07-12-2009, 07:57 AM
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I have a feeling this team is going to be really good next year. Really good.
The lineup is going to be great and it is a team built around Dirk and his talents. Athletes, length, shooting, defense, versatility, I.Q., rebounding, height, you name it.
Jason Kidd, Josh Howard, Shawn Marion, Dirk Nowitzki, Marcin Gortat along with the best sixth man of the year, Jason Terry. That is a wicked top 6. And oh yeah, Rick F'ing Carlisle.
This, barring injuries, is going to be a GREAT team. A 64 win regular season type team and a 7 game series against the Lakers with home court advantage type team.
I'm excited.
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07-12-2009, 08:12 AM
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Preach!!
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07-12-2009, 08:15 AM
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Kidd/Terry/Howard/Marion/Gortat
That's a damn fine lineup - now add Dirk...
(boy, it's easy to take that guy for granted - nice to see they've finally put a team around him!)
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07-12-2009, 09:04 AM
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Is this the best Dallas roster (on paper) of all-time?
I think yes.
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07-12-2009, 10:48 AM
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Doesn't look like we will have Gortat now why does this always happen to us?
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07-12-2009, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mavs777
Doesn't look like we will have Gortat now why does this always happen to us?
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Yeah, some dude on a Magic message board posted that we aren't getting Gortat, so that obviously must be true.
I'm going to trust the professional newspaper reporter who says we are getting him, until he's proven wrong.
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07-12-2009, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LonghornDub
Yeah, some dude on a Magic message board posted that we aren't getting Gortat, so that obviously must be true.
I'm going to trust the professional newspaper reporter who says we are getting him, until he's proven wrong.
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just pp, anyways I am now kind of concerned because Otis seems to think he can get him and use his trade value and ship him elsewhere, there are reports coming out of different places Magic expect to match, hope I am wrong though.
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07-12-2009, 02:05 PM
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just pp, anyways I am now kind of concerned because Otis seems to think he can get him and use his trade value and ship him elsewhere, there are reports coming out of different places Magic expect to match, hope I am wrong though.
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What the hell is "pp"?
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07-12-2009, 02:06 PM
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What the hell is "pp"?
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This made me laugh.
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07-12-2009, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LonghornDub
What the hell is "pp"?
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pepe? jk post padding
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07-12-2009, 03:36 PM
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Doesn't look like we will have Gortat now why does this always happen to us?
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is that you horse?
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07-12-2009, 05:22 PM
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is that you horse?
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I dont know why every time, u guy always think it's me?
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07-12-2009, 10:51 AM
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Another first round or perhaps second round exit, if you ask me. Other teams are getting much better
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07-12-2009, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by vRookie
Another first round or perhaps second round exit, if you ask me. Other teams are getting much better
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Agreed.
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Originally Posted by ddh33
I'm not sure how many fans realize how much overachieving this team has done this decade.
If this lineup overachieves, great things could be happening.
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Agree on this point as well. I think fans see we were a 50 win team with that atrocious team we had last season but fact is we overachieved. We may be a better team this year and may still get around 50 wins. I do think this team is definately better than last years. I still don't think we should stand pat though. I still think we should look to make some moves because as of right now we're good enough to compete but I wouldn't be shocked if we had another 1st or 2nd round exit either.
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07-12-2009, 06:50 PM
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Agreed.
Agree on this point as well. I think fans see we were a 50 win team with that atrocious team we had last season but fact is we overachieved. We may be a better team this year and may still get around 50 wins. I do think this team is definately better than last years. I still don't think we should stand pat though. I still think we should look to make some moves because as of right now we're good enough to compete but I wouldn't be shocked if we had another 1st or 2nd round exit either.
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50 wins is overachieving?? Dude, c'mon. I don't think you can accuse a team of overachieving when they were clinging to the eighth seed for most of the year.
