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attention all Music Fans with an opinion...(thats you!)
not looking for a grand thesis and not necessarily a great proof or argument.....just looking for what we do well around here: opinion.
QUESTION: WHAT IS THE GREATEST DEBUT OF TIME? WHY?
make sure to mention the band and the album title....
(AND YOU MAY JUST GIVE US YOUR FAVORITE SONG/S ON THIS DEBUT)
I'm always looking for great music, and I figured my pals here at D-M would have some great opinions!
*****My vote is cast for Led Zeppelin I.
This is without a doubt the most mature (musically) debut I have ever heard.....Zep came in with their sound already at heroic levels as they meshed soulful blues with hard rock.....and just think Plant was only 19.....songs like "You Shook Me" and "I cant quit you baby" and one of my all time favorites "Babe I'm gonna Leave you" show the roots of the band to be founded in pure blues...and then you get blindsided by the likes of "dazed and confused" and "Communication Breakdown"....new bands just are not supposed to be this good.....but leave it to Zep to pave the way.......thats my two cents...what about you?
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01-23-2004, 05:01 PM
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RE: attention all Music Fans with an opinion...(thats you!)
Metallica's Kill Em All...
Very intense and their band had the greatest performances from a bass player that I have ever heard... Along with every other CD they came out with!!!
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Sike, this is completely without research, totally off of the top of my head, I'll post a few others later when I think about it.
I'm going to go with David Bowie's Space Oddity.
The self-titled track is obviously amazing, and has passed into the pop-culture realm of well-known songs. Bowie's voice is amazing, and he does some great guitar work on a lot of the songs. Other highlights are Memories of a Free Festival, Wild Eyed Boy From Freecloud, Cygnet Committee, and Unwashed And Somewhat Slightly Dazed.
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Sike, this is completely without research, totally off of the top of my head, I'll post a few others later when I think about it.
I'm going to go with David Bowie's Space Oddity.
The self-titled track is obviously amazing, and has passed into the pop-culture realm of well-known songs. Bowie's voice is amazing, and he does some great guitar work on a lot of the songs. Other highlights are Memories of a Free Festival, Wild Eyed Boy From Freecloud, Cygnet Committee, and Unwashed And Somewhat Slightly Dazed.
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Was this his debut album? I thought it was that really strange one he had with "bombadier", "little boy blue", "please mr. gravedigger", etc. But possibly this one was released after space oddity.
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Sike, this is completely without research, totally off of the top of my head, I'll post a few others later when I think about it.
I'm going to go with David Bowie's Space Oddity.
The self-titled track is obviously amazing, and has passed into the pop-culture realm of well-known songs. Bowie's voice is amazing, and he does some great guitar work on a lot of the songs. Other highlights are Memories of a Free Festival, Wild Eyed Boy From Freecloud, Cygnet Committee, and Unwashed And Somewhat Slightly Dazed.
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Was this his debut album? I thought it was that really strange one he had with "bombadier", "little boy blue", "please mr. gravedigger", etc. But possibly this one was released after space oddity.
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I just looked it up on AllMusic, and it appears that you might be right. But, as I said, it was "without research." Also, Man of Music (which would later be re-released as Space Oddity) was his US debut. So, take that for what it's worth.
Also, props for bumping a year old thread, this had some good stuff in it.
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08-30-2005, 09:12 AM
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RE:attention all Music Fans with an opinion...(thats you!)
Though I can't disagree with those that feel Led Zep I is the best debut, I'll have to go with...... The Who - "The Who Sings My Generation." This was an explosion of power chords and young man blues 4 years before Zep dropped I. Daltrey's energy when he sings "My Generation," makes this song an anthem for the youth. Keith Moon establishes himself as the most exciting drummer in rock, and Townshend rattles the stun-guitar.
Honorable Mention: Jimi Hendrix - "Are You Experienced?", Stevie Ray Vaughan - "Texas Flood", Pearl Jam - "Ten", The Doors - Self Titled, Counting Crows - "August and Everything After"
Any talk about best debut album also has to include Hootie and the Blowfish - "Cracked Rearview". Say what you will about them, they've always remained true, and every song on this album was solid, most being hits. In fact, it's one of the best selling debut albums of all time.
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08-31-2005, 01:14 PM
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I dont really like nirvana and no they didnt invent grunge as many people act like they did(pearl Jam was before Nirvana in the seatle rock scene) but Nevermind was one of the most popular debut cds ever. I think that the obvious old rock bands Zep, beatles etc are obviously at the top of the list. I am 19 and i listen to these bands though i like the eagles better. Will my kids listen to Linkin Park? I dont know but hybrid theory which was their original name was a great cd that influenced alot of music. It was the first of the rap rock. A genre I generally hate but even metallica was influenced by it. St anger is definately influenced by rap rock which was basically started by LP. Yes it was their debut. They have had 2 1/2 cds and a live album. Hybrid Theory, Re-animated-remixes of songs on hybrid theory, Meteora, and Live from Texas. Not counting their Jayz mash up cd.
