Barack Hussein Obama whine thread

[dude1394]

Got to find a place for the whining....

Writes Beth Fouhy:

"McCain says 'Here's my plan, I'm going to drill here, drill now which is something he only came up with two months ago when he started looking at polling," Obama said of McCain's energy policy.

The GOP hopeful has become a vocal proponent of offshore oil drilling as a way to ease U.S. dependence on foreign oil and has criticized Obama for failing to embrace it as a way to help bring down oil prices. Obama noted that McCain had long opposed lifting the moratorium on offshore drilling.

The Illinois senator also criticized McCain's advisers as "the same old folks that brought you George W. Bush. The same team." He noted many had been lobbyists in Washington before McCain asked them to sever all lobbying ties.

Obama added, "They say this other guy is unpatriotic, or this guy likes French people. That's what they said about Kerry," referring to the 2004 Democratic nominee who lost narrowly to Bush. "They try to make it out like Democrats aren't tough enough, aren't macho enough. It's the same strategy."

[Arne]

Race card sighting, race card, race card, oh my god I'm going to start crying... Race card!!! That's so hypocrite.

[dude1394]

Ah...I get it, you thought it was whining. It wasn't it was highlighting his racial campaigning on it's own.

I don't care if he continues to use the race card, it just shows him for what he is. Carry on brotha' obama.

[chumdawg]

Where is the "whine" in the quote you posted?

[mcsluggo]

Chum, you miss the point... this is the Obama whine THREAD.

carry on with the whining.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by mcsluggo

Chum, you miss the point... this is the Obama whine THREAD.

So, no different than MOST threads in the Political Forum?

[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by mcsluggo

Chum, you miss the point... this is the Obama whine THREAD.

carry on with the whining.

You are a fair man. I respect the man who tries to honestly congregate all whining about Barack Obama in one spot so that the rest of the forum may not have to witness the daily beatings of a dead horse.

[dude1394]

Heh...

Democrat Barack Obama challenged his Republican opponent John McCain on Tuesday to stop questioning his "character and patriotism."

[Arne]

Haha, quite funny. Obama bashing McCain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vueHtYNh4w

[dude1394]

Is this the guy you really want in the white house?? Prosecuting an ad that is 100% factual?

We noted here efforts by Barack Obama's campaign to shut down his critics' free speech. In particular, Obama obviously doesn't want the public to know about his long-term, cozy relationship with proud-to-be-a-terrorist Bill Ayers. Now, Obama himself has upped the ante by demanding that the conservative who funded the Ayers ad be criminally prosecuted:

Obama general counsel Bob Bauer today sent a second, sharper letter to the Justice Department, directly attacking the Dallas billionaire funding a harsh attack ad, Harold Simmons.

"We reiterate our request that the Department of Justice fulfill its commitment to take prompt action to investigate and to prosecute the American issues Project, and we further request that the Department of Justice investigate and prosecute Howard (sic) Simmons for a knowing and willful violation of the individual aggregate contribution limits," he wrote.

Obama's suggestion that it is illegal for a 501(c)(4) entity to fund issue ads that are negative toward him appears ludicrous. Here's the real question, though: if Obama is elected President, will he appoint an Attorney General who will carry out politically-motivated prosecutions like the one he is now demanding? I suppose we can't know for sure, but why wouldn't he? If he demands criminal prosecution of free speech that opposes his political interests when he's a candidate, why wouldn't he order it as President?

and a follow-up..
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...e_Simmons.html

It's worth noting that this isn't the first time Bauer has called for criminal investigations and prosecutions into the donors to independent groups critical of Obama, including one supporting John Edwards and another supporting Hillary Rodham Clinton. His words did have the effect of scaring their donors and consultants, but haven't yet appeared to result in any prosecution.

[jefelump]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Is this the guy you really want in the white house?? Prosecuting an ad that is 100% factual?

The video is here

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by jefelump

The video is here

If an ad like that convinces you, you either checked your brain at the door or you don't have one that works normally.

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

If an ad like that convinces you, you either checked your brain at the door or you don't have one that works normally.

uh, find an ad that doesn't fit that sentence, then the sentence might mean something.

[Flacolaco]

That's just a step away from Chavez in Venezuela who had an entire TV channel taken off the air for criticizing his "administration."

[Arne]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

That's just a step away from Chavez in Venezuela who had an entire TV channel taken off the air for criticizing his "administration."

He didn't renew the license for a TV channel that actively participated in an attempted coup d'etat. The channel can still be seen over satelite.

[Usually Lurkin]

uh, it will be called a fairness doctrine.
And get used to it. Obama knows whats fair, and you Texans in Texas will have to deal with it much more than us Texans in California.

[chumdawg]

Convince? No. Form impressions? Yes.

Did you ever hear from the conspiracy theorists that say the US government was actually behind 9/11? Did that move you to research it? Or did you just say, "Oh, here go those crackpots again"?