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07-12-2009, 06:58 PM
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50 wins is overachieving?? Dude, c'mon. I don't think you can accuse a team of overachieving when they were clinging to the eighth seed for most of the year.
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And it's not overachieving when 50+ wins happens nine seasons in a row.
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07-12-2009, 08:01 PM
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And it's not overachieving when 50+ wins happens nine seasons in a row.
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boooyaaaaaah! that's what I'm talkin' bout :-)
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07-13-2009, 12:05 PM
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50 wins is overachieving?? Dude, c'mon. I don't think you can accuse a team of overachieving when they were clinging to the eighth seed for most of the year.
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I thought the Mavs won about 10 games last season that they should've lost. They overachieved. They're record against teams above .500 was horrible before the all star break. I'm not sure what it ended up being but they clearly had problems beating teams with winning records. And i've never seen a contender lose so many games by 20+. And some of those losses came against teams like the Bucks. Not to mention Josh missed a significant amount of time. I never once got the sense that this team was a good 50 win team. But maybe 50 wins means nothing in the NBA anymore.But I remember there was a time when that meant you were a contender.
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And it's not overachieving when 50+ wins happens nine seasons in a row.
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I disagree. If we had the same roster we had in those 9 straight seasons I would get your point. But this isn't the team that went to the Finals 3 years ago. They overachieved. How else can you explain how this team has two 1st round losses and a 2nd round exit the past 3 years? Unless we're just a regular season team.
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07-13-2009, 02:08 PM
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I thought the Mavs won about 10 games last season that they should've lost. They overachieved.
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Funny, because I thought they lost a crapload of games that they should have won. Honestly? Overachieved. That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in ages. Wasn't this team playing so crappily at one point that a lot of us were questioning their motivation? Seriously, the notion is just plain absurd.
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They're record against teams above .500 was horrible before the all star break. I'm not sure what it ended up being but they clearly had problems beating teams with winning records. And i've never seen a contender lose so many games by 20+. And some of those losses came against teams like the Bucks.
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How does this make sense? You say they overachieved, and then you point out how lost so many games to bad teams.... And who the hell ever said they were contenders?
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Not to mention Josh missed a significant amount of time. I never once got the sense that this team was a good 50 win team. But maybe 50 wins means nothing in the NBA anymore.But I remember there was a time when that meant you were a contender.
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When did 50 wins EVER make you a contender? Not in recent history, that's for sure. Not in the western conference anyway. 60 wins is a contender. In the western conference over the past decade, 50 wins is third tier.
Honestly, dude, honestly... overachieved??? Last year? You and I must have VERY different definition of overachieving. Seriously. The Cavs overachieved last year. The Mavs, not even close.
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07-12-2009, 12:27 PM
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I'm not sure how many fans realize how much overachieving this team has done this decade.
If this lineup overachieves, great things could be happening.
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07-12-2009, 12:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ddh33
I'm not sure how many fans realize how much overachieving this team has done this decade.
If this lineup overachieves, great things could be happening.
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Good point, when you looked at last years team on paper no way should we have been one of last 8 standing.
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07-12-2009, 12:28 PM
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Why is JaJuan Smith not playing in the Summer League?
Why did Shan Foster not play last night? Why is Calathes not playing also?
Thanks
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07-12-2009, 02:39 PM
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Dirk looked a step slower last year. I kinda have my doubts that we'll see the same Dallas due to Dirk not being quite as efficient as he used to be. We need Gortat badly though. Otherwise expect a lot of small ball.
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07-12-2009, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
Dirk looked a step slower last year. I kinda have my doubts that we'll see the same Dallas due to Dirk not being quite as efficient as he used to be. We need Gortat badly though. Otherwise expect a lot of small ball.
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If a step slower = All NBA 1st Team
I'll take it
Could another step slower = Championship
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07-12-2009, 03:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
Dirk looked a step slower last year. I kinda have my doubts that we'll see the same Dallas due to Dirk not being quite as efficient as he used to be. We need Gortat badly though. Otherwise expect a lot of small ball.