A band that no one has mentioned that I think is interesting is Oasis. Is standing on the shoulders of giants their debut? I didnt follow them at the time but it is a great cd if it was their debut. About audioslave I have that cd and i would add cochise and set it off to the list of songs on that cd. BTW music fans listen to a cd called silence by blindside if you get a chance. They are a semi christian band and it is a great cd. Despite their lack of popularity it went triple platinum. The two hits are pitiful and sleepwalking. If you do pm me and let me know what you think. A really good friend of mine is probably their biggest fan and we went and saw them live when they were at the door on aug the 6th. Good live show
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08-31-2005, 01:54 PM
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RE:attention all Music Fans with an opinion...(thats you!)
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Counting Crows - "August and Everything After"
Any talk about best debut album also has to include Hootie and the Blowfish - "Cracked Rearview". Say what you will about them, they've always remained true, and every song on this album was solid, most being hits. In fact, it's one of the best selling debut albums of all time.
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AnMan, I agree, and posted both of these earlier in the thread. good choices.
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RE: attention all Music Fans with an opinion...(thats you!)
Is this limited to Rock?
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RE:attention all Music Fans with an opinion...(thats you!)
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Is this limited to Rock?
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NO NO NO!!!
I welcome all fans of music.....
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01-23-2004, 05:09 PM
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RE: attention all Music Fans with an opinion...(thats you!)
Chaffy sounds like you have a rather eclectic taste in music...pretty cool
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01-23-2004, 11:58 PM
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RE:attention all Music Fans with an opinion...(thats you!)
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Chaffy sounds like you have a rather eclectic taste in music...pretty cool
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Yeah, i'm open to pretty much everything....except country.
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RE: attention all Music Fans with an opinion...(thats you!)
Well I am a fan of MOST types of music.... most notably rock (slight edge to the alternative side...)...
but I think Norah Jones debut album was phenomenal. Want a romantic evening with your significant other? Turn on the fire and pop in "come away with me". Her voice will soothe you.
But back to this thread, I think you should break it down to music type... It would be hard to quantify the greatest of all time unless you make the scope smaller.
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RE: attention all Music Fans with an opinion...(thats you!)
not on the same level as led zeppelin in the grand scheme of things, but two popular debuts that I can think of are: (these definitely aren't he best of all time, but i like them - both good cds, and pretty popular, too, if that matters)
Hootie and the Blowfish - Cracked Rear View
Counting Crows - August and Everything After
u2, norah jones' debut was definitely good. it always bugs me to hear her sing though, and know she doesn't write any of her stuff. she sounds like the perfect singer/songwriter, but she doesn't write. i know a lot of people don't write their own songs, but it came as a big shock when i found out she doesn't.
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not on the same level as led zeppelin in the grand scheme of things, but two popular debuts that I can think of are: (these definitely aren't he best of all time, but i like them - both good cds, and pretty popular, too, if that matters)
Hootie and the Blowfish - Cracked Rear View
Counting Crows - August and Everything After
u2, norah jones' debut was definitely good. it always bugs me to hear her sing though, and know she doesn't write any of her stuff. she sounds like the perfect singer/songwriter, but she doesn't write. i know a lot of people don't write their own songs, but it came as a big shock when i found out she doesn't.
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From a pure "reviews" perspective...it's gotta be Norah Jones.
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RE:attention all Music Fans with an opinion...(thats you!)
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not on the same level as led zeppelin in the grand scheme of things, but two popular debuts that I can think of are: (these definitely aren't he best of all time, but i like them - both good cds, and pretty popular, too, if that matters)
Hootie and the Blowfish - Cracked Rear View
Counting Crows - August and Everything After
u2, norah jones' debut was definitely good. it always bugs me to hear her sing though, and know she doesn't write any of her stuff. she sounds like the perfect singer/songwriter, but she doesn't write. i know a lot of people don't write their own songs, but it came as a big shock when i found out she doesn't.
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Regarding Hootie and them Blowfish:CRV was their first major label release; but was actually a compilation of older songs they had on previous small label releases.
But a great major label debut for sure.
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or I could just expect you to make a hard choice as to which is you favorite... which is what I've done....and you are dead on....Norah's album kicks most modern crap right out the window! I own it!! and I dont buy crap!
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But back to this thread, I think you should break it down to music type... It would be hard to quantify the greatest of all time unless you make the scope smaller.
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RE: attention all Music Fans with an opinion...(thats you!)
Regarding popularity and fame, you have to include Eminem's The Slim Shady LP!
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Regarding popularity and fame, you have to include Eminem's The Slim Shady LP!
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will go down as one of the most original hip hop albums of the 90's.......great selection...dan..uhh dog..
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01-23-2004, 05:49 PM
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Not one of, THE MOST ORIGINAL hip hop album of the 90s...
