting tattoos (19:28)
63. Making your daughter prostitute herself (19:29)
64. Turning to mediums or spiritualists (19:31)
65. Not standing in the presence of the elderly (19:32)
66. Mistreating foreigners – “the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born” (19:33-34)
67. Using dishonest weights and scales (19:35-36)
68. Cursing your father or mother (punishable by death) (20:9)
69. Marrying a prostitute, divorcee or widow if you are a priest (21:7,13)
70. Entering a place where there’s a dead body as a priest (21:11)
71. Slaughtering a cow/sheep and its young on the same day (22:28)
72. Working on the Sabbath (23:3)
73. Blasphemy (punishable by stoning to death) (24:14)
74. Inflicting an injury; killing someone else’s animal; killing a person must be punished in kind (24:17-22)
75. Selling land permanently (25:23)
76. Selling an Israelite as a slave (foreigners are fine) (25:42)
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I hope you've never done any of those things (which the normal person possibly does every day)... if you have, you are an abomination in your own eyes.
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05-01-2013, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by spreedom
Do you really? 75 things banned in the book of Leviticus:
I hope you've never done any of those things (which the normal person possibly does every day)... if you have, you are an abomination in your own eyes.
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LOL.......... I am the chief of sinners. I am just smart enough to realize it, and understand repentance, and understand that I need Jesus.
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04-30-2013, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dalmations202
Lev_20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
1Ki 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
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I stand with the Bible. I stand with God - the creator, and his son Jesus Christ who is my King.
I could care less how you think of me.
I don't hate any man as it is not my place to judge. That does not make being gay any less of an abomination.
We are all sinners though so hate the sin, but love the sinner. Pray for him to change.
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And if he doesn't change you believe he will spend eternity in hellfire? Wow. Really showing the love their man. If that is how you show your love, then please don't love me.
And do you stand by these verses:
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Matthew 5:32
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
Tim 2:12
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05-01-2013, 09:10 AM
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And if he doesn't change you believe he will spend eternity in hellfire? Wow. Really showing the love their man. If that is how you show your love, then please don't love me.
And do you stand by these verses:
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Matthew 5:32
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
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No, I don't believe he will spend eternity in hellfire as he is not an eternal being. Eternal life is a gift....not a given.
yes, I stand by all the verses in the bible.
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05-01-2013, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by dalmations202
No, I don't believe he will spend eternity in hellfire as he is not an eternal being. Eternal life is a gift....not a given.
yes, I stand by all the verses in the bible.
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Even the really stupid ones?
Religion is creepy.
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05-01-2013, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by spreedom
Even the really stupid ones?
Religion is creepy.
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That's what's called being a fundamentalist.
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05-01-2013, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SeanL
And do you stand by these verses:
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Matthew 5:32
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
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absolutely stand by that - and to see what else I agree with please visit AustinBibleChurch.com
http://austinbiblechurch.com/
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05-01-2013, 05:56 PM
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05-01-2013, 07:18 PM
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Standing behind your religion doesn't make you any less of a bigot in this case.
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04-30-2013, 04:08 PM
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Do you know how many stupid verses are in the Bible? There's legit pornography in this so-called book of God.
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04-30-2013, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MavsFTR
There's legit pornography in this so-called book of God.
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04-30-2013, 05:20 PM
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Grab some toilet paper and lotion: Ezekiel 23.
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05-01-2013, 07:38 PM
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Do you stand by this?
Corinthians 11:6
If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.
Does your mother, wife, sister, or daughter cover their heads? If not, do God's will and go cut off their hair.
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05-02-2013, 09:54 AM
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These days being a fan is a competition to see who can be the most upset when
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05-02-2013, 10:28 AM
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Really no other way to look at it.
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05-02-2013, 01:24 PM
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The hand jobs were reportedly inept.
Westboro Baptist Church pickets Rockets v. Thunder last night in OKC to protest the NBA's having a gay player.