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07-12-2009, 03:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
Dirk looked a step slower last year. I kinda have my doubts that we'll see the same Dallas due to Dirk not being quite as efficient as he used to be. We need Gortat badly though. Otherwise expect a lot of small ball.
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Dirk's game has always been completely dependent on speed like Barbosa's-- oh wait.
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07-12-2009, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
Dirk looked a step slower last year. I kinda have my doubts that we'll see the same Dallas due to Dirk not being quite as efficient as he used to be.
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You're kidding, right?
07-08 (regular season): 23.6 PPG / .479 FG% / .359 3P% / .879 FT% / 8.6 RPG / 3.5 APG / 0.7 SPG / 0.9 BPG / 1.94 TO / 2.60 PF / 36.0 MPG
08-09 (regular season): 25.9 PPG / .479 FG% / .359 3P% / .890 FT% / 8.4 RPG / 2.4 APG / 0.8 SPG / 0.8 BPG / 1.93 TO / 2.20 PF / 37.7 MPG
07-08 (playoffs): 26.8 PPG / .473 FG% / .333 3P% / .808 FT% / 12.0 RPG / 4.0 APG / 0.2 SPG / 1.4 BPG / 2.00 TO / 2.60 PF / 42.2 MPG (5 games)
08-09 (playoffs): 26.8 PPG / .518 FG% / .286 3P% / .925 FT% / 10.1 RPG / 3.1 APG / 0.9 SPG / 0.8 BPG / 2.30 TO / 2.10 PF / 39.4 MPG (10 games)
Dirk's assists, rebounds and 3P% were down from last season, but rebounding is the only stat out of those three that could indicate him losing a step (although, you'd fully expect his assists/rebounds to take a dip with Kidd on the squad...)
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07-12-2009, 04:38 PM
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You're kidding, right?
07-08 (regular season): 23.6 PPG / .479 FG% / .359 3P% / .879 FT% / 8.6 RPG / 3.5 APG / 0.7 SPG / 0.9 BPG / 1.94 TO / 2.60 PF / 36.0 MPG
08-09 (regular season): 25.9 PPG / .479 FG% / .359 3P% / .890 FT% / 8.4 RPG / 2.4 APG / 0.8 SPG / 0.8 BPG / 1.93 TO / 2.20 PF / 37.7 MPG
07-08 (playoffs): 26.8 PPG / .473 FG% / .333 3P% / .808 FT% / 12.0 RPG / 4.0 APG / 0.2 SPG / 1.4 BPG / 2.00 TO / 2.60 PF / 42.2 MPG (5 games)
08-09 (playoffs): 26.8 PPG / .518 FG% / .286 3P% / .925 FT% / 10.1 RPG / 3.1 APG / 0.9 SPG / 0.8 BPG / 2.30 TO / 2.10 PF / 39.4 MPG (10 games)
Dirk's assists, rebounds and 3P% were down from last season, but rebounding is the only stat out of those three that could indicate him losing a step (although, you'd fully expect his assists/rebounds to take a dip with Kidd on the squad...)
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Dirk obviously has one foot in his nba grave...
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07-12-2009, 04:49 PM
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Dirk obviously has one foot in his nba grave...
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Dirk's physical resilience and ability to keep adding to his toolbox are going to keep him a cut above the rest of the NBA for another 3-5 seasons (I can see him pulling a Reggie Miller by being a threat on the court until he's 40...)
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07-12-2009, 05:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog
Dirk's physical resilience and ability to keep adding to his toolbox are going to keep him a cut above the rest of the NBA for another 3-5 seasons (I can see him pulling a Reggie Miller by being a threat on the court until he's 40...)
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I really hope he wants to stay in the NBA as a Reggie type player late in his career.. He'd be so effective, especially with the added height to get that 3 ball off.
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07-12-2009, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Underdog
You're kidding, right?
