12-17-2010, 09:55 AM
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Kevin Martin
I saw a mention of a potential trade at LMF, and thought I'd throw it out here for consideration.
Haywood/Beaubois
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Kevin Martin
Would you do it?
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12-17-2010, 10:18 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kg_veteran
I saw a mention of a potential trade at LMF, and thought I'd throw it out here for consideration.
Haywood/Beaubois
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Kevin Martin
Would you do it?
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That is a high price.
A lot of it depends on what the coaching staff and FO think about Ian's ability to be a legit full time back up.
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12-17-2010, 10:26 AM
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In a heartbeat.
Dear God I wish we could have landed Martin last year.
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12-17-2010, 10:28 AM
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I would make the trade. I won't say it would be easy, but I'd definitely do it.
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12-17-2010, 10:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kg_veteran
I saw a mention of a potential trade at LMF, and thought I'd throw it out here for consideration.
Haywood/Beaubois
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Kevin Martin
Would you do it?
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Just to be clear, this is purely fans throwing stuff against the wall, right?
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ok, we've talked about the problem of evil, and the extent of the atonement's application, but my real question to you is, "Could Jesus dunk?"
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12-17-2010, 10:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sike
Just to be clear, this is purely fans throwing stuff against the wall, right?
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Apparently, there was some mention on Hoopsworld of a potential Haywood/Stevenson for Martin deal (which is a HUGE no-brainer), and then TMavFan asked whether people would do the deal if it was Beaubois instead.
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12-17-2010, 10:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kg_veteran
Apparently, there was some mention on Hoopsworld of a potential Haywood/Stevenson for Martin deal (which is a HUGE no-brainer), and then TMavFan asked whether people would do the deal if it was Beaubois instead.
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Isn't Beaubois' potential ceiling somewhere in Kevin Martin territory?
Talent in the hand is worth 2 in the bank (or something like that) - I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat...
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12-17-2010, 10:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog
Isn't Beaubois' potential ceiling somewhere in Kevin Martin territory?
Talent in the hand is worth 2 in the bank (or something like that) - I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat...
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They're not exactly the same player, but I'd say that's probably true.
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12-17-2010, 10:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kg_veteran
Apparently, there was some mention on Hoopsworld of a potential Haywood/Stevenson for Martin deal (which is a HUGE no-brainer), and then TMavFan asked whether people would do the deal if it was Beaubois instead.
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Fish said it was ingram but I couldn't find it. Fish is trying to confirm.
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12-17-2010, 10:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshJive
Fish said it was ingram but I couldn't find it. Fish is trying to confirm.
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From Fish:
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DONUT 11: Bill Ingram offered up a rumor/report last night about Houston examining Brendan Haywood with the intent of trading Kevin Martin for him. Give me a minute before evaluating such a trade because first I'm going to find somebody at Mavs HQ who could confirm this.
For the moment, I’m sticking with the DB.com exclusive we wrote just before this rumor broke regarding Dallas’ view on trading the admittedly-struggling Big Wood. ... and the Mavs' desire to retain him. But Kevin Martin?
Hmmm. Let me sniff around.
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This may be a rapidly developing thing with Yao's injury. The Mavs would/should be all over this.
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12-17-2010, 10:55 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sike
Just to be clear, this is purely fans throwing stuff against the wall, right?
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So, to get back to this, apparently not!
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12-17-2010, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by kg_veteran
So, to get back to this, apparently not!
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hahaha...good times.
Kidd, Terry, Martin, Butler, Marion, Dirk, Chandler...Terry and Bulter the odd men out to close games?
I'm good with that.
I hate when these kind of rumors get buzzing only to NOT happen.
This trade would literally be like simply adding Kevin Martin to our existing 2010/2011 team.
Roddy hasn't played and Wood can't take minutes from a 3rd string center with almost no experience.
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12-17-2010, 11:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sike
This trade would literally be like simply adding Kevin Martin to our existing 2010/2011 team.
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Bingo.
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12-17-2010, 11:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sike
hahaha...good times.