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05-02-2013, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by spreedom
Really no other way to look at it.
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Unless we can't possibly live a good (enough) life.
What matters is not your opinion, or my opinion, or Marcus Aurelius's opinion, or Chris Broussard's opinion. What matters is what is actually true.
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05-02-2013, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Some Guy
Unless we can't possibly live a good (enough) life.
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Then what's the point of even existing at all, from a religious perspective?
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Originally Posted by Some Guy
What matters is not your opinion, or my opinion, or Marcus Aurelius's opinion, or Chris Broussard's opinion. What matters is what is actually true.
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Please proceed.
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05-02-2013, 05:30 PM
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Then what's the point of even existing at all, from a religious perspective?
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From a religious perspective, that depends on the religion.
From a "what is actually true" perspective - that would depend on what is actually true.
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Please proceed.
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I was not trying to argue for a particular worldview. Just pointing out a flaw/gap in the proposition.
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05-02-2013, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Some Guy
Unless we can't possibly live a good (enough) life.
What matters is not your opinion, or my opinion, or Marcus Aurelius's opinion, or Chris Broussard's opinion. What matters is what is actually true.
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Truth. Jason Collins is gay. Broussard is not a fan. The rest is opinion.
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05-02-2013, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by FreshJive
Truth. Jason Collins is gay. Broussard is not a fan. The rest is opinion.
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Jews are another religion. Hitler is not a fan. The rest is just opinion.
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05-02-2013, 02:09 PM
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Don't know if this image will be clear but is this from LA Times story.
QUESTION was: Were ESPN analyst Chris Broussard's remarks offensive?
YES - 30% of votes cast (1,285 votes)
NO - 70% of votes cast (3,028 votes)
LINK - http://www.latimes.com/sports/sports...,4496676.story
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05-02-2013, 08:24 PM
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Don't know if this image will be clear but is this from LA Times story.
QUESTION was: Were ESPN analyst Chris Broussard's remarks offensive?
YES - 30% of votes cast (1,285 votes)
NO - 70% of votes cast (3,028 votes)
LINK - http://www.latimes.com/sports/sports...,4496676.story
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We are talking about an internet poll right?
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05-02-2013, 02:26 PM
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What has the world come to when people give 2-craps about a sportswriter's opinion on anything. I'd almost rather hear what justin beiber has for breakfast.
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What has the world come to when people give 2-craps about a sportswriter's opinion on anything. I'd almost rather hear what justin beiber has for breakfast.
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The topic just went from "gay" to "too gay" - I don't think America is ready for that conversation yet...
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05-02-2013, 08:24 PM
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The topic just went from "gay" to "too gay" - I don't think America is ready for that conversation yet...
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The Biebs is the straights problem. Gays are not responsible for him.
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05-02-2013, 10:57 PM
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Simply saying you think homosexuality is a sin doesn't make anyone a bigot. Some people are perfectly capable of maintaining healthy relationships and friendships with people that don't share the same belief system. It's a foundation of our country.
If Broussard refuses to associate with homosexuals, refuses to treat them with respect and courtesy, then he's a bigot. But answering a question honestly doesn't necessarily make him one.
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05-03-2013, 09:18 AM
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If Broussard refuses to associate with homosexuals, refuses to treat them with respect and courtesy, then he's a bigot. But answering a question honestly doesn't necessarily make him one.
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exactly - why I didn't agree with original thread post. Not a bigot and I thought Chris B answered it well and subsequent comments by him also indicate there is not any bigotry in his statement or his conduct for anyone who is gay.
I had a step-brother who was gay and died of aids in 1984, a close relative who is gay, some friends who are gay, a fellow church member who is gay, a few co-workers who are gay. Friendly to all of them - and I pray for them.
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05-03-2013, 02:04 PM
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"Now y'all have a nice weekend, y'hear? I'll be prayin' for ya."