07-08 (regular season): 23.6 PPG / .479 FG% / .359 3P% / .879 FT% / 8.6 RPG / 3.5 APG / 0.7 SPG / 0.9 BPG / 1.94 TO / 2.60 PF / 36.0 MPG
08-09 (regular season): 25.9 PPG / .479 FG% / .359 3P% / .890 FT% / 8.4 RPG / 2.4 APG / 0.8 SPG / 0.8 BPG / 1.93 TO / 2.20 PF / 37.7 MPG
07-08 (playoffs): 26.8 PPG / .473 FG% / .333 3P% / .808 FT% / 12.0 RPG / 4.0 APG / 0.2 SPG / 1.4 BPG / 2.00 TO / 2.60 PF / 42.2 MPG (5 games)
08-09 (playoffs): 26.8 PPG / .518 FG% / .286 3P% / .925 FT% / 10.1 RPG / 3.1 APG / 0.9 SPG / 0.8 BPG / 2.30 TO / 2.10 PF / 39.4 MPG (10 games)
Dirk's assists, rebounds and 3P% were down from last season, but rebounding is the only stat out of those three that could indicate him losing a step (although, you'd fully expect his assists/rebounds to take a dip with Kidd on the squad...)
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Far from the year of his MVP level game. For those who think last year was close to his best I gotta disagree big time.
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07-12-2009, 05:17 PM
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His FGA was sick in his MVP year. I hope he finds his three back. Dont know to where that dissapeared over the years...he way too often decline the open three to make seconds later his sick unbalanced fade away
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07-12-2009, 05:25 PM
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Far from the year of his MVP level game. For those who think last year was close to his best I gotta disagree big time.
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Dirk's MVP year-
24.6 ppg/.502 fg%/.416 3pt%/.904 ft%/8.9 rpg/.7 spg/.8 bpg/ 2.14 TO/2.20 PF/36.2 MPG
Far from the year of his mvp level game??? Pretty damn similar actually. Sure his percentages were down a bit, but I think you can attribute that to his supporting cast being the crappiest it's been in recent years rather than any physical decline on his part. Dirk hasn't lost a step, and you don't have a leg to stand on.
Edit: For the record, I'm not saying that last year was Dirk's best, but to suggest that there has been any kind of noticeable decline in his game is just silly. He's got several all-nba level years left in him, because the game he plays nowadays is one that favors longevity. It's not like 04-05 when he charged to the rim with no regard for his own well being. These days it's all pump-fakes and turnaround jumpers. Not terribly taxing physically.
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07-12-2009, 05:05 PM
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Dirk looked a step slower last year. I kinda have my doubts that we'll see the same Dallas due to Dirk not being quite as efficient as he used to be.
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Hollinger ranked Dirk the 9th most efficient player in the NBA last season...
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07-12-2009, 05:10 PM
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With Marion playing PF too and the 4th scorer in the team Dirk can pull a Duncan and chill often after 30-32min PT on the bench together with Matt Carroll.
Seriously, 33 is the start of "truly aging" for me. Marion/Dirk/Josh/Jet, thats all prime for me...and 2 more years prime
Kidd doesnt get any slower with 38 than 36 and Dirk is the gummi man anyway and Damp is gone 2010 for a young Sammy.
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07-12-2009, 02:52 PM
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He showed no signs of that last year, 48% from field, 24.7 per 36 minutes, 8 rebounds per 36 minutes, 89% from free throw line, assists slightly down but so were turn overs.
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07-12-2009, 03:19 PM
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The main concern would be Josh's ankles, and how many games he can play. Fortunately, we won't be as dependent on the three guard lineup this time around.
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07-12-2009, 03:23 PM
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you guys are getting my hopes up
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07-12-2009, 03:27 PM
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this thread = jinx 101
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07-12-2009, 03:42 PM
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Come on guys, 1st all-nba team is full of scrubs anyway.
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