You can research it if you like, don't get me wrong. But if ads like that one get you to researching things, you aren't going to have a lot of time left to get about your everyday life.

[Arne]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Convince? No. Form impressions? Yes.

Did you ever hear from the conspiracy theorists that say the US government was actually behind 9/11? Did that move you to research it? Or did you just say, "Oh, here go those crackpots again"?

You can research it if you like, don't get me wrong. But if ads like that one get you to researching things, you aren't going to have a lot of time left to get about your everyday life.

Yeah, better believe everything you're fed by the media. Even though they don'T even have the time to research their reports.

Or did you read anywhere that global temperatures are in a decline for the last 10 years? Nope.

[Willstar]

germany loves obama. europe loves obama. if the usa wants more people to hate the usa then go for mccain. (europe loves obama because of his political ideas not the way he looks btw)

[Arne]

Originally Posted by Willstar

germany loves obama. europe loves obama. if the usa wants more people to hate the usa then go for mccain. (europe loves obama because of his political ideas not the way he looks btw)

Which political ideas does Europe love? I live in Europe and I hardly know anybody who can point to a specific policy that they like about Obama, except for leaving Iraq, which he'll compensate for by increasing the troops in Afghanisthan.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Willstar

germany loves obama. europe loves obama. if the usa wants more people to hate the usa then go for mccain. (europe loves obama because of his political ideas not the way he looks btw)

Maybe the best reason I've heard to vote for Mac'08 in a while. I agree, the socialist-leaning europeans do love Barack Hussein Obama for his political ideas AND the other.

[Arne]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Maybe the best reason I've heard to vote for Mac'08 in a while. I agree, the socialist-leaning europeans do love Barack Hussein Obama for his political ideas AND the other.

Once again, Europeans know very very little about his economic policies. All they know is that he wants to leave Iraq. So don't draw any conclusions out of nothing.

[jefelump]

Originally Posted by Arne

Once again, Europeans know very very little about his economic policies. All they know is that he wants to leave Iraq. So don't draw any conclusions out of nothing.

If "all they know is that he wants to leave Iraq", then the Europeans are far more uneducated than the Americans.

So what do Europeans know of his further plans, beyond Iraq? Do Europeans want him to send troops to Afghanistan? To Georgia? To Germany? Back home? Surely the Europeans know more than you allude to. If 200K Germans rallied in the streets for Obama because all they know is that he's removing troops from Iraq, will they still like him when/if the Georgia/Russia problem blows up and he deploys troops in your backyard?

[Arne]

Originally Posted by jefelump

If "all they know is that he wants to leave Iraq", then the Europeans are far more uneducated than the Americans.

So what do Europeans know of his further plans, beyond Iraq? Do Europeans want him to send troops to Afghanistan? To Georgia? To Germany? Back home? Surely the Europeans know more than you allude to. If 200K Germans rallied in the streets for Obama because all they know is that he's removing troops from Iraq, will they still like him when/if the Georgia/Russia problem blows up and he deploys troops in your backyard?

First of all, Europeans are more uneducated about OBAMA. What does the average American know about Guido Westerwelle? Nothing. Thought so.

Then, the 200.000 people might have been a little bit more informed, but it was a really mixed crowd and reactions were not the same throughout the whole speach. When he talked about the war on terror hardly anybody gave applause. When he talked about shutting down Guantanamo there was a really good reaction for example. People were interested first and foremost. Free speech was not an option, people were not allowed to bring their own signs and therefore it must have seemed like everybody loves everything about Obama. Had there been the opportunity to show protest people would've brought their anti-death-penalty signs, their anti-war signs, etc.

[Flacolaco]

So as a logical corollary, do the Europeans feel that if a pull-out deal is negotiated with Iraq before the election, they won't like him nearly as much?

[chumdawg]

Anybody want a piece of Obama right about now?

[DirkFTW]

Why, what happened?

[chumdawg]

He spoke at his convention. You weren't watching?

[Flacolaco]

I was watching Mythbusters.

[Flacolaco]

Oh I'm just sorry I even looked....

“Tonight, more Americans are out of work, and more are working harder for less. More of you have lost your homes, and even more are watching your home values plummet. More of you have cars you can’t afford to drive, credit card bills you can't afford to pay and tuition that’s beyond your reach.”

Fun.

“Tonight, more Americans are out of work, and more are working harder for less.

Like the people who get taxed more because they're working harder? Pretty sure you're only going to exacerbate that problem.

More of you have lost your homes,

It's their fault dumb fault. They bit off more than they can chew.

and even more are watching your home values plummet.

Yeah we are, and it's not Bush's fault, it's the idiots who bought all the ARMs and the bastards who sold them.

More of you have cars you can’t afford to drive,

Maybe you shouldn't have bought it.

credit card bills you can't afford to pay

It's not your fault! You poor besotted humans with your big screen tv's and high interest rates. The Republicans forced you to be stupid!