I've never thought much of Broussard, and I don't intend this as a defense of him, but from the first time I saw that exchange on OTL, I thought that the roots of the problem went well beyond him. The question was a total set-up, and his opinion about Jason Collins' professed Christianity was as irrelevant and inappropriate on a sports-oriented talk show as a lascivious discussion of Beyoncé's curves would be in a Sunday sermon.
I thought Ben Shapiro tagged a lot of the issues here:
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One (issue) is why on earth did ESPN feel the need to manufacture (and make no mistake about it, the pairing of Granderson and Broussard could not have been coincidental) a vitriol driven debate that ultimately lent a platform to views that are divisive and intolerant?
The other issue is one far more controversial than an openly gay player in the NBA. That issue is why do people in this Nation continue to embrace and defend extreme fundamentalist christian views that are unabashedly bigoted?
Not all Christians are in line with the views expressed by Broussard. In fact both LZ Granderson and Jason Collins are practicing Christians. This isn't a Christian issue as much as it is a fundamentalist Christian issue.
While it was nice that Broussard was insistent on mentioning that he viewed all people, gay or straight who engage in pre-maritial sex as sinners and in open-rebellion against god, that declaration does beg the question: "What era are you living in?"
Broussard and others who share the same views have every right to those views. We have freedom of religion in this nation, and that freedom must be applied to even those who we disagree with.
Freedom to practice one's religion is not the same as freedom to practice one's religion without having to put up with opposing and critical view points.
As a non-religious individual I find almost all religions to be somewhat archaic. There's still a huge difference between the Christianity practiced by Granderson and Collins which clearly does not exclude them due to their sexuality, and what Broussard subscribes to, which regardless of Broussard's personal feelings, unquestionably promotes homophobia.
The solutions to these problems won't be found in firing or punishing Chris Broussard.
Broussard is ultimately just another symptom of some far greater problems.
There are television networks who thrive not on reporting news, but on making news. ESPN's Outside The Lines program didn't report on any new angle dealing with Jason Collins and his bold and courageous decision.
In fact, up until ESPN aired Outside The Lines on Monday, the response to Collins declaration had been almost unanimously positive. Perhaps sensing that their programming wouldn't be able to report on any juicy stories of conflict over Collins coming out, they instead decided to create some of their own?
The station almost went so far as to own up to that charge when they released an apology not just for Broussard's remarks, but for the content of the entire program, and the controversy that it stirred up.
The other problem of course is that Chris Broussard practices a form of Christianity that promotes narrow-minded, and ultimately destructive viewpoints.
Telling an entire segment of the population that they can't get married, are living in sin, and are living in rebellion to god does absolutely nothing to bring the nation together.
To somehow imply that these people are entitled to their opinions, is a nice and easy way to skirt the issue.
What if their opinions were that interracial marriage was a rebellion against god? What about segregated schools? Embracing people who consistently disseminate biased and bigoted viewpoints because of their religion doesn't promote freedom of religion, it promotes religious conflict.
Do people such as Chris Broussard have a right to practice their religion and defend it? Of course they do, but that right doesn't protect them from critique, it doesn't protect them from being called out for their beliefs either.
Chris Broussard is a proud, born-again Christian, good for him. He's also promoting homophobia, and that's bad for all of us.
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I agree with Shapiro that firing Broussard doesn't really seem to accomplish much. No point making him a martyr, and his views are so clownishly repugnant and transparently hypocritical that he does a lot to make his strain of fundamentalism terminally unappealing.
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Simply saying you think homosexuality is a sin doesn't make anyone a bigot.
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This says what you think bigotry isn't. What do you think the definition of bigotry is?
A person doesn't have to be committing physical violence against other people to be a bigot. I know plenty of little old sweet-smiled church ladies who will coo the Bible at you in sugared voices, but who don't regard you as their social equal (and will say so behind closed doors), and will vote to deny you your rights. And they're bigots, two-faced, hypocritical bigots. It's about attitudes, not just actions. And one of their favorite (passive-aggressive) ways of voicing and reinforcing their bigoted attitudes is to say that they'll 'pray for you', (as if you're defective) piously, self-righteously lifting themselves up, the better to look down on you--eye, speck, and plank. Just like this:
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And then, like clockwork, you get some sniveling coward who comes wobbling up to put the fake-victim cap on:
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Most of the bigotry I see in this thread is the bigotry towards Christians.