Kidd, Terry, Martin, Butler, Marion, Dirk, Chandler...Terry and Bulter the odd men out to close games?
I'm good with that.
I hate when these kind of rumors get buzzing only to NOT happen.
This trade would literally be like simply adding Kevin Martin to our existing 2010/2011 team.
Roddy hasn't played and Wood can't take minutes from a 3rd string center with almost no experience.
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Amazing that we have become so center rich that this is true.
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12-17-2010, 10:30 AM
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I think it's pretty easy. Kevin Martin is pretty much exactly this team needs.
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12-17-2010, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jthig32
I think it's pretty easy. Kevin Martin is pretty much exactly this team needs.
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were you saying this at the deadline last season?
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12-17-2010, 10:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sike
were you saying this at the deadline last season?
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Yes
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12-17-2010, 10:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jthig32
I think it's pretty easy. Kevin Martin is pretty much exactly this team needs.
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Yes, he is.
Second scorer? Check. (Easily a 20 ppg guy.)
Extremely efficient? Check. (TS% - .626)
Able to create his own shot and score off the dribble? Check. (USG% - 28.4; FT/G - 8.6; FT% - .907)
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12-17-2010, 10:38 AM
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do it!!!
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12-17-2010, 10:45 AM
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Chandler - Mahinmi
Nowitzki - Marion
Butler - Stevenson
Martin - Terry
Kidd - Barea
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12-17-2010, 10:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kg_veteran
Chandler - Mahinmi
Nowitzki - Marion
Butler - Stevenson
Martin - Terry
Kidd - Barea
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I would (to the surprise of no one) rather see Marion starting next to Martin. And I think Jet would get some or all of the backup PG minutes.
But regardless, any mixture of those players would be fantastic.
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12-17-2010, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jthig32
I would (to the surprise of no one) rather see Marion starting next to Martin. And I think Jet would get some or all of the backup PG minutes.
But regardless, any mixture of those players would be fantastic.
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I banged that out quickly just so that I could think through it, but I agree. Fixed:
Chandler/Mahinmi 48
Nowitzki 36 - Marion 12
Marion 20 - Butler 20 - Stevenson 8
Martin 36 - Terry 12
Kidd 32 - Terry 16
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12-17-2010, 01:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kg_veteran
I banged that out quickly just so that I could think through it, but I agree. Fixed:
Chandler/Mahinmi 48
Nowitzki 36 - Marion 12
Marion 20 - Butler 20 - Stevenson 8
Martin 36 - Terry 12
Kidd 32 - Terry 16
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Hope this is just your ideal rotation. Because you're clinically insane if you think RC will completely remove JJB from the rotation if we get Martin. Marion won't be playing 32 minutes to Butler's 20, either. Quote me now, you can bank on all three of those not happening.
If we did acquire Martin, Marion should definitely start. I think Marion should start now, honestly. Though it's not as big an issue with the way Caron has been playing as of late. Even if we get Martin, I find it highly unlikely that RC starts Marion over Butler.
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12-17-2010, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CadBane
Hope this is just your ideal rotation. Because you're clinically insane if you think RC will completely remove JJB from the rotation if we get Martin. Marion won't be playing 32 minutes to Butler's 20, either. Quote me now, you can bank on all three of those not happening.
If we did acquire Martin, Marion should definitely start. I think Marion should start now, honestly. Though it's not as big an issue with the way Caron has been playing as of late. Even if we get Martin, I find it highly unlikely that RC starts Marion over Butler.
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I know it's fun to hate on Carlisle for playing JJB, but whose minutes do you think JJB is going to eat into? We've already got a logjam at SF, and I'm darn near positive that he's not going to take Kidd's or Terry's minutes below 30 minutes a game. So if you trade for Martin, I'm not sure who JJB will be taking minutes from. If you give Martin, Kidd, and Terry roughly 30 minutes a piece at the two guard spots, that leaves maybe 6 minutes max for JJB. That's not really a rotation player.
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12-17-2010, 10:47 AM
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Did I mention that his middle name is Dallas?