That's all I think I can read. What a load of dribble. Don't worry America....teach your kids that it's ok to screw up. It's never your fault. Everyone is a victim.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Everyone is a victim.

Liberal religion.

[chumdawg]

You do want a large and healthy economy, don't you? You do want an economy that keeps you in your job and able to pay your mortgage, don't you?

I know you just bought a house and are trying to start a family. I don't expect you would like it if you found yourself out of work, for whatever reason. I sense that you feel pretty insulated from something like that happening to you. What I don't sense is that you have much empathy for what folks in, say, Michigan are going through.

We're talking about national issues, not Flacolaco's life story. I'm not sure you grasp what that means.

[Flacolaco]

I'm not really sure what your point is, chum. Are you asking me if I can see why he said those things? Sure I can see why he said those things. He wants those poor souls in Michigan to vote for him.

The question is what has Obama ever fixed? Does he know how to fix that? He doesn't have any experience. He doesn't have credentials, he doesn't have any skins on the wall. Michigan might want to check out it's democrat governor and it's democrat house of representatives and take a minute to think about the situation.

Why (I take from the tone of your response) are we operating under the assumption that Barrack can help them more than McCain can?

For sure they're in a bad way there, and I agree with you that theirs is a bad situation that perhaps one couldn't insulate themselves from (although look at all the bloody Red Wing fans in Dallas...the smart ones left)...but that doesn't make his words and any more meaningful.

Besides, what about the other 49...sorry, 56 states?

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Why (I take from the tone of your response) are we operating under the assumption that Barrack can help them more than McCain can?

Well, that's the question that we need to answer in this election. But this is a shift for you. You have earlier argued that no one needs any "help," or has any right to it.

What I am saying is that it isn't about Flacolaco who has the good fortune (God bless Texas) of living in a state with a thriving economy. It's about the people in places like Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania who don't enjoy the same economic situation that we enjoy. We could explore why their situation is so different from ours, but that would miss the point.

The point is that we are talking about a national campaign, which includes the Michigans and the Ohios and the Pennsylvanias just as well as it includes Texas. Texas is doing well. What can we do to prop up the others?

That's the fundamental question in this campaign, and it seems to be one that we don't see eye to eye on. You know that it's good for you here--which is great, to be sure--and you thus surmise that it should be great for everyone. But people in other states don't necessarily have the same opportunities that you have. If you had to move to Detroit to enjoy the same standard of life that you enjoy now, would you be okay with that?

I'm just saying...I know it's good for Texans...but it's a national election, and for a lot of other states, it's not so good for the people there.

That is the battleground the election is being waged upon. It can't be simplified into "Texas terms" as you would like for it to be.

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

He spoke at his convention. You weren't watching?

Nah, not really into any of the convention stuff. Sort of circle-jerkish no matter how you conduct them. I am looking forward to the debates though.

I think if Obama were pro-life, I might consider voting for him. I disagree with him about some other things, but I also disagree with McCain about some stuff too. But, abortion is a killer for me.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by DirkFTW

Nah, not really into any of the convention stuff. Sort of circle-jerkish no matter how you conduct them. I am looking forward to the debates though.

I think if Obama were pro-life, I might consider voting for him. I disagree with him about some other things, but I also disagree with McCain about some stuff too. But, abortion is a killer for me.

Abortion is a killer for you because you are comfortable believing that everything will be the same otherwise. Am I right?

What if it's not the same otherwise? What if you had to pay a couple hundred bucks a month to make abortion illegal for the folks besides you, you who would never consider it all because of your beliefs in the sanctity of life and when it starts?

How much would you be willing to be pay to make abortion illegal for everyone besides you, you who already has made a firm decision on the topic? Two hundred bucks? Three hundred bucks? A thousand?

How much? Name a price.

[Flacolaco]

Yeah....watching a speech live has no more value than reading it later. Reading one after the fact is the way I like. Dig into the substance, the meat, the message. That's the good stuff. The delivery counts for exactly d!ck. The content is the one and only thing that's important.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Yeah....watching a speech live has no more value than reading it later. Reading one after the fact is the way I like. Dig into the substance, the meat, the message. That's the good stuff. The delivery counts for exactly d!ck. The content is the one and only thing that's important.

I think you either don't understand much about speechmaking...or you understand a lot. I feel pretty safe in suspecting the former.

There is a difference between a speech and an essay. A very big difference.

Some of this stuff just flabbergasts me. Evidently there are people who have strong opinions about political matters, yet they don't find it important to observe the conventions. That just blows my mind. That is the very real recipe to ending up hoodwinked.

[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Some of this stuff just flabbergasts me. Evidently there are people who have strong opinions about political matters, yet they don't find it important to observe the conventions. That just blows my mind. That is the very real recipe to ending up hoodwinked.

There are NBA fans. And there are those who watch SportsCenter.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

There are NBA fans. And there are those who watch SportsCenter.

Feel you.