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pretending that it's not fundamentalist evangelicals who invariably hurl the first stone, then shriek like a pig with a large pointed stick up his a$$ that they're being attacked when their targets defend themselves.
You can search this forum in vain for a single scripturally-based condemnation of Dirk's living with Crystal "Meth" Taylor prior to marriage, in open defiant rebellion to God. You won't find it (nor in my opinion, should you) You will, however, find countless posts and threads (by some of the very same hypocrites here "standing with Broussard" and defending his bigotry) extolling Dirk's greatness, despite the fact that he has lived his life with a different set of values to those of fundamentalist evangelicals. Double-standard?
But let one NBA player announce that he's gay (not that he's DOING anything, just that he exists and has existed for the last 12 years as an NBA player) and you get a nimrod talking head like Broussard condemning him as a sinner, and then like little scripture-spewing roaches, people scurrying out to "stand with Broussard" and "stand with scripture". That isn't just a double-standard, that is laughable hypocrisy.
It's a little like a hen's tooth search in the bible for verses condemning religious bigotry, because if you take away the double standards, hypocrisy, and bigotry from fundamental evangelicalism, what're you left with? A religion that's a lot less useful as a tool of coercion and control? What do they call that one? I might be interested, at least intellectually.
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05-03-2013, 03:22 PM
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his views are so clownishly repugnant and transparently hypocritical that he does a lot to make his strain of fundamentalism terminally unappealing.
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pretending that it's not fundamentalist evangelicals who invariably hurl the first stone, then shriek like a pig with a large pointed stick up his a$$ that they're being attacked when their targets defend themselves.
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a nimrod talking head like Broussard condemning him as a sinner, and then like little scripture-spewing roaches, people scurrying out to "stand with Broussard" and "stand with scripture". That isn't just a double-standard, that is laughable hypocrisy.
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That is a great example of bigotry. Thanks for clearing it up.
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05-03-2013, 03:26 PM
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That is a great example of bigotry. Thanks for clearing it up.
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With apologies to the pig, I'm glad to've provided food for thought.
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05-04-2013, 02:02 AM
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This says what you think bigotry isn't. What do you think the definition of bigotry is?
A person doesn't have to be committing physical violence against other people to be a bigot. I know plenty of little old sweet-smiled church ladies who will coo the Bible at you in sugared voices, but who don't regard you as their social equal (and will say so behind closed doors), and will vote to deny you your rights. And they're bigots, two-faced, hypocritical bigots. It's about attitudes, not just actions. And one of their favorite (passive-aggressive) ways of voicing and reinforcing their bigoted attitudes is to say that they'll 'pray for you', (as if you're defective) piously, self-righteously lifting themselves up, the better to look down on you--eye, speck, and plank. Just like this
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Obviously bigotry doesn't require physical violence of any kind. And it's quite possible that Broussard is in fact, a bigot, who thinks less of homosexuals. But simply saying that you believe something to be wrong doesn't make you one. It is, indeed, all about attitude.
As others have pointed out, some of your comments certainly might lead someone to believe that you're completely bigoted against anyone that might call themselves a fundamental Christian. If you hear that someone has strong religious beliefs, do you automatically assume that they are pious and self-righteous, as stated above? If so, then you are yourself a bigot. If you required proof of said self righteousness before judging someone then I would say that you are not.
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05-02-2013, 11:17 PM
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Also, citing Levitical law to uphold your opinion is a waste of time and breath, unless you're also down with owning slaves and punishing people for sleeping with their wives while they're on their period.
If you're going to denounce homosexuality, at least use the verses in the New Testament, it makes for a far more interesting debate.
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