Seems like this deal is meant to be.
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12-17-2010, 10:48 AM
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he's scorers player.He can shoots for three.I want see him in mavericks jersey
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12-17-2010, 10:52 AM
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Fish's stuff on this: http://mavericks.scout.com/2/1032030.html
By Mike Fisher
DallasBasketball.com
Posted Dec 17, 2010
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There is no meeting of the trade-making brains here yet. But we know that Brendan Haywood is on the mind of the center-starved Rockets. And we know that as always, Kevin Martin is on the minds of the “second-star’’-searching Mavs. Two sources with knowledge of the teams’ views tell DallasBasketball.com of the clubs’ so-far independent thinking on the two players.
The first important quote: “(Houston) is definitely looking for help at center.’’
The second important quote: “Yes, (the Mavericks) are Kevin Martin guys.’’
The Rockets’ motivation regarding center help is obvious: Yao Ming’s injuries seem to be leading to the end of his career. Hoopsworld’s Bill Ingram noted that Rockets scouts have been eyeing Haywood as a potential replacement, a view that we’ve confirmed this morning.
Haywood is experiencing an unfortunate early season for Dallas, having lost the starting job to Tyson Chandler and now playing such a limited role that third-stringer Ian Mahinmi is eating into his minutes. It is the Mavs’ position that they want to retain Haywood (as detailed here), who just this summer signed a deal that guarantees him five years and $43 million.
Of course, the Mavs said that before knowing what Houston’s position on Haywood might be … and probably without knowledge of Martin’s potential availability.
Martin, by the way, still doesn’t count as “available’’; while we have two pieces of this – Houston’s interest in Haywood and Dallas’ long-standing interest in Martin – we don’t have the piece that place Martin on the block. (Does Houston really employ enough wings to make a 23-ppg guy expendable?)
But we do know of Dallas’ interest. … or rather, “intense’’ interest, as one source puts it.
The 6-7 shooting guard has long been on the Mavs’ radar; last winter, before pulling the trigger on dealing Josh Howard for Caron Butler, Dallas talked to Sacramento about doing the same thing for Martin. This season, having been dealt to the Rockets, Martin, 27, is scoring 23 points per game.
Martin is 11th in the NBA in scoring and seems to be a legit All-Star candidate. As Ziller of Sactown Royalty notes:
“He's doing it with remarkable efficiency: he's shooting a True Shooting percentage of .631 (second among 20-point scorers), bolstered by 41.9 percent shooting on three-pointers and a league-best 91.8 percent on free throws, of which he takes nine per game, the league's fourth-highest average.’’
Despite Martin’s struggles as a defender, he would arguably qualify as the “Robin’’ to Dirk Nowitzki’s “Batman’’ – a never-ending search in Dallas.
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12-17-2010, 10:53 AM
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Talk about rapidly developing. More from Fish:
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Exclusive: Rox Eye Haywood, Mavs Covet Martin
Story URL: http://mavericks.scout.com/2/1032030.html
Mike Fisher
DallasBasketball.comDec 17, 2010
There is no meeting of the trade-making brains here yet. But we know that Brendan Haywood is on the mind of the center-starved Rockets. And we know that as always, Kevin Martin is on the minds of the “second-star’’-searching Mavs. Two sources with knowledge of the teams’ views tell DallasBasketball.com of the clubs’ so-far independent thinking on the two players.
The first important quote: “(Houston) is definitely looking for help at center.’’
The second important quote: “Yes, (the Mavericks) are Kevin Martin guys.’’
The Rockets’ motivation regarding center help is obvious: Yao Ming’s injuries seem to be leading to the end of his career. Hoopsworld’s Bill Ingram noted that Rockets scouts have been eyeing Haywood as a potential replacement, a view that we’ve confirmed this morning.
Haywood is experiencing an unfortunate early season for Dallas, having lost the starting job to Tyson Chandler and now playing such a limited role that third-stringer Ian Mahinmi is eating into his minutes. It is the Mavs’ position that they want to retain Haywood (as detailed here), who just this summer signed a deal that guarantees him five years and $43 million.