And there ya go... Good job on the dog stuff!!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
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I said one of the most original, because many would put tupac's stuff right up there....and i am no hip hop brain.....but since you are so sure about Em's place at #1, where do you put Tupac dan/dog???
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Best Rap debut... Eazy-E "Eazy does it"
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I may be wrong, and I do not want to give this band more credit than they deserve, but wasn't hybrid theory Lincon Park's first album. I'm not a huge fan of that style of rock, but that cd was totally awesome for a debut. Not all time, but pretty great for the last decade or so...
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I may be wrong, and I do not want to give this band more credit than they deserve, but wasn't hybrid theory Lincon Park's first album. I'm not a huge fan of that style of rock, but that cd was totally awesome for a debut. Not all time, but pretty great for the last decade or so...
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This was actually the first album that popped into my head when i read your first post. #1 selling album of it's year (2002?)
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Tupac is probably #3 behind Dre
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George Harrison's "All Things Must Pass" is pretty awesome. The quiet Beatle built up a nice repertoire in the late 60's while John and Paul duked it out.
That album and the Stone Roses' self-titled debut are tied for greatest debuts imho.
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That album and the Stone Roses' self-titled debut are tied for greatest debuts imho.
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Just what I was coming here to say.
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That album and the Stone Roses' self-titled debut are tied for greatest debuts imho.
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How could I forget? I wanna be adored.... I am the resurrection....that has got to be the greatest debut album ever.
I think you can close the competition now sike.
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That album and the Stone Roses' self-titled debut are tied for greatest debuts imho.
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How could I forget? I wanna be adored.... I am the resurrection....that has got to be the greatest debut album ever.
I think you can close the competition now sike.
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See we agree on something! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
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The Prodigy, Fatboy Slim, Moby, Metallica, and probably Nine Inch Nails enter my mind with their debuts.
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Any hip hop fan should know that in 1994 when Notorious B.I.G. came out with Juicy, it turned around rap. Ready to Die has to be not only the best debut, but greatest album of all times.
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LOL veruca....
The ending to resurrection.... that is the greatest 4 1/2 - 5 minutes of rock and roll ever produced. And then they do it all again on the next track (although not as strong, IMO), Fools Gold. Then top that off with the other tracks, each with great hooks and rhythm....
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ROCK== Guns N' Roses - Appetite for destruction
HIP HOP == Beastie Boys- Licensed to Ill
RAP == Dre - The Chronic
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ROCK== Guns N' Roses - Appetite for destruction
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Sorry Just211... this competition is over. But thanks for playing.
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Other notable debuts:
DMX - It's Dark and Hell Is Hot (gruff new voice, great lyrics, hot beats. Damien is the highlight)
Bob Dylan - The Free Wheelin' Bob Dylan (what can you say, he's Dylan)
Beck (Major Label debut) - Mellow Gold (what can you say, he's the new Dylan. Loser is the slacker anthem)
Belle & Sebastian - Tigermilk (beautiful stuff)
Sublime - 40 oz. To Freedom (fan-freakin'-tastic. Brad, you left too soon.)
Tori Amos - Little Earthquakes (i sometimes feel like a tool for liking this so much, but it's beautiful music. Crucify, Leather, Me and a Gun, scary good stuff)
The Strokes - Is this it? (not my favorite, but definitely a notable debut, if only for having spawned 8,529 magazine covers claiming The Strokes will save Rock 'n' Roll!)
Audioslave - Audioslave (I don't know how they could possibly live up to the hype, but they did. Like a Stone and I am the Highway are tops here. Great great hard rock album)
The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced? (what can you really say about this one? Jimi being jimi, putting down amazing guitar licks, and an soulful voice. He actually didn't want to sing on the album, because he thought he was a bad singer! The soul of The Wind Cries Mary is breath-taking)
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Other notable debuts:
Bob Dylan - The Free Wheelin' Bob Dylan (what can you say, he's Dylan)
Belle & Sebastian - Tigermilk (beautiful stuff)
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"Tigermilk"....sigh....reminds me of an old girlfriend [img]i/expressions/brokenheart.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
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oh. well i look kinda stupid.
at least i hurt your feelings at the same time that you hurt mine.[img]i/expressions/devil.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
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Really? reminds me of lame indie clubs...lame indie clubs and cardigans.
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Thanks for playing Saltwater... but the competition is over.
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A few debuts I like:
Portishead- Dummy (basically invented Trip Hop)
Tricky- Maxinequaye (Perfect but all down hill for Tricky from here)
DJ Shadow- Entroducing......(hip hop is better without all that rappin)
Eric B and Rakim- Paid in Full (Eric B kicks the crap out of Eminem as does U2's pick Eazy E)
Public Enemy- It Takes a Nation of Millions (Flavor Flav rules and Chuck D kicks the crap out of Eminem again)
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