Of course, the Mavs said that before knowing what Houston’s position on Haywood might be … and probably without knowledge of Martin’s potential availability.
Martin, by the way, still doesn’t count as “available’’; while we have two pieces of this – Houston’s interest in Haywood and Dallas’ long-standing interest in Martin – we don’t have the piece that place Martin on the block. (Does Houston really employ enough wings to make a 23-ppg guy expendable?)
But we do know of Dallas’ interest. … or rather, “intense’’ interest, as one source puts it.
The 6-7 shooting guard has long been on the Mavs’ radar; last winter, before pulling the trigger on dealing Josh Howard for Caron Butler, Dallas talked to Sacramento about doing the same thing for Martin. This season, having been dealt to the Rockets, Martin, 27, is scoring 23 points per game.
Martin is 11th in the NBA in scoring and seems to be a legit All-Star candidate. As Ziller of Sactown Royalty notes:
“He's doing it with remarkable efficiency: he's shooting a True Shooting percentage of .631 (second among 20-point scorers), bolstered by 41.9 percent shooting on three-pointers and a league-best 91.8 percent on free throws, of which he takes nine per game, the league's fourth-highest average.’’
Despite Martin’s struggles as a defender, he would arguably qualify as the “Robin’’ to Dirk Nowitzki’s “Batman’’ – a never-ending search in Dallas.
We haven’t yet pieced together what might be on the table because we haven’t confirmed that there have been serious conversations. (Unlike what we know about Dallas’ pursuit of Carmelo Anthony, which – despite what folks in New York and New Jersey believe, and despite the probably pipe-dreamy nature of it – is very real.)
Martin is no ‘Melo. But he might be almost infinitely more attainable.
We know Houston has an intense need. We know the Mavs have an “intense’’ fondness for Martin.
We’ll continue to explore whether there is a match.
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12-17-2010, 10:54 AM
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Looks like it might have legs...
If this happens, we all owe a huge "thank you" to Josh Howard.
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12-17-2010, 10:58 AM
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do it please!!!
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12-17-2010, 11:07 AM
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Wow, this is moving quickly...
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12-17-2010, 11:09 AM
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Wow, this is moving quickly...
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well....
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ok, we've talked about the problem of evil, and the extent of the atonement's application, but my real question to you is, "Could Jesus dunk?"
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12-17-2010, 11:11 AM
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well....
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I meant the info is coming out quickly...
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12-17-2010, 11:14 AM
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I meant the info is coming out quickly...
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I really hope this isn't just smoke...
Martin, in my mind, IS a legit second scorer. Not a "could be some day".
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12-17-2010, 11:12 AM
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Kevin Martin has always had good scoring numbers and percentages, but it haven't seen it translate into team success. His horrible defense might have something to do with that.
I may be wrong, but to me he looks like the ultimate fools gold type.
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12-17-2010, 11:15 AM
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“He's doing it with remarkable efficiency: he's shooting a True Shooting percentage of .631 (second among 20-point scorers), bolstered by 41.9 percent shooting on three-pointers and a league-best 91.8 percent on free throws, of which he takes nine per game, the league's fourth-highest average.’’
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It would almost be unfair to the rest of the league if we paired this guy with Dirk - we'd be unbelievably efficient on offense...
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12-17-2010, 11:22 AM
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LOL at yall thinking the MBT's favorite Puerto Rican player would lose all of his backup PG minutes.
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12-17-2010, 11:26 AM
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Ingram may have got something right? It's a holiday miracle!!
But it's not set in stone that Roddy's the throw in with Wood, right?
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12-17-2010, 11:29 AM
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This trade rumor has given me a stiffy.
I hope to god this goes down.
I'm skeptical of throwing Roddy into the trade. But I would send Haywood/Stevenson straight up for Martin IN A HEARTBEAT.
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12-17-2010, 11:30 AM
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I'm all for Martin in a Mav's Uniform, but lets figure out a way to keep Roddy here.
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